**EDIT: Todd Haley has been hired as the OC

[RuthlessBurgher]

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While Haley wasn't my personal preference because of the douche factor, I trust that an informed, thorough decision was made, and I look forward to seeing the results at this point. After all, when Zeirlein was underperforming, Tomlin replaced him with Kuglar, and our o-line improved. When Ligashesky was underperforming, Tomlin replaced him with Everest, and our special teams improved. When Horton left to become the D.C. in Arizona (I think we can all now agree that our DB's were underperforming under his watch), Tomlin replaced him with Lake, and our secondary improved. When Arians was underperforming, Tomlin replaced him with Haley, and now we get to see how much our offense improves.

[Mister Pittsburgh]

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I am happy with the hiring and glad we can get on with the offseason. This will be one of the most interesting Steelers offseasons I can remember for a while.

[mazze]

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Regarding the 5 receiver set, he uses it as much if not more than Arians.

Honest question, please show me proof where Haley while as OC has consistently used 5 WR sets.

Insanesteelerfan are you back in disguise?

Go back and watch the SB again, it's full of 4 and 5 wr sets. I know people think he's going to bring back the power running game, but his record shows somethihg different. He had a 62%-38% run to pass ratio in 07 and 66%-34% ratio in 2008. He actually throws the ball more than Arians.

[sd steel]

Re: **EDIT: Todd Haley has been hired as the OC

Regarding the 5 receiver set, he uses it as much if not more than Arians.

Honest question, please show me proof where Haley while as OC has consistently used 5 WR sets.

Insanesteelerfan are you back in disguise?

Go back and watch the SB again, it's full of 4 and 5 wr sets. I know people think he's going to bring back the power running game, but his record shows somethihg different. He had a 62%-38% run to pass ratio in 07 and 66%-34% ratio in 2008. He actually throws the ball more than Arians.

He is the OC. It will be dictated to him by Tomlin and Rooney what they want out run to pass ratio to look like, instead of letting Ben dictate it. I'm excited to see Ben improve and this offense take off with Haley.

[Chadman]

Re: **EDIT: Todd Haley has been hired as the OC

Regarding the 5 receiver set, he uses it as much if not more than Arians.

Honest question, please show me proof where Haley while as OC has consistently used 5 WR sets.

Insanesteelerfan are you back in disguise?

Go back and watch the SB again, it's full of 4 and 5 wr sets. I know people think he's going to bring back the power running game, but his record shows somethihg different. He had a 62%-38% run to pass ratio in 07 and 66%-34% ratio in 2008. He actually throws the ball more than Arians.

Are we conveniently forgetting the success of the Chiefs running game during Haley's tenure?

Well, at least we know that there will be at least one good topic of conversation brought up every couple of days from here on out- the "Fire Haley" topic line should start up in 3....2.....1....

[mazze]

Re: **EDIT: Todd Haley has been hired as the OC

Regarding the 5 receiver set, he uses it as much if not more than Arians.

Honest question, please show me proof where Haley while as OC has consistently used 5 WR sets.

Insanesteelerfan are you back in disguise?

Go back and watch the SB again, it's full of 4 and 5 wr sets. I know people think he's going to bring back the power running game, but his record shows somethihg different. He had a 62%-38% run to pass ratio in 07 and 66%-34% ratio in 2008. He actually throws the ball more than Arians.

Are we conveniently forgetting the success of the Chiefs running game during Haley's tenure?

Well, at least we know that there will be at least one good topic of conversation brought up every couple of days from here on out- the "Fire Haley" topic line should start up in 3....2.....1....

Not at all, but the only great year they had Weiss was the OC. THey also have a RB that's significantly better than anyone we've had in several years. In 2009 they avg all of 7-8 more yards a game than the Steelers and in 2011 they were actually worse. Granted they had major injury issues this year, but you're making him out to be something he's not.

[StarSpangledSteeler]

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While Haley wasn't my personal preference because of the douche factor, I trust that an informed, thorough decision was made, and I look forward to seeing the results at this point. After all, when Zeirlein was underperforming, Tomlin replaced him with Kuglar, and our o-line improved. When Ligashesky was underperforming, Tomlin replaced him with Everest, and our special teams improved. When Horton left to become the D.C. in Arizona (I think we can all now agree that our DB's were underperforming under his watch), Tomlin replaced him with Lake, and our secondary improved. When Arians was underperforming, Tomlin replaced him with Haley, and now we get to see how much our offense improves.

Excellent points. One of the disadvantages of hiring a first time coach is he doesn't have a lot of experience scouting assistants. Tomlin did not put together a great staff initially but he is getting better at this. I have to believe the Rooneys are "advising" or at least "helping" him a bit on this second round of hirings.

