Is Bruce Arians the Problem or Not?

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Is Bruce Arians the Problem or Not?

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem

Unless we're chemistry nerds...then if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

[frankthetank1]

Re: Is Bruce Arians the Problem or Not?

BA is the problem when the steelers lose but not when they win haha.

if you think BA is most or even half of the problem what does that say about tomlin, the FO, and the organization in general? i think if BA was really as in ept as most think he wouldnt of lasted a full season with the steelers. i trust tomlin, colbert's and the rooneys opinions on knowledgable coaches. i think they know what they are doing. oh wait they probably just keep BA because ben likes him haha that makes a whole lot of sense

[fezziwig]

Re: Is Bruce Arians the Problem or Not?

He's not the problem. If he was, do you really think Tomlin and Roethlisberger would go and ask him to reconsider leaving/retiring? (which they did)

His suckiness is overrated IMO, on this board. Same with LeBeau.

I think we are pretty in tune with what we see. Just because we are not players or coaches doesn't mean we don't understand what is happening.
Are fans just morons that have no clue to what they have been playing since childhood, wacthing with passion since childhood ?

I'm not one of them but, there are a lot of smart football posters on this site and others that do have an excellent knowledge of the game.

I've said it from the start, " I like Tomlin, he came in and complemented an excellent football team with his leadership but, the dude must not have a clue about offense or else he would have fired BA a while back. "
Same with Ben, Ben has a buddy in Arians that started out as an assitant coach to Ben so, they most likely had a friendship before BA was the OC.

Look up BA's track record with us and other teams that he coached.....it reads like a demon resume. The guy only does as well as he does due to the talent on the offense, a great defense.
We've won despite of Arians.

The guy could quit, get fired, retire today and he wouldn't get another OC offer and for sure not a head coaches job.

Only once in my life did another teams assistant coach come to my attention because he was so stupid and that coach was BA when he was Clevelands OC.

[rockonsteel]

Re: Is Bruce Arians the Problem or Not?

He's not the problem. If he was, do you really think Tomlin and Roethlisberger would go and ask him to reconsider leaving/retiring? (which they did)

His suckiness is overrated IMO, on this board. Same with LeBeau.

I think we are pretty in tune with what we see. Just because we are not players or coaches doesn't mean we don't understand what is happening.
Are fans just morons that have no clue to what they have been playing since childhood, wacthing with passion since childhood ?

I'm not one of them but, there are a lot of smart football posters on this site and others that do have an excellent knowledge of the game.

I've said it from the start, " I like Tomlin, he came in and complemented an excellent football team with his leadership but, the dude must not have a clue about offense or else he would have fired BA a while back. "
Same with Ben, Ben has a buddy in Arians that started out as an assitant coach to Ben so, they most likely had a friendship before BA was the OC.

Look up BA's track record with us and other teams that he coached.....it reads like a demon resume. The guy only does as well as he does due to the talent on the offense, a great defense.
We've won despite of Arians.

The guy could quit, get fired, retire today and he wouldn't get another OC offer and for sure not a head coaches job.

Only once in my life did another teams assistant coach come to my attention because he was so stupid and that coach was BA when he was Clevelands OC.

Couldn't agree more. Very well said!




Rockon

[Shawn]

Re: Is Bruce Arians the Problem or Not?

IMO, Arians is an average OC. He isn't a stinker, but he isn't great. We could certainly find improvement by replacing him.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Re: Is Bruce Arians the Problem or Not?

THE problem? No

A problem? Yes, a big problem

But not THE problem

[papillon]

Re: Is Bruce Arians the Problem or Not?

The Steelers find themselves in a position that few teams ever get in the NFL.

They have a franchise quarterback who gets along with his offensive coordinator.

They have a defensive coordinator that may be coveted by other teams, but he isn't leaving to become head coach due to his age and his defense is typically a top 5

They have an offensive coordinator who many think is a buffoon, but he has transformed the Steeler offense from a run first to a pass first offense to take advantage of the rules. He isn't leaving to be a head coach, mostly because of his age and partly because his offense hasn't reached its potential.

They have a head coach who won't be going anywhere too soon, because the owners of the team believe in stability at the top.

In other words, the Steelers have a head coach, defensive coordinator and offensive coordinator that aren't going elsewhere to coach and this creates an atmosphere of continuity and outstanding player relations. No other team (and probably not the Steelers once Lebeau, Arians or Tomlin retire) have the opportunity for stability at the three primary coaching positions.

So, while some hate Arians, some hate Lebeau and some hate Tomlin, the bottom line is the Steelers have leadership stability at the top and I hope it doesn't change any time soon.

Pappy

[fezziwig]

Re: Is Bruce Arians the Problem or Not?

Too bad stability on offense can't game plan, make game time adjustments, doesn't use the players to the best of their abilities.

Also too bad that the head coach doesn't have enough offensive smarts to interject to lousy game day planning, game day adjustments oops, no game adjustments with his OC.


