Eagles, DeSean Jackson agree on 5-year contract

[Chadman]

Originally Posted by RuthlessBurgher [URL="http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=501870#post501870"][/URL]
The Eagles paid their big play receiver this year (Jackson), knowing that they're also due to pay their steady, all-around receiver next year (Maclin).

Folks here don't seem to think that is possible for us with Wallace and Brown.



1) You don't know whether they will re-sign Maclin. He gets injured a lot. Just your conjecture as opinion.

Originally Posted by NJ-STEELER [URL="http://www.planetsteelers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=501879#post501879"][/URL]
why would brown garner a contract even approaching that kind of money?



See above. You want to give Wallace that kind of contract? You don't think Brown will want the same if he does it 2 years in a row like Wallace?

Fight conjecture with conjecture?

Your 2nd point actually should be the decider for everyone on the argument. Wallace has performed for 3 years. Proven commodity. Brown has performed for half a season. We're still waiting to see if he can back it up.

Yet you are willing to let the proven player go because the unproven one might want the same amount of money?

[BigRob]

Fight conjecture with conjecture?

Your 2nd point actually should be the decider for everyone on the argument. Wallace has performed for 3 years. Proven commodity. Brown has performed for half a season. We're still waiting to see if he can back it up.

Yet you are willing to let the proven player go because the unproven one might want the same amount of money?

See the question mark at the end? It was an honest question. You don't think Brown will want the same? You don't think a team will go out on a limb and offer that up if he performs again?

[BigRob]

Not saying let Wallace go. I would take a first round pick for him.

Preference is to play with both of them this year and offer the one you think is better long term the #1 wide receiver money. No one said "let" Wallace go. Get compensation for him or play with him on the tender this year.

[Chadman]

Answer honestly- would you rather the 1st round pick this year, or Wallace on the tender amount?

[BigRob]

Honestly, I think we are a better team in 2012 with Wallace and Brown than with an extra 1st Round pick in 2012. However, 2013 and going forward I would say it could go either way.

The real question is can the Steelers go into 2013 with their #1, #2, #3 wide receiver all UFA or RFA? I don't think they want to contemplate that. That is why I think they will offer a long term deal to either Wallace or Brown this summer with Brown being the one more likely to sign at this point for a more reasonable contract.

We will not go into next off season with our three best receivers UFA or RFA (This is conjecture by the way).

[Chadman]

See the question mark at the end? It was an honest question. You don't think Brown will want the same? You don't think a team will go out on a limb and offer that up if he performs again?

Absolutely they will. IF he performs again.

Thing is- what if Brown tanks this season? What if he drops every second pass his way & he proves to be nothing more than a piggy-backer to Wallace? (Not saying he is- just playing the conjecture game).

If you let Wallace go now (even if you get this shiny 1st round pick), and he continues to rack up 1400 yard 14 TD seasons, on the priviso that we'll 'never afford both Wallace & Brown', and Brown doesn't end up being 'all that'- what are you left with?

Bird in the hand BigRob, bird in the hand.

Wallace is a proven NFL WR, with 3 years of solid to very good results to his name. Brown has half a season's success.

[steelz09]

Answer honestly- would you rather the 1st round pick this year, or Wallace on the tender amount?

Preferences in order:
1) Sign Wallace this year and Brown next
2) Lose Wallace this year but receive another 1st rounder
3) Keep Wallace one more year and but lose him next year

[BigRob]

Absolutely they will. IF he performs again.

Thing is- what if Brown tanks this season? What if he drops every second pass his way & he proves to be nothing more than a piggy-backer to Wallace? (Not saying he is- just playing the conjecture game).

If you let Wallace go now (even if you get this shiny 1st round pick), and he continues to rack up 1400 yard 14 TD seasons, on the priviso that we'll 'never afford both Wallace & Brown', and Brown doesn't end up being 'all that'- what are you left with?

Bird in the hand BigRob, bird in the hand.

Wallace is a proven NFL WR, with 3 years of solid to very good results to his name. Brown has half a season's success.

I think saying half a season of success is a little overly dramatic, but he is not yet a total known quantity. However, the Steelers will not and cannot pay Wallace what the WR market is bearing right now. Therefore, It is my conjecture that Brown will be signed to a long term deal at a reasonable rate this summer or training camp.

[costanza2k1]

.... If they want to keep Wallace and Brown they will do it. Money will not be an object. Never has when it comes to re-signing the players they want to keep.

BINGO! This is exactly what I was thinking.

[Slapstick]

If you let Wallace go now (even if you get this shiny 1st round pick), and he continues to rack up 1400 yard 14 TD seasons, on the priviso that we'll 'never afford both Wallace & Brown', and Brown doesn't end up being 'all that'- what are you left with?

