Football Coach Too Abrasive?

[sd steel]

Am I reading this correctly? We have people in this forum who are actually getting down on the Steelers new OC because why? He's too tough? He holds his players to a standard and doesn't give in and kiss up to primadonna millionaire athletes. Do you think Lombardi was abrasive? How about Noll?

The new era of the NFL is filled with players who are just happy being in the NFL and collecting the huge pay checks. They don't want anyone "bossing" them around. Well I played alot of football, and although I remember coaches who were tough, and abrasive and who called you out when you didn't execute, and you know what we called them??

Football coaches! Sounds to me like Haley doesn't kiss butt and doesn't give players a pass when they fail. Basically sounds just the opposite of Arians.

If you want to call Haley names for being a butthole, being abrasive, and not being best friends with the players, then call him what he is, an old school football coach. Probably learned it from Noll when he was a ball boy for the Steelers. Players earn respect by executing as the coach requires.

Anyone who doesn't understand that probably hasn't played football.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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Anyone who doesn't understand that probably hasn't played football.

Like Haley?

*sorry...had to...*

[aggiebones]

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Playing pro ball is not a pre-requisite for understanding the game.

Haley has played more or the same ball than 99% on this board. Yet, he understands more than 99.99%.

Of course, I'm the .01% that knows more....before someone else claims it.

All this BS that he's abrasive or too much of an Ahole is all fabricated or brought about by people like TO.

He doesn't cater to prima donnas that much is true.

Now people are getting their panties in a wad over Ben clashing with him.

But Ben is such a competitor that I think they will get along well. Ben is not still struggling through his baby phase as a player. He's maturing unlike players like TO.


Don't worry, the guy has the offensive mind that we want since the BA dismissal.

[grotonsteel]

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Am I reading this correctly? We have people in this forum who are actually getting down on the Steelers new OC because why? He's too tough? He holds his players to a standard and doesn't give in and kiss up to primadonna millionaire athletes. Do you think Lombardi was abrasive? How about Noll?

The new era of the NFL is filled with players who are just happy being in the NFL and collecting the huge pay checks. They don't want anyone "bossing" them around. Well I played alot of football, and although I remember coaches who were tough, and abrasive and who called you out when you didn't execute, and you know what we called them??

Football coaches! Sounds to me like Haley doesn't kiss butt and doesn't give players a pass when they fail. Basically sounds just the opposite of Arians.

If you want to call Haley names for being a butthole, being abrasive, and not being best friends with the players, then call him what he is, an old school football coach. Probably learned it from Noll when he was a ball boy for the Steelers. Players earn respect by executing as the coach requires.

Anyone who doesn't understand that probably hasn't played football.

Going by that yardstick Tomlin and Dick lebeau are not football coaches i guess. I don't see Tomlin or Dick lebeau calling people out on sidelines.


These are professional football players not some high school players. You wanna give it to a player do it in practice and training camp. Be tough there. I don't want OC getting into a shoving match with players on the sideline. If you don't earn players respect well only person leaving the organization is so called football coach not the players.

I like the fact Todd Haley is not adamant on Run..which is a positive step i think. I will believe in Steelers FO and i believe Todd Haley will call more pass plays on first down and in Red Zone. Enough of the crap run for the sake of running the ball.

I will give it a year to Todd haley before commenting on him.

[grotonsteel]

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Anyone who doesn't understand that probably hasn't played football.

Like Haley?

*sorry...had to...*

[williar]

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I am excited about the hire. I hope Haley is exactly as advertised because that is just what the doctor ordered for this team. Coaches need to coach and not French-kiss their players and tell them how beautiful they look. I can't wait because I finally want to see what a real NFL offense looks like....

Blow up the three stooges baby!!

[feltdizz]

Re: Football Coach Too Abrasive?

Am I reading this correctly? We have people in this forum who are actually getting down on the Steelers new OC because why? He's too tough? He holds his players to a standard and doesn't give in and kiss up to primadonna millionaire athletes. Do you think Lombardi was abrasive? How about Noll?

The new era of the NFL is filled with players who are just happy being in the NFL and collecting the huge pay checks. They don't want anyone "bossing" them around. Well I played alot of football, and although I remember coaches who were tough, and abrasive and who called you out when you didn't execute, and you know what we called them??