[flippy]

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Welcome Coach Comet.

[Steelerphile]

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While Haley wasn't my personal preference because of the douche factor, I trust that an informed, thorough decision was made, and I look forward to seeing the results at this point. After all, when Zeirlein was underperforming, Tomlin replaced him with Kuglar, and our o-line improved. When Ligashesky was underperforming, Tomlin replaced him with Everest, and our special teams improved. When Horton left to become the D.C. in Arizona (I think we can all now agree that our DB's were underperforming under his watch), Tomlin replaced him with Lake, and our secondary improved. When Arians was underperforming, Tomlin replaced him with Haley, and now we get to see how much our offense improves.

Excellent points. One of the disadvantages of hiring a first time coach is he doesn't have a lot of experience scouting assistants. Tomlin did not put together a great staff initially but he is getting better at this. I have to believe the Rooneys are "advising" or at least "helping" him a bit on this second round of hirings.

I doubt the Rooneys are advising Tomlin on which coaches to hire. Rooney takes an opportunity to say he doesn't like a particular facet of the team, but I doubt he feels that he knows the coaching talent around the league well enough to direct which ones to hire.

[steelblood]

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What is this "go back and watch the Super Bowl crap"? Of course he used 4 WR sets. Our DBs were the weakest part of our defense. What was he supposed to do, come out with 3 TEs and try to run against the 2008 Steelers? That would have been stupid and I wouldn't want that coordinator.

[mazze]

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What is this "go back and watch the Super Bowl crap"? Of course he used 4 WR sets. Our DBs were the weakest part of our defense. What was he supposed to do, come out with 3 TEs and try to run against the 2008 Steelers? That would have been stupid and I wouldn't want that coordinator.

It's an easy point of reference. If you need further evidence 3 1,000 yard receivers and a running game that averaged less than 80 YPG should be enough.

[Slapstick]

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It's an easy point of reference. If you need further evidence 3 1,000 yard receivers and a running game that averaged less than 80 YPG should be enough.

And you know, I was thinking...

It's too bad that the Cardinals didn't try to run the ball more in that SB...they totally would have won...

[phillyesq]

Re: **EDIT: Todd Haley has been hired as the OC

While Haley wasn't my personal preference because of the douche factor, I trust that an informed, thorough decision was made, and I look forward to seeing the results at this point. After all, when Zeirlein was underperforming, Tomlin replaced him with Kuglar, and our o-line improved. When Ligashesky was underperforming, Tomlin replaced him with Everest, and our special teams improved. When Horton left to become the D.C. in Arizona (I think we can all now agree that our DB's were underperforming under his watch), Tomlin replaced him with Lake, and our secondary improved. When Arians was underperforming, Tomlin replaced him with Haley, and now we get to see how much our offense improves.

I generally agree, Ruthless. He wasn't my first choice as OC because of his personality, which adds a degree of risk to this hire. However, I trust the Steelers FO. They've made mistakes before, but if Haley doesn't work out, they can look at Wilson or Fitchner down the road if they are still around. With the Giants, we saw how an in-your-face coach could win the SB (his second), so there is no reason to think that Haley can't lead the offense where it needs to go.

[pittpete]

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go back and watch the Super Bowl

1 game does not prove that Haley consistently uses 5 WR sets
Everyone knew the way to try and beat the Steelers defense was to spread them out and throw.
You said

Regarding the 5 receiver set, he uses it as much if not more than Arians

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3 1000 yd recievers is also not proof that he used 5 WR sets.
When people talk out of thier @ss I like to see evidence backing it up.

[phillyesq]

Re: **EDIT: Todd Haley has been hired as the OC

Regarding the 5 receiver set, he uses it as much if not more than Arians.

Honest question, please show me proof where Haley while as OC has consistently used 5 WR sets.

Insanesteelerfan are you back in disguise?

Go back and watch the SB again, it's full of 4 and 5 wr sets. I know people think he's going to bring back the power running game, but his record shows somethihg different. He had a 62%-38% run to pass ratio in 07 and 66%-34% ratio in 2008. He actually throws the ball more than Arians.

I think the offenses that he's been involved with have been tailored to the personnel that he has.

In Arizona, they had very good receivers and a rejuvenated Kurt Warner. At RB, they had a broken down Edgerrin James. Spreading it out and throwning the ball made sense with those personnel.

In KC, despite a big money QB and one pretty decent WR, they pounded the ball because they had a solid stable of backs, including an explosive Jamaal Charles.

In Pittsburgh, I'm expecting to see a more balanced offense from Haley.