Here is a thought on the Steelers draft...

[Dee Dub]

Since Marcus Gilbert is likely moving to LT, this may create a win-win situtation for the Steelers draft wise. I have been taking a long hard look at Zebrie Sanders (SKL gets credit for this ), and he is a solid RT who very well could come right in and start (like Gilbert did this tear). Because of the premium put on the LT those that are draft-able in round one are out of reach for the Steelers at 24. But a legit RT isnt. And quite frankly they may be even able to trade back a few spots and draft Zebrie Sanders along with acquiring another pick in round 2, 3, or 4. I am not a salary cap guy but I would think this would also free up "some" money by releasing Willie Colon. Too me, the more I look at this, the more I like it. I am not yet at 100% sold but I am starting to reach for my wallet.

Gilbert-Legursky-Pouncey-Foster-Sanders ( this may be the best O-line the Steelers have had in a long time).

Would love to hear some thoughts on this.

[Dee Dub]

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Oh, if Cody Glenn happens to be there at 24 then that too would work. Glenn can play either Tackle or Guard.

[Slapstick]

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Releasing Colon is not an option, capwise, at this point...

IIRC, releasing him would increase his cap hit this year...not the other way around...

[Dee Dub]

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Releasing Colon is not an option, capwise, at this point...

IIRC, releasing him would increase his cap hit this year...not the other way around...

So at no point during this off season he can released and save even a small amount of money? If not ok so be it. I still like the thought of Sanders or Cordy Glenn having a shot at that position.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

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Gilbert-Legursky-Pouncey-Foster-Sanders ( this may be the best O-line the Steelers have had in a long time).

Would love to hear some thoughts on this.

Any OL without Chris K on it would be the best we have had in a long time.

As far as the money thing goes, it looks like the deal Colon signed last season was a 5 year deal with a $6M SB. That means that the Steelers must still account for $4.8M in pro rated SB.

The best way to save on next year's cap is to cut him after June 1. We save all of his $4.5M salary and only get charged his $1.2M SB which is already accounted for on the cap. We are then charged $3.6M dead money in 2013.

The other way would be to cut him prior to June 1 and eat all of the remaining SB in the coming season. Savings would be about $900K.

Steelers generally won't cut a guy this soon with this much money still owing. I'm not a fan, but expect to see Colon back at RT next season.

[Slapstick]

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I think if they cut him after June 1st, they can elect to push the $3.6 mil to the following year or split it more evenly...like $2.4 this year and $2.4 next...

[Dee Dub]

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....As far as the money thing goes, it looks like the deal Colon signed last season was a 5 year deal with a $6M SB. That means that the Steelers must still account for $4.8M in pro rated SB.

The best way to save on next year's cap is to cut him after June 1. We save all of his $4.5M salary and only get charged his $1.2M SB which is already accounted for on the cap. We are then charged $3.6M dead money in 2013.....

I think if they cut him after June 1st, they can elect to push the $3.6 mil to the following year or split it more evenly...like $2.4 this year and $2.4 next...

Now were talkin. This makes my thought even better. I think it is foolish for the Steelers to think they could rely on Willie Colon who has been injured two full straight seasons.

[Oviedo]

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Since Marcus Gilbert is likely moving to LT, this may create a win-win situtation for the Steelers draft wise. I have been taking a long hard look at Zebrie Sanders (SKL gets credit for this ), and he is a solid RT who very well could come right in and start (like Gilbert did this tear). Because of the premium put on the LT those that are draft-able in round one are out of reach for the Steelers at 24. But a legit RT isnt. And quite frankly they may be even able to trade back a few spots and draft Zebrie Sanders along with acquiring another pick in round 2, 3, or 4. I am not a salary cap guy but I would think this would also free up "some" money by releasing Willie Colon. Too me, the more I look at this, the more I like it. I am not yet at 100% sold but I am starting to reach for my wallet.

Gilbert-Legursky-Pouncey-Foster-Sanders ( this may be the best O-line the Steelers have had in a long time).

Would love to hear some thoughts on this.

