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  • fezziwig
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    • Jan 2009
    • 3515

    #46
    Re: GREAT job DL EBEAU

    I agree about the defense should not have this loss placed on them. I do wonder why they didn't put more pressure on Smith and why they played off the receivers so far or at least, it seemed that way to me.

    Why didn't Arians afford Starks some help ? Having someone give their rusher a little chip shot could have helped.

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    • pittpete
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      • Aug 2008
      • 6825

      #47
      Re: GREAT job DL EBEAU

      Wow, the offense turns the ball over 4 times,scores 3 points and misses a FG and people are blaming the defense.......
      Do some of you even watch these games?
      Lebeau played bend dont break but who was he supposed to send after the QB?
      Timmons and Farrior get nada up the middle with that played out cross blitz,Timmons gets blocked by running backs,Woodley played on a bum hamstring and at least sniffed the QB a few times.
      Hood is starting to look as slow as Hampton and takes off just as many plays...
      So blame Lebeau
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      • steelz09
        Administrator
        • Jan 2008
        • 4675

        #48
        Re: GREAT job DL EBEAU

        Originally posted by fezziwig
        I agree about the defense should not have this loss placed on them. I do wonder why they didn't put more pressure on Smith and why they played off the receivers so far or at least, it seemed that way to me.

        Why didn't Arians afford Starks some help ? Having someone give their rusher a little chip shot could have helped.
        That would require Arians to have in game adjustments and problem solving abilities. Your asking for way too much.
        Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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        • NorthCoast
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          • Sep 2008
          • 26636

          #49
          Re: GREAT job DL EBEAU

          My take, it was a coaching FAIL on both sides. LeBeau playing the same old tired 10 yd cushion and they took advantage and BA up to his usual lame gameplan of RUTF sprinkled with a few 20 yd routes that had no chance of completion cause the pass rush was on Ben before they even made there breaks.
          Ben was awful, should not have played and that is a coaching FAIL as well. A 50% Ben can't be as good as a 100% Batch or Dixon can it? If that is the case why have them on the roster?

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          • pittpete
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            • Aug 2008
            • 6825

            #50
            Re: GREAT job DL EBEAU

            The defense held them to 6 first half points with 2 offensive turnovers
            Argggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!
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            • AngryAsian
              Hall of Famer
              • May 2008
              • 3010

              #51
              Re: GREAT job DL EBEAU

              Originally posted by pittpete
              The defense held them to 6 first half points with 2 offensive turnovers
              Argggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!
              The defense was tired midway through the 3rd and looked pathetic in the 4th... but make no mistake, plenty of blame on both sides of the ball. Offensive execution was crap but the schemes were pathetic. How you can keep trying to run up the middle with the stoutest run D in the league is beyond me... couldn't remember one play where the guards pulled to the outside, which is Mendy's strength (the only one he has). Its like we have no imagination trying to game plan for whatever defense we are up against. With the exception of the patchwork line, we have the weaponry to be successful on offense, but we still keep stumbling... I see nothing innovative to address the deficiencies. Is that not a coordinators job to see that he has x - number of players with particular skill sets and so we must change the game plan... none of this going on.

              As for our defense, it seems that we are doing a better job of inserting the pieces due to either injury or missing players but still look a step too slow. And with our age on D, our offense needs to help them out by sustaining drives. We control the tempo on offense then our D can come in aggressive and fresh. But last night was ridiculous... SF's time of possession surely hammered us.

              Blame both sides of the ball, both coordinators, Tomlin for SEEMINGLY NOT making any in game adjustments... once again to reiterate... what we saw last night was not worthy of a Championship much less a playoff win. A collective team crapper.

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              • fezziwig
                Hall of Famer
                • Jan 2009
                • 3515

                #52
                Re: GREAT job DL EBEAU

                I would love to see Heyward getmore playing time.

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                • feltdizz
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                  • May 2008
                  • 27531

                  #53
                  Re: GREAT job DL EBEAU

                  Originally posted by pittpete
                  Wow, the offense turns the ball over 4 times,scores 3 points and misses a FG and people are blaming the defense.......
                  Do some of you even watch these games?
                  Lebeau played bend dont break but who was he supposed to send after the QB?
                  Timmons and Farrior get nada up the middle with that played out cross blitz,Timmons gets blocked by running backs,Woodley played on a bum hamstring and at least sniffed the QB a few times.
                  Hood is starting to look as slow as Hampton and takes off just as many plays...

                  So blame Lebeau
                  Sounds like you are blaming Lebeau since he is using tired blitz schemes and bum sauce players.
                  Steelers 27
                  Rats 16

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                  • steelblood
                    Hall of Famer
                    • May 2008
                    • 4166

                    #54
                    Re: GREAT job DL EBEAU

                    While I agree that the scheme was rather vanilla, I do think that had something to do with missing our most versatile player.