Bruce Arian comments that have stuck out to me.

Reporter: Bruce, you tried running that play all day and it didn't work against the defense why, with minutes remaining, the game on the line would you run that play again ?

Arians: That's exactly why I ran that play I, didn't expect the defense to believe we would try that play again since, we had no success with it the entire game.


I believe this was after our last Super Bowl with Green Bay having a starter out for the game or during the game in the secondary.

Reporter: Bruce, why didn't you throw against the backup during the game ?

Arians: We don't attack players or go against their weaknesses, we stick with our game plan.

That's our brilliant OC.

The sad thing is, he will probably leave when Ben retires or Bruce gets him killed and you'll never know just how terrific this offense could be had we had an OC that was at least half way decent.

[SteelCrazy]

Re: Is Bruce Arians the Problem or Not?

Too bad stability on offense can't game plan, make game time adjustments, doesn't use the players to the best of their abilities.

Also too bad that the head coach doesn't have enough offensive smarts to interject to lousy game day planning, game day adjustments oops, no game adjustments with his OC.


Bruce Arian comments that have stuck out to me.

Reporter: Bruce, you tried running that play all day and it didn't work against the defense why, with minutes remaining, the game on the line would you run that play again ?

Arians: That's exactly why I ran that play I, didn't expect the defense to believe we would try that play again since, we had no success with it the entire game.


I believe this was after our last Super Bowl with Green Bay having a starter out for the game or during the game in the secondary.

Reporter: Bruce, why didn't you throw against the backup during the game ?

Arians: We don't attack players or go against their weaknesses, we stick with our game plan.

That's our brilliant OC.

The sad thing is, he will probably leave when Ben retires or Bruce gets him killed and you'll never know just how terrific this offense could be had we had an OC that was at least half way decent.

OMG, did he really say those 2 things? If he did, I hate him more than ever and he should be fired on those comments alone!

[Mister Pittsburgh]

Re: Is Bruce Arians the Problem or Not?

A- please provide a link to whatever article those quotes were from.
B- we will see how good Arians offense & gameplanning skills are with Batch at QB & he doesn't have Ben out there with his backyard football skills.

[fezziwig]

Re: Is Bruce Arians the Problem or Not?

I did not read his words, I heard his words in his interview. Believe me, I did hear him say those comments and I wouldn't give false statements or anything like that.

[pittpete]

Re: Is Bruce Arians the Problem or Not?

Bruce Arian comments that have stuck out to me.

Reporter: Bruce, you tried running that play all day and it didn't work against the defense why, with minutes remaining, the game on the line would you run that play again ?

Arians: That's exactly why I ran that play I, didn't expect the defense to believe we would try that play again since, we had no success with it the entire game.


I believe this was after our last Super Bowl with Green Bay having a starter out for the game or during the game in the secondary.

Reporter: Bruce, why didn't you throw against the backup during the game ?

Arians: We don't attack players or go against their weaknesses, we stick with our game plan.

That's our brilliant OC.

Sounds like the genius to me.

[fezziwig]

Re: Is Bruce Arians the Problem or Not?

I'm telling you, " not only is Arians a tool, he's the entire tool box "

[rockonsteel]

Re: Is Bruce Arians the Problem or Not?

A- please provide a link to whatever article those quotes were from.
B- we will see how good Arians offense & gameplanning skills are with Batch at QB & he doesn't have Ben out there with his backyard football skills.

I did not read his words, I heard his words in his interview. Believe me, I did hear him say those comments and I wouldn't give false statements or anything like that.

FWIW, you've got at a witness here. I heard both interviews. And both quotes I've seen in print, but I am not gonna take the time to try and find them. As I'm sure Fezz fell the same way. But, the words are true and came directly from Arians' blowhole.

QB hobbled on one leg? OL banged up and not great at pass blocking? No problem, let's dial up 45 pass plays and make our franchise QB a sitting duck against one of the most phyiscal defenses in the league in the 9ers, with a really good pass rush. Brilliant!!!(Those are my words, not Bruce)

Rockon

[fezziwig]

Re: Is Bruce Arians the Problem or Not?

A- please provide a link to whatever article those quotes were from.
B- we will see how good Arians offense & gameplanning skills are with Batch at QB & he doesn't have Ben out there with his backyard football skills.

I did not read his words, I heard his words in his interview. Believe me, I did hear him say those comments and I wouldn't give false statements or anything like that.

FWIW, you've got at a witness here. I heard both interviews. And both quotes I've seen in print, but I am not gonna take the time to try and find them. As I'm sure Fezz fell the same way. But, the words are true and came directly from Arians' blowhole.

QB hobbled on one leg? OL banged up and not great at pass blocking? No problem, let's dial up 45 pass plays and make our franchise QB a sitting duck against one of the most phyiscal defenses in the league in the 9ers, with a really good pass rush. Brilliant!!!(Those are my words, not Bruce)

Rockon