Todd Haley at South Side

[Mister Pittsburgh]

Re: Todd Haley at South Side

have generals in todays military really gone out in the field and done what they are direct the troops to do? i design civil engineering projects for a living, send the plans out the door, and the projects get built even though I have never run a backhoe or a bulldozer or anything. I don't think you have to have lined up and run a slant pattern to have great mind for strategy and that is truly all being an offensive coordinator is, a strategist.

[feltdizz]

Re: Todd Haley at South Side

have generals in todays military really gone out in the field and done what they are direct the troops to do? i design civil engineering projects for a living, send the plans out the door, and the projects get built even though I have never run a backhoe or a bulldozer or anything. I don't think you have to have lined up and run a slant pattern to have great mind for strategy and that is truly all being an offensive coordinator is, a strategist.

[Shawn]

Re: Todd Haley at South Side

Belichick isn't a players coach, nor is he a players psychiatrist. He is rough, anti-social, gruff but he knows football. It's his way or the highway. Where do we get the idea that a coach needs to be a fluffy bunny filled with rose colored kisses and rainbows? I want a guy who knows football. Haley is a guy who has proven he can coach. That means much to me. Too many question marks surrounding the other two candidates.

Well I for one am not saying that...but I do think the coach and player have to have a connection as far as having played the game before.

Would you want me to operate on you Shawn even though I went to school to be a doctor or read a book about it yet having never actually operated on anyone?

That is just a really bad analogy on multiple levels.

[Oviedo]

Re: Todd Haley at South Side

have generals in todays military really gone out in the field and done what they are direct the troops to do? i design civil engineering projects for a living, send the plans out the door, and the projects get built even though I have never run a backhoe or a bulldozer or anything. I don't think you have to have lined up and run a slant pattern to have great mind for strategy and that is truly all being an offensive coordinator is, a strategist.

Speaking from experience the answer is yes. Every general starts out as a 2nd Lt (in some cases as an enlisted private) and they go through a very defined set of assignments both in tactical units and on staffs. As platoon leaders they essentially have to know how to do everything their soldiers do and they actually do it when in the field...everything from basic marksmenship to clearing an enemy position.

Officers do not come in the military and apply for the head startegist job. That is years of preparation. Every officer is told don't ask your men to do what you are unwilling to do.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

Re: Todd Haley at South Side

have generals in todays military really gone out in the field and done what they are direct the troops to do? i design civil engineering projects for a living, send the plans out the door, and the projects get built even though I have never run a backhoe or a bulldozer or anything. I don't think you have to have lined up and run a slant pattern to have great mind for strategy and that is truly all being an offensive coordinator is, a strategist.

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I have to wonder if there are some folks out there who would be brilliant OC's, but who will never get the chance because "they never played the game."

[Snatch98]

Re: Todd Haley at South Side

have generals in todays military really gone out in the field and done what they are direct the troops to do? i design civil engineering projects for a living, send the plans out the door, and the projects get built even though I have never run a backhoe or a bulldozer or anything. I don't think you have to have lined up and run a slant pattern to have great mind for strategy and that is truly all being an offensive coordinator is, a strategist.

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I have to wonder if there are some folks out there who would be brilliant OC's, but who will never get the chance because "they never played the game."

I certainly don't think so. A good football mind is a good football mind and that goes for anything no matter the subject. Hell i read Moneyball quite some time ago and it's all about building a team on a budget based solely on a set number of statistics. You either have it figured out or you don't and the guys that have it figured out get interviews whether they've played the game or not. I could care less if a coach was an all american at position XYZ if he's not a good coach.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

Re: Todd Haley at South Side

have generals in todays military really gone out in the field and done what they are direct the troops to do? i design civil engineering projects for a living, send the plans out the door, and the projects get built even though I have never run a backhoe or a bulldozer or anything. I don't think you have to have lined up and run a slant pattern to have great mind for strategy and that is truly all being an offensive coordinator is, a strategist.

$$$$$$$$
I have to wonder if there are some folks out there who would be brilliant OC's, but who will never get the chance because "they never played the game."

I certainly don't think so. A good football mind is a good football mind and that goes for anything no matter the subject. Hell i read Moneyball quite some time ago and it's all about building a team on a budget based solely on a set number of statistics. You either have it figured out or you don't and the guys that have it figured out get interviews whether they've played the game or not. I could care less if a coach was an all american at position XYZ if he's not a good coach.

