Todd Haley at South Side

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Todd Haley interviews with Steelers

Posted by Mike Florio on January 31, 2012



Apparently, Steelers coach Mike Tomlin learned enough about Todd Haley while doing homework on the former Chiefs coach to decide to learn even more about him during a face-to-face meeting.

The Steelers announced on the team’s official website that Tomlin interviewed Haley on Tuesday at the practice facility in Pittsburgh.

There’s some scuttlebutt in media circles that Tomlin and the Steelers are considering Haley as a courtesy, given that his father played for the Steelers in the 1960s and thereafter worked in the team’s front office. Todd Haley once served as a Steelers ball boy. Even if the Steelers aren’t interested in hiring Haley, interviewing him — and declaring that they have done so via the team’s website — could help him generate interest elsewhere.

Haley’s name has been mentioned in connection with the Jets and the Cardinals. Though his contract with Kansas City ran through 2012, the Chiefs reportedly have cut off his payments. If that’s true, he has plenty of reasons (possibly several million) to be looking for a job.

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[Shawn]

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Im not saying we shouldnt hire Haley based solely on not ever actually playing the game. He obviously has a lot of experience COACHING which is what we would be hiring him to do NOT play OLB. But...if he has never walked the walk it may affect how players relate to him and how quiickly they buy in to his game plan. Think of it this way....would you readily accept someone training you in your job if they have never done it?

Now I can see some merit here. With that said, that is still a player issue. And it's Tomlin's job to reign that in. At the end of the day, the players are paid to play and not to analyze the coaching resumes of potential candidates. And I believe most will trust the process, and dive into a new playbook without second thought. Why? Because they are professionals.

[Mister Pittsburgh]

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Todd Haley interviews with Steelers

Posted by Mike Florio on January 31, 2012



Apparently, Steelers coach Mike Tomlin learned enough about Todd Haley while doing homework on the former Chiefs coach to decide to learn even more about him during a face-to-face meeting.

The Steelers announced on the team’s official website that Tomlin interviewed Haley on Tuesday at the practice facility in Pittsburgh.

There’s some scuttlebutt in media circles that Tomlin and the Steelers are considering Haley as a courtesy, given that his father played for the Steelers in the 1960s and thereafter worked in the team’s front office. Todd Haley once served as a Steelers ball boy. Even if the Steelers aren’t interested in hiring Haley, interviewing him — and declaring that they have done so via the team’s website — could help him generate interest elsewhere.

Haley’s name has been mentioned in connection with the Jets and the Cardinals. Though his contract with Kansas City ran through 2012, the Chiefs reportedly have cut off his payments. If that’s true, he has plenty of reasons (possibly several million) to be looking for a job.

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I have really grown to hate the media the past couple years. They are guessing that it is a professional courtesy? There is even an article in the PG saying Haley isn't likely to get the job. How the hell do they know? Was Gerry Dulac standing outside Tomlins office and Tomlin gave him the no-go headshake when Haley left the office? Anymore the writers guessing and simple speculation, basically gossip, is all that is needed to write a piece in the paper.

[steelz09]

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My one and only problem with Haley is how he gets into arguments on the sidelines with his players.

Think Boldin in Arizona.

There was another instance in KC if I remember correctly.

[flippy]

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It'd be cool to have a little crazy in the coaching ranks. Haley would definitely shake things up. Tomlin, Lebeau, etc all have such a calm demeanor.

I think the structure would take a little of the crazy out of Haley and at the same time he could stir a little passion in this team.

I'm not sure if Haley would be the best choice? But he also might be extra motivated since everyone's seemed to have written him off.

[Mister Pittsburgh]

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It'd be cool to have a little crazy in the coaching ranks. Haley would definitely shake things up. Tomlin, Lebeau, etc all have such a calm demeanor.

I think the structure would take a little of the crazy out of Haley and at the same time he could stir a little passion in this team.