Talk about conjecture!

Doesn't Wallace need to first produce a 1400 yard 14 TD season before he can continue to do so?

Personally, I think the Steelers will sign both Wallace and Brown (depending upon his performance in the 2012 season) to long-term deals. While I agree that it goes against what would normally be considered the Steelers' philosophy and cap structure, the fact is that the NFL is now a passing league. You need a franchise QB and you need legitimate weapons...

Many thought that the Steelers would need to choose between Lawrence Timmons and LaMarr Woodley because James Harrison already had a big contract...they didn't have to because they signed both...

Now, the Steelers are up against the cap and that may cause some difficulty, but I strongly believe that it will be done..

[ikestops85]

I think saying half a season of success is a little overly dramatic, but he is not yet a total known quantity. However, the Steelers will not and cannot pay Wallace what the WR market is bearing right now. Therefore, It is my conjecture that Brown will be signed to a long term deal at a reasonable rate this summer or training camp.

What makes anybody think Brown will sign a long term deal right now at a reasonable rate? Don't you think he is ready to gamble that he will have a very good year and strike the mother lode? The guy is young, talented, a hard worker and not a diva like many of the good wide receivers these days so would you sign for Garcon money when you might get Jackson money next year? I wouldn't.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

Well guys...Everyone is talking about this big contract and how the Steelers could afford to pay Wallace this. The contracts are eye candy. Look good on paper. How bad of a deal would it be if I told you that D Jackson's cap number in 2012 is 3 mil and 2013 is 9 mil? So let's just say for the sake of argument that is Wallace's contract if you want to retain AB in 2013. Even if you stick the same contract on AB the two account for 12 mil in 2013. 2014 is new salary cap bump with TV money. In theory, the could keep these two together for 3 years and afford it. After the 2014 season, Wallace will be 29 by season start and Brown will be 27. You can take it from there. If Wallace's production isn't there, they can trade or release him and only be stuck with 3-4 mil. If he is still on the top of his game, the restructure / extend will help get his cap number down just like we have seen in the past. If the Steelers want both...They will make it work financially.

[RuthlessBurgher]

If he blows up again this season?

He hasn't truly blown up yet.

His 69 catches were 28th in the league last year.
His 1108 yards were 15th in the league last year.
His 2 receiving touchdowns were 107th in the league last year.

Those numbers don't demand a blockbuster contract.
These numbers, however, do:

2009: 39-756-19.4-6
2010: 60-1257-21.0-10
2011: 72-1193-16.6-8

Those numbers are on par with the first 3 seasons of Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald's careers.

Wallace: 171-3206-18.7-24
Calvin: 193-3071-15.9-21
Andre: 208-2806-13.5-12
Fitz: 230-3135-13.6-24

Wallace may have the fewest receptions of the four after their first 3 years in the league, but he still has more receiving yardage than any of them (a significantly higher YPC average than any of them will do that), and he is tied for the most TD's through 3 seasons with Fitz.

[Oviedo]

He hasn't truly blown up yet.

His 69 catches were 28th in the league last year.
His 1108 yards were 15th in the league last year.
His 2 receiving touchdowns were 107th in the league last year.

Those numbers don't demand a blockbuster contract.
These numbers, however, do:

2009: 39-756-19.4-6
2010: 60-1257-21.0-10
2011: 72-1193-16.6-8

Those numbers are on par with the first 3 seasons of Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald's careers.

Wallace: 171-3206-18.7-24
Calvin: 193-3071-15.9-21
Andre: 208-2806-13.5-12
Fitz: 230-3135-13.6-24

Wallace may have the fewest receptions of the four after their first 3 years in the league, but he still has more receiving yardage than any of them (a significantly higher YPC average than any of them will do that), and he is tied for the most TD's through 3 seasons with Fitz.

You make a strong argument. Just need to find someone who has the balance in the check book to write the check.

[BigRob]

He hasn't truly blown up yet.

His 69 catches were 28th in the league last year.
His 1108 yards were 15th in the league last year.
His 2 receiving touchdowns were 107th in the league last year.

Those numbers don't demand a blockbuster contract.
These numbers, however, do:

What were Wallaces' rankings this year. You conveniently left this out. Your also discounting Brown's contribution to special teams.

Since when is going from 16 for 167 to 69 for 1108 not blowing up? Brown seems to be on the same arc as Wallace.

What will you say when Brown eclipses Wallace this year? It happened the second half of the year. Don't give me that coverage bull crap. Wallace was seeing the same type of coverages from game one.