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  • hawaiiansteel
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    • May 2008
    • 35648

    John Clayton: Joe Flacco is an elite QB

    Don't overemphasize his slump

    By John Clayton
    ESPN.com



    Joe Flacco is an elite quarterback. There, I've said it again, and I'm ready for the barrage of criticism.

    The timing of this question couldn't be worse, though. Supporting Flacco during the worst throwing slump of his career makes me feel like a slow-footed receiver trying to go out and succeed on (Darrelle) Revis Island. After the Ravens' opening victory over the Steelers, Flacco went on a five-game slump in which he completed only 44 percent of his passes, and his poor first half against the Cardinals on Sunday had Ravens fans ready to run Flacco out of town.

    Flacco came back using shotgun formation and spread throwing sets that enabled him to lead the greatest comeback in Ravens history, overcoming a 24-3 deficit in what turned out to be a thrilling 30-27 victory. What first turned me on to Flacco was a 2009 game in which he got into a throwing duel with Brett Favre, then a member of the Minnesota Vikings.

    In Minnesota, Flacco generated three fourth-quarter touchdown drives. That forced Favre to counter with a field goal drive that gave the Vikings a lead. Flacco marched the Ravens back into field goal range, but Steven Hauschka missed what should have been the game winner.

    To be an elite quarterback, you need to generate fourth-quarter drives. Flacco has that ability. His poor five-game stretch dropped his completion percentage below his usual 60-plus percent range. It will be interesting to see what offensive coordinator Cam Cameron does now.

    During the offseason and in training camp, Cameron talked about turning the offense over to Flacco the way the Steelers turned Ben Roethlisberger into more of a passing quarterback. The Ravens have serious offensive line problems, and using Flacco in shotgun might help.

    One criticism of Flacco is that he holds on to the ball too long, but part of that is a wide receiver issue. I've seen games in which the Bengals matched up in man coverage against the Ravens' older group of wide receivers. Against that type of coverage, Flacco had to stand in the pocket and watch receivers not separating from defenders, and then wait until RB Ray Rice or a tight end got open.

    General manager Ozzie Newsome tried to help that by trading for Lee Evans and drafting Torrey Smith. Unfortunately for Flacco, Evans has missed most of the season with an ankle injury, and all Smith can do at the moment is run go routes down the sidelines. Against man teams, Flacco doesn't get much help.

    The start of Flacco's season may not have been elite, but I'll still stand by him.

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  • Jigawatts
    Hall of Famer
    • May 2008
    • 2639

    #2
    Re: John Clayton: Joe Flacco is an elite QB

    The Cardinals secondary completely forgot to cover Bolden in the second half. Not to take
    too much away from Flacco because he put the ball where it needed to be, but Bolden also
    made some outstanding catches in that game.

    Flacco elite?

    In a uni-brow growing contest, yes!
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    • RuthlessBurgher
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 33208

      #3
      Re: John Clayton: Joe Flacco is an elite QB

      Perhaps Clayton forgot some spacing and capitalization when he wrote "Joe Flacco is an elite QB."

      I think he meant to say "Eli TE" instead of "elite."

      Yup, that would be Eli Manning's tight end...Jake Ballard.

      Joe Flacco has the quarterbacking skills of Giants' TE Jake Ballard.

      John Clayton should now apologize for insulting Jake Ballard's QB skills.
      Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

      Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

      We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

      We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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      • TallyStiller
        Starter
        • Dec 2008
        • 513

        #4
        Re: John Clayton: Joe Flacco is an elite QB

        Got two words for you, John... "Tyler Palko". As in the guy who beat Flacco out of a job at Pitt and is now carrying a clipboard as somebody's practice squad 4th stringer.

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        • Scarletfire1970
          Pro Bowler
          • May 2008
          • 1138

          #5
          Re: John Clayton: Joe Flacco is an elite QB

          What does elite mean nowadays

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          • Dee Dub
            Hall of Famer
            • Jan 2010
            • 4652

            #6
            Re: John Clayton: Joe Flacco is an elite QB

            Excuse me...and where did John Clayton play football? Exactly!!
            Steelers 2015 Draft???....Go Freak! As in....