                    But, the defense was not the reason we lost. If Ben doesn't fumble inside our twenty late in the game, we may hold the 49ers to 13 points, 16 at worst. That is not a bad outing at all.

                    I don't care how injured Ben is; he can't turn the ball over 4 times to a team with a ball control, low scoring offense. Ben didn't dump the ball off to open underneath receivers and outlet TEs and RBs all night. Wallace was not aggressive when going after 50/50 balls (especially the deep pass he could have easily drawn PI at the one).
                    Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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                    • feltdizz
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                      • May 2008
                      • 27531

                      #55
                      Re: GREAT job DL EBEAU

                      Originally posted by steelblood
                      While I agree that the scheme was rather vanilla, I do think that had something to do with missing our most versatile player.

                      But, the defense was not the reason we lost. If Ben doesn't fumble inside our twenty late in the game, we may hold the 49ers to 13 points, 16 at worst. That is not a bad outing at all.

                      I don't care how injured Ben is; he can't turn the ball over 4 times to a team with a ball control, low scoring offense. Ben didn't dump the ball off to open underneath receivers and outlet TEs and RBs all night. Wallace was not aggressive when going after 50/50 balls (especially the deep pass he could have easily drawn PI at the one).
                      Steelers 27
                      Rats 16

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                      • ikestops85
                        Hall of Famer
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 3724

                        #56
                        Re: GREAT job DL EBEAU

                        Originally posted by Oviedo
                        Glad to see after almost three years some other folks are finally getting on board and seeing the reality of our defense. We pad our stats against bad teams and struggle against play off caliber teams. Alex "Freakin" Smith moved the ball between the 20s like he owned us. Thank the lord the 49ers are a terrible red zone team or this would have been a total blow out.

                        The LeBeau scheme doesn't work without blitzing and our DC has apparently forgot what a blitz is.
                        C'mon O ... this is getting ridiculous. Please name me all of the defenses that have played better than LeBeau's over the last 3 years. I'm having trouble naming any but you might come up with a couple. It's obvious you don't like the system but in this offense friendly league it's been wildly successful.
                        As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.

                        but Go Steelers!!!

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                        • frankthetank1
                          Hall of Famer
                          • May 2008
                          • 2755

                          #57
                          Re: GREAT job DL EBEAU

                          what i dont understand is why we never see the same scheme they used against the pats. why cant they play more man coverage? ive always thought ike is better in man and i think gay is better in man coverage as well. at least play a little of both and mix things up.

                          the defense overall played well monday night but the 10 yard cushions dont work when there is zero pressure on the qb. even colt mccoy played well up until he threw the pick to gay in the endzone. wouldnt it make sense if the same scheme is effective on the pats who have one of the best offenses in the nfl then it would be effective on most teams?

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                          • feltdizz
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 27531

                            #58
                            Re: GREAT job DL EBEAU

                            Originally posted by frankthetank1
                            what i dont understand is why we never see the same scheme they used against the pats. why cant they play more man coverage? ive always thought ike is better in man and i think gay is better in man coverage as well. at least play a little of both and mix things up.

                            the defense overall played well monday night but the 10 yard cushions dont work when there is zero pressure on the qb. even colt mccoy played well up until he threw the pick to gay in the endzone. wouldnt it make sense if the same scheme is effective on the pats who have one of the best offenses in the nfl then it would be effective on most teams?
                            You can't bump and run Crabtree or Davis...

                            We had success vs the Pats because we finally switched our D up. I'm pretty sure they were expecting the same old D from Lebeau.

                            Gotta remember we played the Pats at home and were amped up, they were missing one of their TE's, Faulk was just coming off an injury and the midget RB was hurt.... and Ike locked up Welker. I think if you lock up Welker, Brady turns into a mediocre QB.

                            We tried to play tight vs the Rats and got burned... most teams have much better WR's then the Pats. The Pats are all about tempo. The Rats, SF and Houston all have RB's who can control the clock and pound it on us.
                            Steelers 27
                            Rats 16

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                            • pittpete
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                              • Aug 2008
                              • 6825

                              #59
                              Re: GREAT job DL EBEAU

                              Sounds like you are blaming Lebeau since he is using tired blitz schemes and bum sauce players.
                              What is a sauce player?
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                              • feltdizz
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 27531

                                #60
                                Re: GREAT job DL EBEAU

                                Originally posted by pittpete
                                Sounds like you are blaming Lebeau since he is using tired blitz schemes and bum sauce players.
                                What is a sauce player?
                                lol.. bum sauce = butt juice = doo doo = sh$#%
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