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  • Dee Dub
    Hall of Famer
    • Jan 2010
    • 4652

    #16
    Re: Do We Need to Draft OLine Early?

    To answer your question flippy, it's very simple to me. The answer is "Yes" but only if the right ones are there. Dont just use a high pick on a position just because it is a position of need. Make sure you are getting the proper value for that selection. How many O-lineman that fit that description will be there at number #24? That is is the real question.
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    • drprwnap
      Backup
      • Apr 2008
      • 370

      #17
      Re: Do We Need to Draft OLine Early?

      GOOD GOD, YES!

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      • RuthlessBurgher
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 33208

        #18
        Re: Do We Need to Draft OLine Early?

        Originally posted by Oviedo
        Just repeat after me: Cordy Glenn, Cordy Glenn, Cordy Glenn, Cordy Glenn...

        Until we fix the OL there isn't anything a new O Coord can do better than Arians.
        I'd like to land Glenn too, but acknowledge that the Bengals have two picks before we have our first pick, and they have a need at guard as well (I think they use their earlier pick from the Raiders at #17 on a flashier playmaker type, then fortify their OL with their own first rounder at #21). Frankly, I don't see Glenn getting past Cincy's second first round pick. If we wanted to trade up ahead of Cincy to #20, the cost would likely be something like our first and third for Tennessee's first and fifth. Is that a trade that you'd be willing to make to get Glenn? If not, you may not have a shot at getting him.

        Personally, if it's feasible, even though it is pricier in terms of the compensation we'd have to sacrifice to move up, I'd prefer my other suggestion of our first and second for the Jets first and fourth to move up to get DeCastro instead, since he is more of a sure thing in my mind than Glenn (who I think should be a heck of a player, but there is always a chance that he eats himself out of the league...you never know with guys that big).
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        • focosteeler
          Starter
          • May 2010
          • 760

          #19
          Re: Do We Need to Draft OLine Early?

          Originally posted by Dee Dub
          To answer your question flippy, it's very simple to me. The answer is "Yes" but only if the right ones are there. Dont just use a high pick on a position just because it is a position of need. Make sure you are getting the proper value for that selection. How many O-lineman that fit that description will be there at number #24? That is is the real question.

          I think unless we trade up for decastro we go BPA in the 1st
          1. CB – Marcus Peters – Washington – 6/190
          2. OG – Josue Matias – Florida State – 6-6/320
          3. OLB – Geneo Grissom – Oklahoma – 6-4/250
          4. DL – Ellis McCarthy – UCLA – 6-5/330
          5. TE – Jeff Heurman – Ohio State – 6-5/255
          6. FS – Adrian Amos – Penn State – 6/200
          7. DT – Terry Williams – East Carolina – 6-1/340

          UDFA
          DB – Justin Cox – Mississippi St. – 6-2/190
          OLB – Davis Tull – Chattanooga – 6-2/242

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          • Dee Dub
            Hall of Famer
            • Jan 2010
            • 4652

            #20
            Re: Do We Need to Draft OLine Early?

            Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
            Originally posted by Oviedo
            Just repeat after me: Cordy Glenn, Cordy Glenn, Cordy Glenn, Cordy Glenn...

            Until we fix the OL there isn't anything a new O Coord can do better than Arians.
            I'd like to land Glenn too, but acknowledge that the Bengals have two picks before we have our first pick, and they have a need at guard as well (I think they use their earlier pick from the Raiders at #17 on a flashier playmaker type, then fortify their OL with their own first rounder at #21). Frankly, I don't see Glenn getting past Cincy's second first round pick. If we wanted to trade up ahead of Cincy to #20, the cost would likely be something like our first and third for Tennessee's first and fifth. Is that a trade that you'd be willing to make to get Glenn? If not, you may not have a shot at getting him.

            Personally, if it's feasible, even though it is pricier in terms of the compensation we'd have to sacrifice to move up, I'd prefer my other suggestion of our first and second for the Jets first and fourth to move up to get DeCastro instead, since he is more of a sure thing in my mind than Glenn (who I think should be a heck of a player, but there is always a chance that he eats himself out of the league...you never know with guys that big).
            I agree with you here Ruthless. In order for the Steelers to get an immediate impact starter on the O-line (as you have suggested in your mock), the Steelers will need to trade up. I doubt very seriously if Cordy Glenn falls to number #24. He dominated in the SEC at LT and many of the experts are predicting he will be even better inside at guard. Those types of players usually dont last till #24.
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            • grotonsteel
              Hall of Famer
              • Jul 2008
              • 2810

              #21
              Re: Do We Need to Draft OLine Early?

              Steelers need to draft O-line Early. Its neglected for way too long.

              Cordy Glenn and DeCastro are the only two O-line players i would draft at 24 though. I would draft Matt kalil too but he is a Top-3 player in the draft.

              Rd 2 - I would draft Brandon Washington, OG.
              Steelers Draft 2015
              Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
              Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
              Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
              Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
              Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
              Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
              Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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              • phillyesq
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 7568

                #22
                Re: Do We Need to Draft OLine Early?

