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Actually, Foote will likely be an upgrade on 2011 version of James Farrior.


And it will allow the Steelers to focus their higher picks on other areas of need while drafting a prospect in the mid-rounds to learn behind Foote & Timmons.

I would hope Foote is no more than a 5-6 game placeholder for a rookie. He is not the answer.

Ovi, some people just dont get it. There were people actually thinking Farrior would be the starter next year. Now they have switched to Foote. Different smell, same stench.

ILB is now priority number 1. We either move up to get Kuechly (in a Troy Polamalu move), or we stand pat to get Hightower.

And entering year 3, we still dont know if Stevenson Sylvester can cut it. No more mid to late round guys.

Why wouldn't people think Farrior or Foote would stick around for one more year since we don't know if Sylvester can cut it?

Do you really think Hightower will get a ton of playing time his first year if we draft him?

[Slapstick]

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We know less about if Dont'a Hightower can cut it than we do about Stevenson Sylvester.

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Even before theses releases, the 2 biggest positions of need were NG and ILB.

I can see Hightower starting as the season goes along. He's the real deal.

There are bound to be some FA's that we'll bring in, so it should get interesting...

[Dee Dub]

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Actually, Foote will likely be an upgrade on 2011 version of James Farrior.


And it will allow the Steelers to focus their higher picks on other areas of need while drafting a prospect in the mid-rounds to learn behind Foote & Timmons.

I would hope Foote is no more than a 5-6 game placeholder for a rookie. He is not the answer.

Ovi, some people just dont get it. There were people actually thinking Farrior would be the starter next year. Now they have switched to Foote. Different smell, same stench.

ILB is now priority number 1. We either move up to get Kuechly (in a Troy Polamalu move), or we stand pat to get Hightower.

And entering year 3, we still dont know if Stevenson Sylvester can cut it. No more mid to late round guys.

Why wouldn't people think Farrior or Foote would stick around for one more year since we don't know if Sylvester can cut it?

Do you really think Hightower will get a ton of playing time his first year if we draft him?

You are just trying to stir it up and get a rise out of me. I've got like 4 threads of Hightower and why I think he is the best pick for the Steelers and you ask this?

Let's count the reasons.

Farrior:
play last year dropped significantly to where he was actually hurting the team.
He would nearly 38 years old at the start of next season.
Steelers were way over the salary cap
Cutting him saved money towards that cap.

Foote:
Over the past couple of years has become no more than a gap filler
Liability in run support (gets driven back at the point of attack constantly).

Hightower has excelled already in a 3-4 zone blitz. He knows the system. Why wouldnt he come in and be able to start from day one? The reason for past rookies on defense not starting or contributing in year one was the acclamation to the 3-4. He doesnt have that problem.

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Actually, Foote will likely be an upgrade on 2011 version of James Farrior.


And it will allow the Steelers to focus their higher picks on other areas of need while drafting a prospect in the mid-rounds to learn behind Foote & Timmons.

I would hope Foote is no more than a 5-6 game placeholder for a rookie. He is not the answer.

The answer to what? We have 3 top tier linebackers. Foote fits in well with them. He is a solid player that knows the system. Let's look at some areas that we have holes in before we try and improve an area where we are already strong.

Solid? Are you kidding me? Solid is not getting blown backwards at the point of attack on a consistent basis.

How are the Steelers strong at the most important LB'er position on the team with Larry Foote and Stevenson Sylvester? I dont get it.

Sorry but Foote rarely got blown backwards at the point of attack. The guy is a good solid LBer and has a couple of years left in him. He is much more proven than any rookie who hasn't played a down in the NFL is.

[Dee Dub]

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We know less about if Dont'a Hightower can cut it than we do about Stevenson Sylvester.

Not so. Sylvester was a 4-3 weak side LB coming to the Steelers. He has struggled learning the 3-4 zone blitz and change of position and base defense.

Hightower has already cut it in a 3-4 zone blitz. And he is a far greater talent than that of Mr. Sylvester. See their rankings in their respective drafts.

[Dee Dub]

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Actually, Foote will likely be an upgrade on 2011 version of James Farrior.


And it will allow the Steelers to focus their higher picks on other areas of need while drafting a prospect in the mid-rounds to learn behind Foote & Timmons.

I would hope Foote is no more than a 5-6 game placeholder for a rookie. He is not the answer.

The answer to what? We have 3 top tier linebackers. Foote fits in well with them. He is a solid player that knows the system. Let's look at some areas that we have holes in before we try and improve an area where we are already strong.

Solid? Are you kidding me? Solid is not getting blown backwards at the point of attack on a consistent basis.

How are the Steelers strong at the most important LB'er position on the team with Larry Foote and Stevenson Sylvester? I dont get it.

Sorry but Foote rarely got blown backwards at the point of attack. The guy is a good solid LBer and has a couple of years left in him. He is much more proven than any rookie who hasn't played a down in the NFL is.

Funny..I guess we watch different games. So you are saying that Larry Foote is a big time run stuffer? Because to say he rarely gets blown backwards would indicate at the point of attack (versus guards and centers in the NFL), he is consistently stout?

You know that isnt true.