Football coaches! Sounds to me like Haley doesn't kiss butt and doesn't give players a pass when they fail. Basically sounds just the opposite of Arians.

If you want to call Haley names for being a butthole, being abrasive, and not being best friends with the players, then call him what he is, an old school football coach. Probably learned it from Noll when he was a ball boy for the Steelers. Players earn respect by executing as the coach requires.

Anyone who doesn't understand that probably hasn't played football.

Going by that yardstick Tomlin and bad word lebeau are not football coaches i guess. I don't see Tomlin or bad word lebeau calling people out on sidelines.


These are professional football players not some high school players. You wanna give it to a player do it in practice and training camp. Be tough there. I don't want OC getting into a shoving match with players on the sideline. If you don't earn players respect well only person leaving the organization is so called football coach not the players.

I like the fact Todd Haley is not adamant on Run..which is a positive step i think. I will believe in Steelers FO and i believe Todd Haley will call more pass plays on first down and in Red Zone. Enough of the crap run for the sake of running the ball.

I will give it a year to Todd haley before commenting on him.

Maybe that's what Tomlin brought him in for...

There more than one way to coach...

I would look at who the shouting matches were with before drawing the conclusion that it's the only way he knows how to coach.

How many times have you seen our players talk back to a coach?

[Mister Pittsburgh]

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Am I reading this correctly? We have people in this forum who are actually getting down on the Steelers new OC because why? He's too tough? He holds his players to a standard and doesn't give in and kiss up to primadonna millionaire athletes. Do you think Lombardi was abrasive? How about Noll?

The new era of the NFL is filled with players who are just happy being in the NFL and collecting the huge pay checks. They don't want anyone "bossing" them around. Well I played alot of football, and although I remember coaches who were tough, and abrasive and who called you out when you didn't execute, and you know what we called them??

Football coaches! Sounds to me like Haley doesn't kiss butt and doesn't give players a pass when they fail. Basically sounds just the opposite of Arians.

If you want to call Haley names for being a butthole, being abrasive, and not being best friends with the players, then call him what he is, an old school football coach. Probably learned it from Noll when he was a ball boy for the Steelers. Players earn respect by executing as the coach requires.

Anyone who doesn't understand that probably hasn't played football.

Going by that yardstick Tomlin and bad word lebeau are not football coaches i guess. I don't see Tomlin or bad word lebeau calling people out on sidelines.


These are professional football players not some high school players. You wanna give it to a player do it in practice and training camp. Be tough there. I don't want OC getting into a shoving match with players on the sideline. If you don't earn players respect well only person leaving the organization is so called football coach not the players.

I like the fact Todd Haley is not adamant on Run..which is a positive step i think. I will believe in Steelers FO and i believe Todd Haley will call more pass plays on first down and in Red Zone. Enough of the crap run for the sake of running the ball.

I will give it a year to Todd haley before commenting on him.

I have seen both Tomlin and Lebeau get in players faces and say things in their ears. Anyone remember Dick Lebeau's reaction to Anthony Smith acting a fool? What does Tomlin say into the ear of players coming off the field after doing something stupid? Nobody knows. So the Haley wears his emotions on his sleeve. I would rather deal with someone like that then someone that gives me nothing back.

[focosteeler]

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[quote=Mister Pittsburgh]

Am I reading this correctly? We have people in this forum who are actually getting down on the Steelers new OC because why? He's too tough? He holds his players to a standard and doesn't give in and kiss up to primadonna millionaire athletes. Do you think Lombardi was abrasive? How about Noll?

The new era of the NFL is filled with players who are just happy being in the NFL and collecting the huge pay checks. They don't want anyone "bossing" them around. Well I played alot of football, and although I remember coaches who were tough, and abrasive and who called you out when you didn't execute, and you know what we called them??

Football coaches! Sounds to me like Haley doesn't kiss butt and doesn't give players a pass when they fail. Basically sounds just the opposite of Arians.

If you want to call Haley names for being a butthole, being abrasive, and not being best friends with the players, then call him what he is, an old school football coach. Probably learned it from Noll when he was a ball boy for the Steelers. Players earn respect by executing as the coach requires.