                Originally posted by Oviedo
                Just repeat after me: Cordy Glenn, Cordy Glenn, Cordy Glenn, Cordy Glenn...

                Until we fix the OL there isn't anything a new O Coord can do better than Arians.
                On this, we're in agreement.

                I can easily see myself jumping on the Cordy Glenn bandwagon unless, as Ruthless suggested, we trade up for DeCastro.

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                • Dee Dub
                  Hall of Famer
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 4652

                  #23
                  Re: Do We Need to Draft OLine Early?

                  Originally posted by grotonsteel
                  Steelers need to draft O-line Early. Its neglected for way too long.

                  Cordy Glenn and DeCastro are the only two O-line players i would draft at 24 though. I would draft Matt kalil too but he is a Top-3 player in the draft.

                  Rd 2 - I would draft Brandon Washington, OG.
                  See this is what I dont understand...you say we have too draft O-line early yet then go on to state only Decastro and Glenn are the only two you would draft at 24. grotonsteel, they arent going to be available at 24. No way. So how do we draft O-line early if no one is going to be there at 24 who is worthy?
                  Steelers 2015 Draft???....Go Freak! As in....

                  1-Bernardrick McKinney MLB Mississippi State 6 ft 5 250 4.5 40 yard dash

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                  • flippy
                    Legend
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 17088

                    #24
                    Re: Do We Need to Draft OLine Early?

                    Don't get me wrong. If the right guy's there on the Oline, take him by all means. I did in my mock.

                    But we might not get a shot at an elite OLineman. And then at that point, I say our odds of getting a starter could be just as good in rounds 2-6.

                    Are our scouts to blame a bit for not being able to find hidden OLine talent? Or is BA to blame for calling mostly 7 step drops that force our line to block forever?

                    Guess we'll see as the offense evolves.

                    If we call the game differently, we might be good enough on the OLine.
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                    • SteelTorch
                      Pro Bowler
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 1361

                      #25
                      Re: Do We Need to Draft OLine Early?

                      I say go for it. Be tenacious. Drafting BPA hasn't always worked out for us. And in some cases, we've passed up good OL prospects for questionable draft choices. Exhibit A: Bruce Davis.
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                      • NW Steeler
                        Pro Bowler
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 1391

                        #26
                        Re: Do We Need to Draft OLine Early?

                        If they dont trade up to get Decastro or Glenn, then I hope they pick the massive NT in round one and go from there.

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                        • Slapstick
                          Rookie
                          • May 2008
                          • 0

                          #27
                          Re: Do We Need to Draft OLine Early?

                          What if:

                          DeCastro and Glenn are already gone, but OT Mike Adams is sitting there @ 1.24?

                          He has a late first round grade, so he wouldn't be a reach...
                          Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                          • grotonsteel
                            Hall of Famer
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 2810

                            #28
                            Re: Do We Need to Draft OLine Early?

                            Originally posted by Dee Dub
                            Originally posted by grotonsteel
                            Steelers need to draft O-line Early. Its neglected for way too long.

                            Cordy Glenn and DeCastro are the only two O-line players i would draft at 24 though. I would draft Matt kalil too but he is a Top-3 player in the draft.

                            Rd 2 - I would draft Brandon Washington, OG.
                            See this is what I dont understand...you say we have too draft O-line early yet then go on to state only Decastro and Glenn are the only two you would draft at 24. grotonsteel, they arent going to be available at 24. No way. So how do we draft O-line early if no one is going to be there at 24 who is worthy?

                            Sorry..I should have stated clearly.

                            I am not saying Steelers should draft a O-line no matter what in Rd 1 itself. If Cordy Glenn or deCasto are not available at 24 then Steelers should look for BPA at 24. If Glenn or DeCastro are available at 24 i think it should be a no-brainer.

                            If Steelers are not drafting a O-lineman in Rd 1 i hope steelers go for a OL in Rd 2/Rd 3.

                            Rd 2- Brandon washington
                            Rd 3- Lucas Nix

                            I don't want Steelers to wait till Rd 5-UDFA to pick OG/OT in this draft.
                            Steelers Draft 2015
                            Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
                            Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
                            Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
                            Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
                            Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
                            Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
                            Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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                            • BigRob
                              Pro Bowler
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 1381

                              #29
                              Re: Do We Need to Draft OLine Early?

                              Personally I think Osemele would be just a good of a pick as Glenn at pick 24 and he will be there.
                              Here comes the BOOM!
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                              • BigRob
                                Pro Bowler
                                • Jul 2008
                                • 1381

                                #30
                                Re: Do We Need to Draft OLine Early?

                                Originally posted by Slapstick
                                What if:

                                DeCastro and Glenn are already gone, but OT Mike Adams is sitting there @ 1.24?

                                He has a late first round grade, so he wouldn't be a reach...
                                Wishful thinking:

                                Wes Bunting (twitter)
                                Hearing that some NFL teams see #OhioState OT Mike Adams as a potential top 15 talent, could be in for big week #SeniorBowl
                                Here comes the BOOM!
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