I'm not sure if Haley would be the best choice? But he also might be extra motivated since everyone's seemed to have written him off.

I agree. And also, the dude if from the area, and most dogs don't like to sh!t in their own backyards. I am sure he would be on good behavior considering he would be coaching for his hometown team. If not, he is f'n crazy for real.

[feltdizz]

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I have really grown to hate the media the past couple years. They are guessing that it is a professional courtesy? There is even an article in the PG saying Haley isn't likely to get the job. How the hell do they know? Was Gerry Dulac standing outside Tomlins office and Tomlin gave him the no-go headshake when Haley left the office? Anymore the writers guessing and simple speculation, basically gossip, is all that is needed to write a piece in the paper.

[phillyesq]

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I have really grown to hate the media the past couple years. They are guessing that it is a professional courtesy? There is even an article in the PG saying Haley isn't likely to get the job. How the hell do they know? Was Gerry Dulac standing outside Tomlins office and Tomlin gave him the no-go headshake when Haley left the office? Anymore the writers guessing and simple speculation, basically gossip, is all that is needed to write a piece in the paper.

It's unfortunate that somebody like Florio, whose site is based largely on rampant speculation, is considered part of the media.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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I don't think Haley not playing any football means he can't be a good coach. He has a track record. He worked under Bill Parcels for two seperate occasions. I'm sure Bill Parcels tolerated a coach who didn't know what he was doing. Some of the greatest coaches have limited NFL experience if any. If the "what have you done" issue arises between a player and a coach...You don't want that type of player on your roster. It is a cancer waiting to happen and on the business side of a team he is shown the door. Just ask Larry Johnson. The Steelers have done a pretty good job of making sure those type of players never find there way on the Steelers roster. There is a level employer - employee that must be maintained and that goes down the roster of coaches. If it was an issue in the league...How would you expect a player making 8 mil a year respect and take orders from a position coach making 6 digits. So you don't like the guy...So be it. Trying to use this as an excuse not to hire a guy lacks any intelligence.

Haley was around football his whole life starting at an early age. He may be best suited as a OC or position coach. He worked with Charlie Weiss & Bill Parcels with the Jets as a WR coach. Keyshawn Johnson made the ProBowl under Haley. He joined the Bears as a WR coach and worked under Dick Jauron. Marty Booker made the Pro Bowl under Haley. He rejoined Parcels in Dallas. Haley was the wide receivers coach and passing game coordinator. Here is my tell tale. In 2006, he had TO & Glenn on his team and was working with Romo in his first year of starting. He took the offense to 5th in total, 4th in scoring, and helped Romo to achieve the 5th highest rated QB rating in his first year of starting. Did I mention TO was on that team? Haley wasn't the focus but he had an instrumental part of that offense. Pretty good resume as a support coach. If you don't like that...Let's see what he did as a OC & HC.

He then joined Whisenhunt in Arizona in 2007. He didn't start calling his own plays until mid season....2008 he called the plays. Warner wan't anything special the two years in Arizona before Whiz & Haley got there. Who gets the credit? Can be arugued any way. Cardinals have been 23-25 since Haley left. No QB the last two years...Sure. Haley's last year the offense was 4th in total & 3rd in scoring. The following year after he left Warner was still there. The offense fell to 14th in total & 11th in scoring. In 2010, 31st in total & 26th in scoring. In 2011, 19th total & 24th scoring. I think they both had a hand in the offensive success. When Whiz was here, he went 16th, 15th, & 7th in total offense and 11th, 9th, & 12th in scoring offense. His best numbers on his resume had Haley as his OC.