The OL you desribe is still weak at Guard and Ben would continue to a victum of pressure up the middle.

Colon is not going anywhere unless it is via an injury settlement. The cap hit wouldn't make sense.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Here is a thought on the Steelers draft...

Since Marcus Gilbert is likely moving to LT, this may create a win-win situtation for the Steelers draft wise. I have been taking a long hard look at Zebrie Sanders (SKL gets credit for this ), and he is a solid RT who very well could come right in and start (like Gilbert did this tear). Because of the premium put on the LT those that are draft-able in round one are out of reach for the Steelers at 24. But a legit RT isnt. And quite frankly they may be even able to trade back a few spots and draft Zebrie Sanders along with acquiring another pick in round 2, 3, or 4. I am not a salary cap guy but I would think this would also free up "some" money by releasing Willie Colon. Too me, the more I look at this, the more I like it. I am not yet at 100% sold but I am starting to reach for my wallet.

Gilbert-Legursky-Pouncey-Foster-Sanders ( this may be the best O-line the Steelers have had in a long time).

Would love to hear some thoughts on this.

The OL you desribe is still weak at Guard and Ben would continue to a victum of pressure up the middle.

Colon is not going anywhere unless it is via an injury settlement. The cap hit wouldn't make sense.

Well word from the Steelers is they are very happy with Legursky and Foster at guard and according to what my cap guy steeler.fan.in.t.o. says....cutting Colon after June 1 saves 4.5 million. How does that not make sense?

By the way anyone who thinks any team is going to solve all their offensive line problems in one off season is not thinking in reality. One piece at a time guys. Pouncey, Gilbert, Sanders and or Glenn is a step in a much better direction.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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[quote=Dee Dub]

Since Marcus Gilbert is likely moving to LT, this may create a win-win situtation for the Steelers draft wise. I have been taking a long hard look at Zebrie Sanders (SKL gets credit for this ), and he is a solid RT who very well could come right in and start (like Gilbert did this tear). Because of the premium put on the LT those that are draft-able in round one are out of reach for the Steelers at 24. But a legit RT isnt. And quite frankly they may be even able to trade back a few spots and draft Zebrie Sanders along with acquiring another pick in round 2, 3, or 4. I am not a salary cap guy but I would think this would also free up "some" money by releasing Willie Colon. Too me, the more I look at this, the more I like it. I am not yet at 100% sold but I am starting to reach for my wallet.

Gilbert-Legursky-Pouncey-Foster-Sanders ( this may be the best O-line the Steelers have had in a long time).

Would love to hear some thoughts on this.

The OL you desribe is still weak at Guard and Ben would continue to a victum of pressure up the middle.

Colon is not going anywhere unless it is via an injury settlement. The cap hit wouldn't make sense.

Well word from the Steelers is they are very happy with Legursky and Foster at guard and according to what my cap guy steeler.fan.in.t.o. says....cutting Colon after June 1 saves 4.5 million. How does that not make sense?

By the way anyone who thinks any team is going to solve all their offensive line problems in one off season is not thinking in reality. One piece at a time guys. Pouncey, Gilbert, Sanders and or Glenn is a step in a much better direction.[/quote:27kgffys]

5 mil of Rooney's money unearned...That's why Colon isn't going anywhere if healthy. Being over the cap isn't coming as a surprise to the Rooney's or Colbert. They had a plan in place last year or they wouldn't have given Colon, Woodley, Polamalu, & Timmons those contracts if they weren't in the plans. They will shave by restructuring those deals & others but the cuts will be coming from names like Scott, Battle, Smith, Allen, & McFadden.....And if others like Kemo, Farrior, Foote, & Ward don't restructure...They could be gone too.

[Slapstick]

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I think that cap hit is mistaken...

Colon got a $6 million bonus on a five year contract...that pro-rates at $1.2 million per year...

That leaves $4.8 mil...unless Colon's cap it is more than $9 million, the Steelers won't save anywhere near $4.5 million...

