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  • Mister Pittsburgh
    Hall of Famer
    • Jul 2008
    • 3674

    Mike Wallace last season as a Steeler?

    Do you guys think that this will be Mike Wallace last season as a Steeler? He is a free agent at years end if I am not mistaken. I think it would cost too much to bring him back and he will more than likely end up playing somewhere else after this season. I would rather bolster the OL and defense by letting him walk and unloading some veteran weight this offseason.

    What would the savings be if we got rid of:
    Ward - Hampton - Farrior - Aaron Smith - Kemo?

    To me there is something wrong with the Steelers offensively where they can't fully run a wide open offense even though they have more weapons then 95% of the teams out there. I, like most on here, can't seem to figure out if it is Ben that holds them back, or Arians, or the OL, heck, maybe it is the Rooney's love of old school football that has prevented them from going wide open. But whatever it is, something holds them back. So with that in mind I would rather let the flash go, dump Arians, and get an OC that can appreciate a good FB and bolster the OL to go back to a run first team.

    I would prefer they go wide open offense, but don't think they have the ability to do it even though all the cogs seem to be there.

    Something is very wrong when you have a top 5 franchise QB, a decent stable of RB's, possibly the fastest WR in the entire league in Mike Wallace, Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, Hines Ward, Jerico Cotchery, Heath Miller, Weslye Saunders, .....and then you put up 13 points on the 27th ranked defense in the league.

    If they refuse to open it up, then go back to their roots and go run first instead of only going halfway with both styles of play.
    @_Hellgrammite
  • aggiebones
    Pro Bowler
    • Jan 2009
    • 1427

    #2
    Re: Mike Wallace last season as a Steeler?

    There will be quite a bit of dancing in meeting rooms and on the football field before anything is decided about Mike Wallace.

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    • Slapstick
      Rookie
      • May 2008
      • 0

      #3
      Re: Mike Wallace last season as a Steeler?

      Wallace will be an RFA at season's end...I believe that he will be a Steeler next year unless some team gives up at least a 1st round pick and probably more...

      IMO, the Steelers are TOO wide open...they already pass 60% of the time...I would just like to see them use the short passing game more consistently instead of going long so much...
      Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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      • SanAntonioSteelerFan
        Legend
        • May 2008
        • 8361

        #4
        Re: Mike Wallace last season as a Steeler?

        My perhaps naive impression is that if we could just run more reliably, we would score 10-14 points more per game.

        Seems like the opposing Ds are daring us to run or make short passes across the middle by playing our speed demons 10-15 yards off the line.

        Actually, I think we could score close to 10-14 points more per game even now ... by playing the middle of the field with Heath, Brown, Ward, etc. I seem to remember we did that pretty successfully against the *s just a few short weeks ago. Not sure why we don't seem to have the ability to turn that on and off as dictated by the defenses we're seeing on any given Sunday, or any given quarter really.

        Just my

        Oh ... and


        We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

        HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

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        • steelblood
          Hall of Famer
          • May 2008
          • 4166

          #5
          Re: Mike Wallace last season as a Steeler?

          I believe the high tender is still a first and a third round pick. Slap him with that and see if we can work out a deal. If not, at least we will get something in return. Wallace is a great vertical threat. But, many speed merchants have short careers in the NFL. It would set us back if he left, but I don't want to give the guy anything more than a 4 year contract as his speed advantage will likely be fading as he approaches 30.
          Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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          • Mister Pittsburgh
            Hall of Famer
            • Jul 2008
            • 3674

            #6
            Re: Mike Wallace last season as a Steeler?

            Did something happen under the new CBA? Mike Wallace was drafted in 2009 and signed to a 3 year contract. He played 2009, 2010, and 1011 seasons. That is 3 years, no? I guess I don't really understand how RFA works then. I thought if you signed a 3 year deal and played 3 years you were a free agent.
            @_Hellgrammite

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            • RuthlessBurgher
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 33208

              #7
              Re: Mike Wallace last season as a Steeler?

              Originally posted by Mister Pittsburgh
              Did something happen under the new CBA? Mike Wallace was drafted in 2009 and signed to a 3 year contract. He played 2009, 2010, and 1011 seasons. That is 3 years, no? I guess I don't really understand how RFA works then. I thought if you signed a 3 year deal and played 3 years you were a free agent.
              You need to have 4 years to reach unrestricted free agency. After his 3 year rookie contract expires, he'll be a restricted free agent. Other teams can offer him a contract, and if he signs their offer sheet, then we can choose to match it and retain him (or else let him leave and get draft pick compensation dependant on the level of our initial tender offer...which should be the highest RFA tender amount).