Haley took the HC job at KC and took on a 2-14 team from 2008. The team was 24th in total offense & 26th in scoring the year before Haley got there. Haley went 19-26 while he was there with a season best 10-6 & an AFC West Title. The Chiefs were 12th in total offense & 14th in scoring that year. Whiz hasn't bettered him even the year after they lost the SB. He inherited a 2-14 team...There was some coaching involved there. In 2011 he lost his start RB Charles in the 2nd game and still ended up going 4-5 before he lost Cassell for the season. I don't care how you feel about him...Haley had an uphill battle at coaching out of the box and hit some pretty big bumps in the road in 2011. Not bad for a guy who never played football. I wouldn't want to hire him if he never played football and never coached before....But he has a resume in coaching so I think the "never played football" is not an issue.

[Dee Dub]

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What are the problems we've seen and heard of Haley? Arguments with players on the sideline. Tirades. His reputation for being arrogant. Tough to work with. These seem to be a result of a disconnect with his players, coaches, and front office. This reputation he has is coming from where? These very same people he is having the disconnect with. People who themselves have played the game of football.

If one doesnt see a problem there with that then I dont know what to say.

[Slapstick]

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My one and only problem with Haley is how he gets into arguments on the sidelines with his players.

Think Boldin in Arizona.

There was another instance in KC if I remember correctly.

Simple enough...

Keep him off the sideline and have him calling plays from upstairs...

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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What are the problems we've seen and heard of Haley? Arguments with players on the sideline. Tirades. His reputation for being arrogant. Tough to work with. These seem to be a result of a disconnect with his players, coaches, and front office. This reputation he has is coming from where? These very same people he is having the disconnect with. People who themselves have played the game of football.

If one doesnt see a problem there with that then I dont know what to say.

I don't see a problem putting someone in there place. Bolden didn't like coming out of the lineup. STFU and sit down. Johnson is no stranger to controversy and was a premadona at that point in his career....And I'm a PSU homer. Let the writers write what they want. He has been around coaching and got production. If your argument is based on Bolden & Johnson having there feelings hurt & Haley...Who was their coach...Setting them straight...Then maybe you don't understand the order of things. Players play...Coaches coach....It isn't any different for anyone because of the name on their back or the zeroes in their contracts. When that matters...There won't be an NFL.

[Dee Dub]

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[quote=JUST-PLAIN-NASTY][quote="Dee Dub":1b95g0c4]What are the problems we've seen and heard of Haley? Arguments with players on the sideline. Tirades. His reputation for being arrogant. Tough to work with. These seem to be a result of a disconnect with his players, coaches, and front office. This reputation he has is coming from where? These very same people he is having the disconnect with. People who themselves have played the game of football.

If one doesnt see a problem there with that then I dont know what to say.[/quote]

I don't see a problem putting someone in there place. Bolden didn't like coming out of the lineup. STFU and sit down. Johnson is no stranger to controversy and was a premadona at that point in his career....And I'm a PSU homer. Let the writers write what they want. He has been around coaching and got production. If your argument is based on Bolden & Johnson having there feelings hurt & Haley...Who was their coach...Setting them straight...Then maybe you don't understand the order of things. Players play...Coaches coach....It isn't any different for anyone because of the name on their back or the zeroes in their contracts. When that matters...There won't be an NFL.[/quote:1b95g0c4]

He's not getting the job so we need not argue this anymore.

Haley interviews, unlikely to get Arians' job
Wednesday, February 01, 2012
By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

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..and this is from the article...

Haley's interview was something of a surprise because he has a reputation for not getting along with players and coaches. He was the offensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals when they lost against the Steelers in Super Bowl XLIII.


Disconnect!!

[steelz09]

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I don't think his arguments has anything do to a "disconnect" with his players because he never played.

I think it's just because the guy is a bit hot headed sometimes.... and the emotions take over.

[feltdizz]

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I don't think his arguments has anything do to a "disconnect" with his players because he never played.

I think it's just because the guy is a bit hot headed sometimes.... and the emotions take over.

I thought we wanted an offensive coordinator who wasn't buddy buddy with the players?

Now we want an OC who can relate, be sensitive, etc... all while putting up big numbers.