[Dee Dub]

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[quote=JUST-PLAIN-NASTY][quote="Dee Dub":1s4up1e7]

Since Marcus Gilbert is likely moving to LT, this may create a win-win situtation for the Steelers draft wise. I have been taking a long hard look at Zebrie Sanders (SKL gets credit for this ), and he is a solid RT who very well could come right in and start (like Gilbert did this tear). Because of the premium put on the LT those that are draft-able in round one are out of reach for the Steelers at 24. But a legit RT isnt. And quite frankly they may be even able to trade back a few spots and draft Zebrie Sanders along with acquiring another pick in round 2, 3, or 4. I am not a salary cap guy but I would think this would also free up "some" money by releasing Willie Colon. Too me, the more I look at this, the more I like it. I am not yet at 100% sold but I am starting to reach for my wallet.

Gilbert-Legursky-Pouncey-Foster-Sanders ( this may be the best O-line the Steelers have had in a long time).

Would love to hear some thoughts on this.

The OL you desribe is still weak at Guard and Ben would continue to a victum of pressure up the middle.

Colon is not going anywhere unless it is via an injury settlement. The cap hit wouldn't make sense.

Well word from the Steelers is they are very happy with Legursky and Foster at guard and according to what my cap guy steeler.fan.in.t.o. says....cutting Colon after June 1 saves 4.5 million. How does that not make sense?

By the way anyone who thinks any team is going to solve all their offensive line problems in one off season is not thinking in reality. One piece at a time guys. Pouncey, Gilbert, Sanders and or Glenn is a step in a much better direction.[/quote:1s4up1e7]

5 mil of Rooney's money unearned...That's why Colon isn't going anywhere if healthy. Being over the cap isn't coming as a surprise to the Rooney's or Colbert. They had a plan in place last year or they wouldn't have given Colon, Woodley, Polamalu, & Timmons those contracts if they weren't in the plans. They will shave by restructuring those deals & others but the cuts will be coming from names like Scott, Battle, Smith, Allen, & McFadden.....And if others like Kemo, Farrior, Foote, & Ward don't restructure...They could be gone too.[/quote:1s4up1e7]

Things change by each year. Last year the Steelers were coming off a Super Bowl appearance. This year its a one and done.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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Things change by each year. Last year the Steelers were coming off a Super Bowl appearance. This year its a one and done.

I agree changes are coming. I think it is more in line of making vets move on. We all know Rooneys are "blue collar watch your dollar" peoples. They signed off on all those contracts last year because they felt they were good investments. Unless someone can't play football that they gave those new contracts to...I don't see them giving a guy 5 mil and sending him to the streets. We know the Rooneys...5 mil is alot of money to you & I and it is alot of money to the Rooneys. Kinda the thing that makes them predictable.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

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I think if they cut him after June 1st, they can elect to push the $3.6 mil to the following year or split it more evenly...like $2.4 this year and $2.4 next...

Unless the rules changed after the lockout (which I doubt) that is not an option. Releasing prior to June 1 means all the remaining SB charged this year, released after June 1 means only current year is charged and remainder the following year. Teams do not have the option to change the split.

The only time that it works out to a 50-50 split is if there is only one more year remaining, like if the Steelers decided to cut Colon prior to the 2014 season. Then $1.2M would be charged in 2014 and $1.2M in 2015.

Steelers rarely cut a guy with more than 1 extra year remaining. IIRC the only recent player I can remember is one of the awful Cs we had - either Hartwig or Mahan.

[StarSpangledSteeler]

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I have been tracking Sanders all year. The guy can play. Huge strong hands, long arms, and locks on like velcro. I believe he presents a solid value at 1.24 and fills a position of need. He has proven he can play left tackle as well as right tackle. He's certainly better than J. Scott or Hills or Essex and within a year will be better than Starks.

I would much rather draft a legit tackle who might be able to play some guard. Than a legit guard who might be able to play some tackle. The latter typically CANNOT play tackle, so it weakens two positions by switching. Plus those types can usually be found in middle rounds whereas legit tackles cannot.