For the Record, Mike Wallace isnt the fastest man in the NFL

[Dee Dub]

Re: For the Record, Mike Wallace isnt the fastest man in the

One day to the next are very different.

I guarantee you that Chris Johnson isn't running that fast anymore, neither is McFadden. Yesterday is not today.

You can't look at 40 times from years ago to make that determination. And the difference between 4.28 and 4.3 are minuscule. So close that if they ran side by side, the more competitive person would likely win most of the time.

I beg to differ. Wallace didnt run a 4.3 he ran a 4.33. And Johnson ran a 4.24. There is a huge difference in the difference of those too. I doubt very seriously if Johnson has lost all that much over the course of the past few years.

the difference between 4.3 and 4.24 is huge if you are in the olympics...

Again...it's not 4.3 it's 4.33. And on a football field it's about a yard and a half. What happens when a player gets out in front by a yard and and half with this type of speed?

See ya.

[flippy]

Re: For the Record, Mike Wallace isnt the fastest man in the

4.2, 4.3, 4.4, they're all fast, but they are in shorts and t-shirts.

And speed's important, but it's a small % of how someone performs.

Football is probably 60% mental, 30% recovery/pain threshold, and 10% athleticism of which speed is a small component.

There are many elite players at every position that do not have elite speed.

Granted, freakish speed can help, but it's not the be all end all.

On the same note, if you're a skill player running a 4.6 or slower, that guy likely has some limitations.

[jj28west]

Re: For the Record, Mike Wallace isnt the fastest man in the

You probably saw this infamous thread [url="http://www.gridironstuds.com/blog/the-fastest-40-yard-dash-ever/comment-page-1/"]http://www.gridironstuds.com/blog/the-f ... nt-page-1/[/url]

but it looks like Deion was pretty damn fast.

The Steelers had a kid from Georgia that was fast but got cut a couple years ago. Having said this Torry Smith definately has killer speed also.

[Shoe]

Re: For the Record, Mike Wallace isnt the fastest man in the

My 40 is awful at this point.

But i bet no one on this board could cover me.

I will most assuradly blanket you... and I'm a broken down loser.

[WindyCitySteel]

Re: For the Record, Mike Wallace isnt the fastest man in the

Straight line speed in shorts doesn't mean d!ck on the football field. Steve Largent was slow, but routinely got wide open with quickness and sharp cuts. You make the defensive back hesitate for a second on a cut and you're wide open.

[SteelAbility]

Re: For the Record, Mike Wallace isnt the fastest man in the

A 40 time on a track from a sprinter's stance in shorts is much different from game speed in full pads. The combine 40 time is horribly overrated.

Excellent point Ruthless. Troy Polamalu ran a 4.37 40 but there isnt a faster, quicker player in all of the NFL on the field. He has the best closing speed there is.

But, I will say this, all of these players I listed (and their 40 times), were all timed at the same venue under the same conditions and there is a huge difference between a 4.24 40 and a 4.33 40.

The problem is the variations in reaction time to the sound of the gun. In a combine format, the gun sound occurs anywhere between time X and time Y with a few seconds of spread in X and Y. One guy could be having a particularly good day reacting while another guy doesn't.

In game situations, where receivers already know the snap count, that reaction time variation is more neutralized/equalized.

What is really needed to tell who is fastest is a technology that detects a player's motion and starts time at the start of motion. Then, you could measure 10-time, 15-time, 20-time, 30-time, 40-time with very little variation (on a given player) from run to run. You could then measure reaction time separately. Obviously reaction time to a gun is a valuable metric. Having both separately will give you a very good feel for a player's effectiveness.

The 10-time, in particular is very useful. Almost every DB in the league could run down Barry Sanders, but none of them could beat him in the first 10-yards. Low gears. High gears. Sanders had insane low gears. At 5'8" he could easily dunk a basketball two-handed.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: For the Record, Mike Wallace isnt the fastest man in the

how the heck did jerry rice evere break open or run away from defenders on short routes

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: For the Record, Mike Wallace isnt the fastest man in the

A 40 time on a track from a sprinter's stance in shorts is much different from game speed in full pads. The combine 40 time is horribly overrated.

Excellent point Ruthless. Troy Polamalu ran a 4.37 40 but there isnt a faster, quicker player in all of the NFL on the field. He has the best closing speed there is.