Anyone who doesn't understand that probably hasn't played football.

Going by that yardstick Tomlin and bad word lebeau are not football coaches i guess. I don't see Tomlin or bad word lebeau calling people out on sidelines.


These are professional football players not some high school players. You wanna give it to a player do it in practice and training camp. Be tough there. I don't want OC getting into a shoving match with players on the sideline. If you don't earn players respect well only person leaving the organization is so called football coach not the players.

I like the fact Todd Haley is not adamant on Run..which is a positive step i think. I will believe in Steelers FO and i believe Todd Haley will call more pass plays on first down and in Red Zone. Enough of the crap run for the sake of running the ball.

I will give it a year to Todd haley before commenting on him.

I have seen both Tomlin and Lebeau get in players faces and say things in their ears. Anyone remember bad word Lebeau's reaction to Anthony Smith acting a fool? What does Tomlin say into the ear of players coming off the field after doing something stupid? Nobody knows. So the Haley wears his emotions on his sleeve. I would rather deal with someone like that then someone that gives me nothing back.[/quote:3vg80v16]



I seem to remember Tomlin getting in Pouncey's face after a personal foul or something last year. People have different styles of dealing with things. Tomlin knows what players respond to what, maybe he will send Haley after some guys. He might actually work well with some players on our team who respond well to direct in your face criticism.

[sd steel]

Re: Football Coach Too Abrasive?

Am I reading this correctly? We have people in this forum who are actually getting down on the Steelers new OC because why? He's too tough? He holds his players to a standard and doesn't give in and kiss up to primadonna millionaire athletes. Do you think Lombardi was abrasive? How about Noll?

The new era of the NFL is filled with players who are just happy being in the NFL and collecting the huge pay checks. They don't want anyone "bossing" them around. Well I played alot of football, and although I remember coaches who were tough, and abrasive and who called you out when you didn't execute, and you know what we called them??

Football coaches! Sounds to me like Haley doesn't kiss butt and doesn't give players a pass when they fail. Basically sounds just the opposite of Arians.

If you want to call Haley names for being a butthole, being abrasive, and not being best friends with the players, then call him what he is, an old school football coach. Probably learned it from Noll when he was a ball boy for the Steelers. Players earn respect by executing as the coach requires.

Anyone who doesn't understand that probably hasn't played football.

Going by that yardstick Tomlin and bad word lebeau are not football coaches i guess. I don't see Tomlin or bad word lebeau calling people out on sidelines.
These are professional football players not some high school players. You wanna give it to a player do it in practice and training camp. Be tough there. I don't want OC getting into a shoving match with players on the sideline. If you don't earn players respect well only person leaving the organization is so called football coach not the players.

I like the fact Todd Haley is not adamant on Run..which is a positive step i think. I will believe in Steelers FO and i believe Todd Haley will call more pass plays on first down and in Red Zone. Enough of the crap run for the sake of running the ball.

I will give it a year to Todd haley before commenting on him.

Maybe they don't have to call players out because the Steelers draft players who don't question criticism. Professional players need to be held accountable more than Highscholl players....they are getting payed to play. When Mike Singletary called out Vernon Davis on the sidelines and sent him to the lockerroom what effect did it have on Davis? In his own words it made him grow up and made him realize that the game is not about him, it's about the team. He is a better player now because of it.

[Dee Dub]

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For someone who claims to know football or have played it how come they are having a hard time understanding what the issue is with Haley? It isnt case of him being abrasive. He is this way because there is a disconnect between him and some of his players. Why is there a disconnect? I think it is pretty obvious.

Sd Steel you played football right? And never had a problem with a coach being abrasive, right? Well let me throw this at you..did you ever have an abrasive coach who coached you who had never played the game of football?

Ya see the difference?

I am the one who brought up the never played issue, but I am now on record as saying I am ok with the hire and I will support what the organization has done. Let's move on.

[steelblood]

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For someone who claims to know football or have played it how come they are having a hard time understanding what the issue is with Haley? It isnt case of him being abrasive. He is this way because there is a disconnect between him and some of his players. Why is there a disconnect? I think it is pretty obvious.