              If we can't resign him to a long term contract this offseason, we'll keep him in 2012 with a high RFA tender.

              If we can't resign him to a long term contract next offseason, we'll keep him in 2013 with a franchise tag.
              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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              • Mister Pittsburgh
                Hall of Famer
                • Jul 2008
                • 3674

                #8
                Re: Mike Wallace last season as a Steeler?

                Thanks! I am obviously not up to snuff with my contract knowledge to be creating threads based on that very information . Apologies....
                @_Hellgrammite

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                • WindyCitySteel
                  Legend
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 15684

                  #9
                  Re: Mike Wallace last season as a Steeler?

                  If he ends up in New England next year I'm taking hostages.

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                  • grotonsteel
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 2810

                    #10
                    Re: Mike Wallace last season as a Steeler?

                    Steelers better sign Wallace/Brown long term.

                    Time to splash money on Offensive side of the ball.
                    Steelers Draft 2015
                    Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
                    Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
                    Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
                    Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
                    Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
                    Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
                    Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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                    • phillyesq
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 7568

                      #11
                      Re: Mike Wallace last season as a Steeler?

                      A big question with Wallace is whether the first and third round tender is enough to keep him. I don't know what they have for next year, but the pats* always seem to have a ton of picks, and seem to miss terribly lately on the few they've actually used to select players.

                      Knowning that you'll probably blow the pick anybody, what is to stop NE from offering Wallace a huge deal? Their offense, with the TEs, the possesion receivers, and suddenly somebody that will take the top off a D becomes lethal.

                      I think Wallace has to be a top priority for the Steelers. He has had a few quiet weeks, and an awful game at KC, but his deep speed opens things up for everybody else underneath.

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                      • aggiebones
                        Pro Bowler
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 1427

                        #12
                        Re: Mike Wallace last season as a Steeler?

                        We will negotiate with him in the offseason.

                        He will try to break the bank at first, then we will give him a tender offer. To get him away, someone will have the give us their #1 & 3 to get him. AND they will have to offer him such a huge contract that we wouldn't want to match it.

                        Now, how many teams are going to give him an obscene amount of money AND give us 2 top picks. Noone....

                        And even if they wanted to try a good contract and give us the picks, they know we would just match. Thus its a waste of their time to do the negotiations. And noone will do it.


                        ...unless someone REALLY wants him for a bank breaking contract and 2 picks. He's good. He ain't that good.

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                        • Slapstick
                          Rookie
                          • May 2008
                          • 0

                          #13
                          Re: Mike Wallace last season as a Steeler?

                          New England does not have a history of spending huge amounts of cash on free agents...

                          When they signed Moss, he was coming off a 500 yard season with the Raiders and the Pats* traded a 4th round pick for him. He had to agree to an incentive laden 1 year contract to prove himself before he signed a bigger deal.

                          Other teams will outspend the Pats* for Wallace's services if it comes to that...
                          Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                          • phillyesq
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 7568

                            #14
                            Re: Mike Wallace last season as a Steeler?

                            Originally posted by Slapstick
                            New England does not have a history of spending huge amounts of cash on free agents...

                            When they signed Moss, he was coming off a 500 yard season with the Raiders and the Pats* traded a 4th round pick for him. He had to agree to an incentive laden 1 year contract to prove himself before he signed a bigger deal.

                            Other teams will outspend the Pats* for Wallace's services if it comes to that...
                            I was just using the Pats* as an example, but my basic point was that a team that drafts poorly and has surplus picks might take a shot.

                            The Bungles traditionally don't spend a lot of money, but they will need to spend more to avoid the salary floor. They have extra picks from the Palmer trade and they could stick it to a division rival.

                            Not saying that it is going to happen, but it is a possibility.

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                            • Mister Pittsburgh
                              Hall of Famer
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 3674

                              #15
                              Re: Mike Wallace last season as a Steeler?

                              If the Raiders just gave up a 1st and 2nd for a broken down Carson Palmer.....anything is possible.
                              @_Hellgrammite

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