Is Dick Lebeau Done?

[Dee Dub]

Re: Is bad word Lebeau Done?

I've been noticing for years our inability to generate pressure on opposing team's QBs. We've made many a QB look like Tom Brady/Aaron Rodgers over the last few years.

Our D didn't win the game last night. Palko did. Unfortunately for KC he played horrible. And he just screwed up on his own, not due to our pressure.

And a couple of the INTs were just horrible throws to the Steelers defender.

It wasn't like we were making plays to force turnovers.

The D may have got a lot of TOs, but I don't remember them forcing any of them. Just being fortunate.

Flip...can I make a suggestion? Stop. Just stop! Most Steelers fans are not going to see what you are seeing. LeBeau is a legend who cannot do any wrong.

It is well documented how I have said this over and over and over the past two seasons. LeBeau is forced to do this because of Ryan Clark's inability to cover. If you have a SS like Troy he is going to be used at or near the box or LOS often and thus you must drop your LB's into coverage more times than not because your FS cannot cover. Man on the corners with a deep cover one shell or a deep cover three. That is what the Steelers/LeBeau is forced with.

[feltdizz]

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4 INT's and a fumble recovery and DL is done? We beat the freaking Pats this year with press coverage.

calm down people.. step away from the ledge.

[fordfixer]

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Were we watching the same game? The Steelers held the Chiefs to 9 points. They had a decent drive to open the game, which is not unexpected following a bye week. The Steelers only had 1 sack, but they grabbed three picks and got pretty decent pressure.

Last night was an ugly win, but reading the board, you'd think the Steelers lost.

[Steelerphile]

Re: Is bad word Lebeau Done?

8-3. and with the No. 2 ranked defense in the NFL. It's just totally unacceptable. None of the coaches knows anything. If only the Rooney would realize this. There are a lot of candidates for HC, DC and OC on this very board who would be able to the put the Steelers in a far better position than that.

[7 UP]

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We can't get any pressure on the QB.
Lebeau is old hes not as fast on the corner blitz as he used to be. Oh thats right he didnt play.

We've gone from one of the best Ds to one of the worst overnight.
We gave up 9 points on the road and created 4 turnovers. Worst defense ever!!!!!!

How can you face Tyler Palko and not pressure him? The biggest weakness on this team by far is that for several years now, we haven't been getting consistent pressure on the opposing team's QB.
Look at the injuries we have. Harrisons playing hurt, Woodley is out, and Polomalu is out. If just anybody can replace those guys and play at the same level, then why do those guys get paid so much??????

Yet we stick with the same system and same game plans week in and week out.
I didnt realize you sit in on team meetings. Ever occur to you that there are soo many different coverage variety's deployed by the Steelers, that when adjustments are made, you dont know what you are looking at to see if changes were made or not?

Sure, bad word Lebeau has minimal on his defense. Simply no one out there that dominates play in and play out and creates constant disruption.

And without any superstar player on D any more, passive play calling won't cut it.
I disagree, when you dont have players you have to be much more careful in your playcalling. If you blitz and dont get there, you get beat in coverage its just that simple.

We're at a point where we need a coach who can manufacture pressure with his play calling to cover up for his player's lack of talent. And it seems like bad word has coasted on superior talent for his past success. And now that he has no stud pass rushers, he doesn't know what to do.What you are asking for here is impossible. You are asking for a coach to come in and generate pressure without the players to do so. I give Lebeau all the credit in the world for doing what hes doing with the injuries the defense has had.

I'm at the point where I think Lebeau coud send 11 guys and 5 average Olinemen would easily block all 11 for 5+ seconds.You just made my whole argument for me with your last statment.

[ikestops85]

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I think DL is having one of his best year as a coach. Think about the transition this team is going through. Think about the missed playing time amongst the leaders of this defense. Aaron Smith is gone, Keisel missing significant time, Hampton missing significant time, Farrior with reduced time on the field, Harrison missing significant time and not at 100% when he is on the field, Woodley missing significant time, Troy missing time with his "concussion like symtoms", Lewis and Mundy getting significant time, Cortez Allen getting on the field.