Sd Steel you played football right? And never had a problem with a coach being abrasive, right? Well let me throw this at you..did you ever have an abrasive coach who coached you who had never played the game of football?

Ya see the difference?

I am the one who brought up the never played issue, but I am now on record as saying I am ok with the hire and I will support what the organization has done. Let's move on.

Why change your opinion? You were totally against this guy and now it is okay? Heck, you even make more arguments for a possible disconnect in the same thread as your endorsement.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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When Haley was growing up, while his high school classmates were having two-a-day practices, he spent time in Latrobe with his father, staying in the dorms at Steeler training camp among the likes of Bradshaw, Franco, Lambert, Greene, etc. If you had this opportunity, would you give it up to play high school ball instead? As summer high school football practices continued, he would go with his father on three week scouting trips that doubled as family vacations. He spent endless hours breaking down film of college and pro players with his father. What he gained from spending time with his father and the Steelers as a kid seems to be much more important than what he would have gained on a high school gridiron when it comes to what makes him a better coach today.

Chiefs' Haley only NFL coach who never played

Associated Press

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Until now, it was like one of those little family secrets that everybody knows about but no one brings up.

Might be embarrassing. People wouldn't understand. Doesn't matter anyway, so why say anything?

But then a disgruntled Kansas City running back got on Twitter and blindsided his boss squarely on the rawest of nerves, calling him out on a point he sort of hoped would be ignored.

The Chiefs' Todd Haley, for reasons that were not entirely his fault, never actually played the sport that now employs him as a head coach in the National Football League.

An NFL head coach who did not play football? Who hasn't run a route, made a tackle or thrown a block at any level?

At least Haley, 42, is unique. He is the only head coach in the league who never played at least in high school.

Many of the top coaches did not have distinguished careers as players. But only Haley's playing resume is bare. Does it matter?

"Unfortunately, some NFL players will look at their coach and if he's not in that fraternity of ex-players, sometimes they might let it affect the way they look at him," said Tim Grunhard, a former Chiefs center who coaches at a large area high school. "I think that's a big mistake. A lot of outstanding NFL coaches never played much at all. From everything I've seen of Todd Haley, he's going to be a great head coach."

Running back Larry Johnson, who has a troubled history, got the controversy started when he posted a Twitter feed, littered with misspellings, following last Sunday's 37-7 loss to San Diego:

"My father played for the coach from "rememeber the titans. Our coach played golf. My father played for redskins briefley. Our coach. Nuthn. my father got more creditentials than most of these pro coaches.....google my father!!!!!!!"

He went on to make a gay slur, then got himself in even deeper trouble by repeating it the next day. An apologetic Johnson is now appealing a two-week suspension that could cost him more than $600,000.

But Haley was left standing in front of microphones and television cameras, forced to talk about something some fans find especially disturbing because the Chiefs, in his first year as a head coach, are 1-6 heading in their bye.

Of course, they were only 2-14 last year under Herm Edwards, a star cornerback for the Philadelphia Eagles in the Super Bowl.

Quietly and with a sense of dignity and humility, Haley defended himself.

"I'm very proud of what I've done to get to where I am," he said. "I'm very proud of my results as a position coach, as a coordinator. Right now, am I proud of my head coaching record? No. But I intend to do everything I can to change that."

For Haley to be taking these hits seems profoundly ironic because he grew up a football gym rat, immersed in the sport like few kids ever were. His father, Dick Haley, has been renowned for decades as one of the NFL's top personnel men. While Dick Haley was helping build the Pittsburgh dynasty of the 1970s, Todd would spend summers at Steelers training camp. He roomed next to Terry Bradshaw, ran errands for Franco Harris and Jack Lambert, and drank it all in.

In countless quiet hours with the lights in the house turned down, Todd sat there while his dad broke down film of college and pro players. The elder Haley would point out subtle nuances, things that only an expert eye would see, teaching his son, in the words of Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, "the difference between good and great."

When August would roll around and Todd's buddies were starting high school football practice, Dick Haley would pack up everyone and turn three-week scouting trips into a family vacation. He was on the road so much during the school year, he wanted to grab all the family time he could.