And when you say proven, is that just because he is on am NFL roster? He is a back ILB. What does that mean?

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[quote=Dee Dub]

Actually, Foote will likely be an upgrade on 2011 version of James Farrior.


And it will allow the Steelers to focus their higher picks on other areas of need while drafting a prospect in the mid-rounds to learn behind Foote & Timmons.

I would hope Foote is no more than a 5-6 game placeholder for a rookie. He is not the answer.

Ovi, some people just dont get it. There were people actually thinking Farrior would be the starter next year. Now they have switched to Foote. Different smell, same stench.

ILB is now priority number 1. We either move up to get Kuechly (in a Troy Polamalu move), or we stand pat to get Hightower.

And entering year 3, we still dont know if Stevenson Sylvester can cut it. No more mid to late round guys.

Why wouldn't people think Farrior or Foote would stick around for one more year since we don't know if Sylvester can cut it?

Do you really think Hightower will get a ton of playing time his first year if we draft him?

You are just trying to stir it up and get a rise out of me. I've got like 4 threads of Hightower and why I think he is the best pick for the Steelers and you ask this?

Let's count the reasons.

Farrior:
play last year dropped significantly to where he was actually hurting the team.
He would nearly 38 years old at the start of next season.
Steelers were way over the salary cap
Cutting him saved money towards that cap.

Foote:
Over the past couple of years has become no more than a gap filler
Liability in run support (gets driven back at the point of attack constantly).

Hightower has excelled already in a 3-4 zone blitz. He knows the system. Why wouldnt he come in and be able to start from day one? The reason for past rookies on defense not starting or contributing in year one was the acclamation to the 3-4. He doesnt have that problem.[/quote:1wenjy2v]

There is a learning curve in a system change. I would say the bigger reason for rookies not starting is the speed of the game and the complicated schemes in the NFL. College isn't NFL and Success in college doesn't translate to the NFL. We all know this and the risks involved in the draft because of that. Alot of weight is put on the all star games because that is as close as they get to seeing them play with NFL talent. That all being said, I think Hightower makes the transition well. I think depending where he goes he will start at some point in 2012. If Foote & Timmons are on this roster, I don't see any reason why he wouldn't get a helmet and be part of the rotation out of camp. He will need to grow on the field. I think it would happen and he may break the starting lineup by mid season. You hear the phrase "Paralysis by Analysis" and if you have to think on this level...Even the best athletes are a step late. When that is over...They can just play. I think the risk is pretty low that Hightower won't see the field. I also think the odds are pretty good he will unseat Foote before mid season.

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[quote=Dee Dub]

Actually, Foote will likely be an upgrade on 2011 version of James Farrior.


And it will allow the Steelers to focus their higher picks on other areas of need while drafting a prospect in the mid-rounds to learn behind Foote & Timmons.

I would hope Foote is no more than a 5-6 game placeholder for a rookie. He is not the answer.

Ovi, some people just dont get it. There were people actually thinking Farrior would be the starter next year. Now they have switched to Foote. Different smell, same stench.

ILB is now priority number 1. We either move up to get Kuechly (in a Troy Polamalu move), or we stand pat to get Hightower.

And entering year 3, we still dont know if Stevenson Sylvester can cut it. No more mid to late round guys.

Why wouldn't people think Farrior or Foote would stick around for one more year since we don't know if Sylvester can cut it?

Do you really think Hightower will get a ton of playing time his first year if we draft him?

You are just trying to stir it up and get a rise out of me. I've got like 4 threads of Hightower and why I think he is the best pick for the Steelers and you ask this?

Let's count the reasons.

Farrior:
play last year dropped significantly to where he was actually hurting the team.
He would nearly 38 years old at the start of next season.
Steelers were way over the salary cap
Cutting him saved money towards that cap.

Foote:
Over the past couple of years has become no more than a gap filler
Liability in run support (gets driven back at the point of attack constantly).

Hightower has excelled already in a 3-4 zone blitz. He knows the system. Why wouldnt he come in and be able to start from day one? The reason for past rookies on defense not starting or contributing in year one was the acclamation to the 3-4. He doesnt have that problem.[/quote:sensme8z]

I think the terminology and size of the playbook holds more players back than the transition from 4-3 to 3-4.

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[quote=Dee Dub]

Actually, Foote will likely be an upgrade on 2011 version of James Farrior.


And it will allow the Steelers to focus their higher picks on other areas of need while drafting a prospect in the mid-rounds to learn behind Foote & Timmons.

I would hope Foote is no more than a 5-6 game placeholder for a rookie. He is not the answer.

Ovi, some people just dont get it. There were people actually thinking Farrior would be the starter next year. Now they have switched to Foote. Different smell, same stench.

ILB is now priority number 1. We either move up to get Kuechly (in a Troy Polamalu move), or we stand pat to get Hightower.

And entering year 3, we still dont know if Stevenson Sylvester can cut it. No more mid to late round guys.

Why wouldn't people think Farrior or Foote would stick around for one more year since we don't know if Sylvester can cut it?

Do you really think Hightower will get a ton of playing time his first year if we draft him?