And I'll bet Tomlin would agree with you....I can't see him making his hire based upon the candidate's playing experience or lack thereof.

[Northern_Blitz]

Re: Todd Haley at South Side

Would you want me to operate on you Shawn even though I went to school to be a doctor or read a book about it yet having never actually operated on anyone?

I think it's more like Haley is an MBA and we're hiring him to run the Hospital. He's a guy that will be the boss of doctors, but has never been a doctor himself.

Coaching and playing require different skill sets. Doesn't mean that a guy who never played can't coach...doesn't mean he can.

I think his success/failure as a coach is way more important than whether or not he played before.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Todd Haley at South Side

Belichick isn't a players coach, nor is he a players psychiatrist. He is rough, anti-social, gruff but he knows football. It's his way or the highway. Where do we get the idea that a coach needs to be a fluffy bunny filled with rose colored kisses and rainbows? I want a guy who knows football. Haley is a guy who has proven he can coach. That means much to me. Too many question marks surrounding the other two candidates.

Well I for one am not saying that...but I do think the coach and player have to have a connection as far as having played the game before.

Would you want me to operate on you Shawn even though I went to school to be a doctor or read a book about it yet having never actually operated on anyone?

That is just a really bad analogy on multiple levels.

Ok so I get it...you wouldn't want me operating on you since I had no experience at doing it even though I had graduated from Med School and had been taught how to be a surgeon by experts.

Got it.

[feltdizz]

Re: Todd Haley at South Side

[quote=Dee Dub]

Belichick isn't a players coach, nor is he a players psychiatrist. He is rough, anti-social, gruff but he knows football. It's his way or the highway. Where do we get the idea that a coach needs to be a fluffy bunny filled with rose colored kisses and rainbows? I want a guy who knows football. Haley is a guy who has proven he can coach. That means much to me. Too many question marks surrounding the other two candidates.

Well I for one am not saying that...but I do think the coach and player have to have a connection as far as having played the game before.

Would you want me to operate on you Shawn even though I went to school to be a doctor or read a book about it yet having never actually operated on anyone?

That is just a really bad analogy on multiple levels.

Ok so I get it...you wouldn't want me operating on you since I had no experience at doing it even though I had graduated from Med School and had been taught how to be a surgeon by experts.

Got it. [/quote:9u84mm84]

That is just a really bad analogy on multiple levels.

[Shawn]

Re: Todd Haley at South Side

[quote=feltdizz]

Belichick isn't a players coach, nor is he a players psychiatrist. He is rough, anti-social, gruff but he knows football. It's his way or the highway. Where do we get the idea that a coach needs to be a fluffy bunny filled with rose colored kisses and rainbows? I want a guy who knows football. Haley is a guy who has proven he can coach. That means much to me. Too many question marks surrounding the other two candidates.

Well I for one am not saying that...but I do think the coach and player have to have a connection as far as having played the game before.

Would you want me to operate on you Shawn even though I went to school to be a doctor or read a book about it yet having never actually operated on anyone?

That is just a really bad analogy on multiple levels.

Ok so I get it...you wouldn't want me operating on you since I had no experience at doing it even though I had graduated from Med School and had been taught how to be a surgeon by experts.

Got it.

That is just a really bad analogy on multiple levels.[/quote:2et47wzy]



Thank you Dizz. I didn't want to have to repeat myself.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Todd Haley at South Side

I can make the surgeon analogy work!

Playing pee wee or high school football as a kid is about a relevant to what makes somebody a successful NFL coach as experience playing this as a kid:



makes someone a successful surgeon.

[feltdizz]

Re: Todd Haley at South Side

I can make the surgeon analogy work!

Playing pee wee or high school football as a kid is about a relevant to what makes somebody a successful NFL coach as experience playing this as a kid:



makes someone a successful surgeon.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Todd Haley at South Side

I can make the surgeon analogy work!

Playing pee wee or high school football as a kid is about a relevant to what makes somebody a successful NFL coach as experience playing this as a kid:



makes someone a successful surgeon.

No this doesnt work. Haley didnt play pee wee football or high school football. Never ever of any kind.

[feltdizz]

Re: Todd Haley at South Side

I can make the surgeon analogy work!

Playing pee wee or high school football as a kid is about a relevant to what makes somebody a successful NFL coach as experience playing this as a kid:



makes someone a successful surgeon.

No this doesnt work. Haley didnt play pee wee football or high school football. Never ever of any kind.