But, I will say this, all of these players I listed (and their 40 times), were all timed at the same venue under the same conditions and there is a huge difference between a 4.24 40 and a 4.33 40.

The problem is the variations in reaction time to the sound of the gun. In a combine format, the gun sound occurs anywhere between time X and time Y with a few seconds of spread in X and Y. One guy could be having a particularly good day reacting while another guy doesn't.

In game situations, where receivers already know the snap count, that reaction time variation is more neutralized/equalized.

What is really needed to tell who is fastest is a technology that detects a player's motion and starts time at the start of motion. Then, you could measure 10-time, 15-time, 20-time, 30-time, 40-time with very little variation (on a given player) from run to run. You could then measure reaction time separately. Obviously reaction time to a gun is a valuable metric. Having both separately will give you a very good feel for a player's effectiveness.

The 10-time, in particular is very useful. Almost every DB in the league could run down Barry Sanders, but none of them could beat him in the first 10-yards. Low gears. High gears. Sanders had insane low gears. At 5'8" he could easily dunk a basketball two-handed.

There is no starting gun at the combine. The stopwatch starts on player motion.

[SteelAbility]

Re: For the Record, Mike Wallace isnt the fastest man in the

A 40 time on a track from a sprinter's stance in shorts is much different from game speed in full pads. The combine 40 time is horribly overrated.

Excellent point Ruthless. Troy Polamalu ran a 4.37 40 but there isnt a faster, quicker player in all of the NFL on the field. He has the best closing speed there is.

But, I will say this, all of these players I listed (and their 40 times), were all timed at the same venue under the same conditions and there is a huge difference between a 4.24 40 and a 4.33 40.

The problem is the variations in reaction time to the sound of the gun. In a combine format, the gun sound occurs anywhere between time X and time Y with a few seconds of spread in X and Y. One guy could be having a particularly good day reacting while another guy doesn't.

In game situations, where receivers already know the snap count, that reaction time variation is more neutralized/equalized.

What is really needed to tell who is fastest is a technology that detects a player's motion and starts time at the start of motion. Then, you could measure 10-time, 15-time, 20-time, 30-time, 40-time with very little variation (on a given player) from run to run. You could then measure reaction time separately. Obviously reaction time to a gun is a valuable metric. Having both separately will give you a very good feel for a player's effectiveness.

The 10-time, in particular is very useful. Almost every DB in the league could run down Barry Sanders, but none of them could beat him in the first 10-yards. Low gears. High gears. Sanders had insane low gears. At 5'8" he could easily dunk a basketball two-handed.

There is no starting gun at the combine. The stopwatch starts on player motion.

Uggh. Did not know that.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: For the Record, Mike Wallace isnt the fastest man in the

A 40 time on a track from a sprinter's stance in shorts is much different from game speed in full pads. The combine 40 time is horribly overrated.

Excellent point Ruthless. Troy Polamalu ran a 4.37 40 but there isnt a faster, quicker player in all of the NFL on the field. He has the best closing speed there is.

But, I will say this, all of these players I listed (and their 40 times), were all timed at the same venue under the same conditions and there is a huge difference between a 4.24 40 and a 4.33 40.

The problem is the variations in reaction time to the sound of the gun. In a combine format, the gun sound occurs anywhere between time X and time Y with a few seconds of spread in X and Y. One guy could be having a particularly good day reacting while another guy doesn't.

In game situations, where receivers already know the snap count, that reaction time variation is more neutralized/equalized.

What is really needed to tell who is fastest is a technology that detects a player's motion and starts time at the start of motion. Then, you could measure 10-time, 15-time, 20-time, 30-time, 40-time with very little variation (on a given player) from run to run. You could then measure reaction time separately. Obviously reaction time to a gun is a valuable metric. Having both separately will give you a very good feel for a player's effectiveness.

The 10-time, in particular is very useful. Almost every DB in the league could run down Barry Sanders, but none of them could beat him in the first 10-yards. Low gears. High gears. Sanders had insane low gears. At 5'8" he could easily dunk a basketball two-handed.

There is no starting gun at the combine. The stopwatch starts on player motion.

Uggh. Did not know that.

No problem. One of our scouts, Mark Gorscak, is the guy at the combine every year in Indianapolis who makes sure the players don't flinch at all before they start running.