You are just trying to stir it up and get a rise out of me. I've got like 4 threads of Hightower and why I think he is the best pick for the Steelers and you ask this?

Let's count the reasons.

Farrior:
play last year dropped significantly to where he was actually hurting the team.
He would nearly 38 years old at the start of next season.
Steelers were way over the salary cap
Cutting him saved money towards that cap.

Foote:
Over the past couple of years has become no more than a gap filler
Liability in run support (gets driven back at the point of attack constantly).

Hightower has excelled already in a 3-4 zone blitz. He knows the system. Why wouldnt he come in and be able to start from day one? The reason for past rookies on defense not starting or contributing in year one was the acclamation to the 3-4. He doesnt have that problem.[/quote:21u2pjw1]

You had me at "excel at 3-4 zone blitz!"

Too bad LeBeau has forgotten how to blitz his inside LBs.

[Dee Dub]

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There is a learning curve in a system change.

It is nearly the same system from what Saban runs to what Lebeau runs. Terminolgy may be different but the systems are nearly the same.

I would say the bigger reason for rookies not starting is the speed of the game and the complicated schemes in the NFL. College isn't NFL and Success in college doesn't translate to the NFL.

Not true. Ever year there are rookies who come in and tear it up on defense in year one league wide.

Von Miller
Patrick Peterson
Aldon Smith
J.J Watt
Ndamukong Suh
Jason Pierre-Paul
Eric Berry
Joe Haden
B.J. Raji
Brian Orakpo
Brian Cushing
Clay Matthews
James Laurinaitis
Jarious Bryd
Chris Long
Jared Mayo
Patrick Willis
Darrelle Rivas
Jon Beason
Curtis Lofton
DeMeco Ryans


This is just to name a few off the top of my head.

Eliminate the idea that 3-4 zone blitz is too complicated for a rookie to get for one who already has excelled at it in college, and there shouldn't be any reason why Hightower can't come in and start from day one. If given an honest chance to do so.

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I think the terminology and size of the playbook holds more players back than the transition from 4-3 to 3-4.

Really? Then why did all these guys not have a problem learning their playbook and terminology in their first NFL training camps?

Von Miller
Patrick Peterson
Aldon Smith
J.J Watt
Ndamukong Suh
Jason Pierre-Paul
Eric Berry
Joe Haden
B.J. Raji
Brian Orakpo
Brian Cushing
Clay Matthews
James Laurinaitis
Jarious Bryd
Chris Long
Jared Mayo
Patrick Willis
Darrelle Rivas
Jon Beason
Curtis Lofton
DeMeco Ryans

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We know less about if Dont'a Hightower can cut it than we do about Stevenson Sylvester.

Not so. Sylvester was a 4-3 weak side LB coming to the Steelers. He has struggled learning the 3-4 zone blitz and change of position and base defense.

Hightower has already cut it in a 3-4 zone blitz. And he is a far greater talent than that of Mr. Sylvester. See their rankings in their respective drafts.

Ranking, schmankings...

You act as if there is no such thing as a draft bust...

Sylvester has already made the team and has actually played in the NFL...

Now, you can think as highly of Hightower as you want...watching him, I think he would be a good fit with the Steelers...

But, neither of us knows anything...

[Dee Dub]

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We know less about if Dont'a Hightower can cut it than we do about Stevenson Sylvester.

Not so. Sylvester was a 4-3 weak side LB coming to the Steelers. He has struggled learning the 3-4 zone blitz and change of position and base defense.

Hightower has already cut it in a 3-4 zone blitz. And he is a far greater talent than that of Mr. Sylvester. See their rankings in their respective drafts.

Ranking, schmankings...

You act as if there is no such thing as a draft bust...

Sylvester has already made the team and has actually played in the NFL...

Now, you can think as highly of Hightower as you want...watching him, I think he would be a good fit with the Steelers...

But, neither of us knows anything...

Well if you wanna go on record as saying Hightower will be a bust then say it. I like to believe he is going to be an above average football player and quite possibly a star in the NFL.

If it's a case of you being afraid of the whole possible bust thing with all college football players then why draft anyone?

Sylvester still has not proven anything. Or actually he has..at this time he still isnt ready. He is on the roster only because they "think" he may pan out one day. So far going into year 3 he hasnt.

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I think the terminology and size of the playbook holds more players back than the transition from 4-3 to 3-4.

Really? Then why did all these guys not have a problem learning their playbook and terminology in their first NFL training camps?

Von Miller
Patrick Peterson
Aldon Smith
J.J Watt
Ndamukong Suh
Jason Pierre-Paul
Eric Berry
Joe Haden
B.J. Raji
Brian Orakpo
Brian Cushing
Clay Matthews
James Laurinaitis
Jarious Bryd
Chris Long
Jared Mayo
Patrick Willis
Darrelle Rivas
Jon Beason
Curtis Lofton
DeMeco Ryans

How many of these players had to learn Lebeau's playbook?

I never said rookies can't come in and dominate their first year... we've seen plenty of players on our offense come in and have an impact. It's the D where it's rarely if ever happened in the first year.

Hopefully we tweaked the DC as well and get these young guys on the field early but history shows that's not usually the case.