"Todd was into football always. The way we lived, it was different, that's all," Dick Haley told The Associated Press. "I thought it was more important to come with me than to stay at home and go to high school football practice. And he would be in training camp with me before that. Whether that's right or wrong, that's what I thought. That was me dictating. When you're 14 or 15 years old, you're going to do what your folks tell you."

Plus, the athletic youngster had fallen in love with golf, and was good enough to play at Miami and Florida in college.

"Todd was 6-2, about 210 pounds. Certainly, he could have played football," said his father.

For a while, the younger Haley coached golf. But in 1995, when he was 27, he took an entry-level job with the New York Jets as a scouting assistant and offensive assistant, and four years later was wide receivers coach under Bill Parcells.

Thus began a rapid rise through the ranks, culminating in last year's Super Bowl, where he served the Arizona Cardinals in his second season as offensive coordinator.

When Pioli was hired by the Chiefs, he chose Haley to be the head coach to help him repair a damaged franchise that hasn't won a postseason game since the 1993 season and won only six times in Edwards' final two years.

It may be tough for the talent-starved 2009 Chiefs to win more than a few games. But if the Chiefs do start winning, suggested one former NFL star, Haley's background will mean nothing.

"Players tend to look for excuses when they mess up," said former Pro Bowl lineman Conrad Dobler. "If they're losing, they might say, 'This guy can't possibly know how we feel.'

"But if they're winning, it won't matter if he never played before. Hell, it won't matter if he never coached before. I doubt that Todd Haley could have worked for Bill Parcells if he didn't know what he was doing."

None of the Chiefs players asked about their coach's background said it mattered a bit.

"There's not a man in this locker room who questions his qualifications," said wide receiver Bobby Wade.

Nevertheless, until his team finds success, it will probably remain a sensitive subject for the only NFL head coach who never played.

"I'm very proud of the route that I took to get to where I am right now," Haley said. "I'm very proud to have grown up around, in my opinion, one of the best football people there is, and to be around the teams and players that I was around on a daily basis.

"I think I've earned what I've done in the NFL through hard work and through execution and results. If playing is a prerequisite for being a great coach, you can eliminate some names."

Copyright 2009 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

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[feltdizz]

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For someone who claims to know football or have played it how come they are having a hard time understanding what the issue is with Haley? It isnt case of him being abrasive. He is this way because there is a disconnect between him and some of his players. Why is there a disconnect? I think it is pretty obvious.

Sd Steel you played football right? And never had a problem with a coach being abrasive, right? Well let me throw this at you..did you ever have an abrasive coach who coached you who had never played the game of football?

Ya see the difference?

I am the one who brought up the never played issue, but I am now on record as saying I am ok with the hire and I will support what the organization has done. Let's move on.

WTF are you talking about...

Any player who uses "he never played" sounds tissue soft IMO. Take the ear beating and do your job better next time.

Is the tone different, do the words cut more from a coach who never played? I can almost hear a player crying while saying "..and he never played, he just doesn't know how hard these guys hit"

I had a pure azzzzhole as my HS coach... but he knew the game and had a hell of a track record. I NEVER EVER thought he couldn't relate because he never played...

I just thought he was an arrogant azzzhole... but I never questioned his basketball knowledge because he didn't play.

[Dee Dub]

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For someone who claims to know football or have played it how come they are having a hard time understanding what the issue is with Haley? It isnt case of him being abrasive. He is this way because there is a disconnect between him and some of his players. Why is there a disconnect? I think it is pretty obvious.

Sd Steel you played football right? And never had a problem with a coach being abrasive, right? Well let me throw this at you..did you ever have an abrasive coach who coached you who had never played the game of football?

Ya see the difference?

I am the one who brought up the never played issue, but I am now on record as saying I am ok with the hire and I will support what the organization has done. Let's move on.

Why change your opinion? You were totally against this guy and now it is okay? Heck, you even make more arguments for a possible disconnect in the same thread as your endorsement.

Here is what I had to say about this in a previous post...

I know this may raise a few eyes brows since I am the one who has been pushing the whole "he never played football thing", but I am actually cool with it.

It's like our President. He may not be the one I wanted but now that he is our Commander in Chief, I feel it is my duty as an American to support him. Same with the Steelers.

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..I'm not gonna sit here and argue this all off-season. I trust the Steelers and will give them the benefit of the doubt.