All of that going on and we are still one of the best defenses in the league ... as usual. I think LeBeau is doing an amazing job this year.

[steelz09]

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I'll say it again... this defense is WAAYYY to relient on Polamalu being on the field.

[ikestops85]

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I'll say it again... this defense is WAAYYY to relient on Polamalu being on the field.

But that's like saying the Giants defense was way to reliant on LT playing. When you have talent like those guys you better be reliant on them. Can you imagine what the fans would say if we didn't use Troy? It's just silly to think we shouldn't rely on Troy with the talent he brings to the table.

[feltdizz]

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I'll say it again... this defense is WAAYYY to relient on Polamalu being on the field.

didn't we get 4 TO's and hold KC to 9 points AFTER Troy went out?

[Dee Dub]

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I'll say it again... this defense is WAAYYY to relient on Polamalu being on the field.

But that's like saying the Giants defense was way to reliant on LT playing. When you have talent like those guys you better be reliant on them. Can you imagine what the fans would say if we didn't use Troy? It's just silly to think we shouldn't rely on Troy with the talent he brings to the table.

That's a good point Ike...but LT was responsible for about a third of the field and Troy is more like about 2 thirds of the field. As I have said many times, if the Steelers had a center fielder type who could cover at FS it would greatly change the dynamics of what Lebeau could do or can't do. We would see a lot more pressure coming from the LB's than we do now.

[SteelBucks]

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We've gone from one of the best Ds to one of the worst overnight.

You've got to be kidding me. The Steelers are ranked #3 against the pass, #6 against the rush and #2 in total defense.

You're right, LeBeau is done.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Is bad word Lebeau Done?

We've gone from one of the best Ds to one of the worst overnight.

You've got to be kidding me. The Steelers are ranked #3 against the pass, #6 against the rush and #2 in total defense.

You're right, LeBeau is done.

I certainly dont think LeBeau is done...but what do numbers and rankings really mean? Weren't the San Diego Chargers ranked the number 1 defense in the NFL last year? And really were the the best defense? No...not even close.

[SteelBucks]

Re: Is bad word Lebeau Done?

We've gone from one of the best Ds to one of the worst overnight.

You've got to be kidding me. The Steelers are ranked #3 against the pass, #6 against the rush and #2 in total defense.

You're right, LeBeau is done.

I certainly dont think LeBeau is done...but what do numbers and rankings really mean? Weren't the San Diego Chargers ranked the number 1 defense in the NFL last year? And really were the the best defense? No...not even close.

I agree that stats can be misleading but for a defense to be ranked #2 without sacks or turnovers is impressive. The defense has some holes but it's still one of the best in the league.

[Dee Dub]

Re: Is bad word Lebeau Done?

We've gone from one of the best Ds to one of the worst overnight.

You've got to be kidding me. The Steelers are ranked #3 against the pass, #6 against the rush and #2 in total defense.

You're right, LeBeau is done.

I certainly dont think LeBeau is done...but what do numbers and rankings really mean? Weren't the San Diego Chargers ranked the number 1 defense in the NFL last year? And really were the the best defense? No...not even close.

I agree that stats can be misleading but for a defense to be ranked #2 without sacks or turnovers is impressive. The defense has some holes but it's still one of the best in the league.

Agreed!

[phillyesq]

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I agree that stats can be misleading but for a defense to be ranked #2 without sacks or turnovers is impressive. The defense has some holes but it's still one of the best in the league.

Agreed![/quote]

Perhaps more impressive when you consider that Harrison is still not 100%, Woodley has missed a number of games, and Polamalu missed most of the Chiefs game. Even acknowledging that Harrison may never be 100% again, that is still impressive.