            1-Bernardrick McKinney MLB Mississippi State 6 ft 5 250 4.5 40 yard dash

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            • AngryAsian
              Hall of Famer
              • May 2008
              • 3010

              #7
              Re: John Clayton: Joe Flacco is an elite QB

              Put down the crack-pipe, Johnny.... Guess that reunion night out with Sean Salisbury was a little too heavy on the sauce.

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              • RuthlessBurgher
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 33208

                #8
                Re: John Clayton: Joe Flacco is an elite QB

                Originally posted by Dee Dub
                Excuse me...and where did John Clayton play football? Exactly!!
                The South Park Cows?


                Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 10281

                  #9
                  Re: John Clayton: Joe Flacco is an elite QB

                  FWIW this is a point/counterpoint discoussion, so when asked the question somebody had to take the "elite" side. It is not like he went and decided to write an article on his own accord.

                  A more intriguing question is how did this question actually come up?

                  BTW according to the fan poll right now it is 81% against him being elite, 19% living in Maryland
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                  • Ghost
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 6338

                    #10
                    Re: John Clayton: Joe Flacco is an elite QB

                    Here's a mid-season ranking of all the QB's -

                    [url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jim_trotter/11/01/qb.rankings/index.html?sct=nfl_wr_a2[/url]

                    If you don't want to read: Here's his top 5

                    1. Rodgers
                    2. Roethlisberger
                    3. Brady
                    4. Fitzpatrick
                    5. Newton


                    So much for elite....
                    22. Joe Flacco, Ravens: Baltimore thought he would take his game to the next level in his fourth season, but over his last four outings he has thrown for only one TD, with four interceptions, and is on pace to finish with the worst completion percentage and most interceptions of his career.
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                    • NWNewell
                      Backup
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 384

                      #11
                      Re: John Clayton: Joe Flacco is an elite QB

                      Define elite.

                      If he considers the to 10-15 QB's "elite". Then perhaps.

                      Ignoring this year and his "slump", I can name at last 8 active QB's that have better career numbers.

                      I don't know how Clatyon garnered the reputation he has.

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                      • hawaiiansteel
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 35648

                        #12
                        Re: John Clayton: Joe Flacco is an elite QB

                        Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
                        FWIW this is a point/counterpoint discoussion, so when asked the question somebody had to take the "elite" side.

                        BTW according to the fan poll right now it is 81% against him being elite, 19% living in Maryland
                        you are correct, here is the other side of the argument:


                        Inconsistency can't be overlooked

                        By Ashley Fox
                        ESPN.com

                        Joe Flacco is not an elite quarterback. He is good, and he has the potential to be very good. But elite quarterbacks are the great ones, and Flacco, now in his fourth season with the Baltimore Ravens, isn't consistent enough to be considered great.

                        Just look at Flacco's past five games. He has been all over the map. In Week 3 at St. Louis, he threw for 389 yards and three touchdowns, with zero interceptions. The next week against the New York Jets, he misfired on 21 of 31 passes and threw for only 163 yards. Talk about inconsistent: Flacco went two entire quarters without throwing a completion.

                        That is not elite.

                        After a bye, Flacco completed more than 60 percent of his passes for 305 yards against Houston. A week later, he threw for 137 yards in a loss to Jacksonville. Then last week, in a rousing comeback against Arizona, Flacco threw for 336.

                        Hot. Cold. Hot. Cold. Hot.

                        For the season, Flacco has completed a career-low 53.8 percent of his passes, including 46.9 percent in Week 2 at Tennessee, with eight touchdowns and six interceptions. Those aren't elite numbers.

                        Flacco has great size and a big arm and he isn't afraid of contact. He is very good out of the shotgun with short, quick throws. He seems to thrive in a hurry-up situation.

                        But Flacco is not a drop-back passer. He doesn't lead his receivers, and although he has improved his ability to escape pressure, Flacco usually doesn't do much with the ball once he does. He doesn't turn the ball over in those situations, but he doesn't create plays, either.

                        Not everybody gets the "elite" status. It is reserved for consistently great players who throw for a lot of yards, have high completion percentages, avoid turnovers and win games. You know them when you see them. Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady and Drew Brees are at the head of the class. Peyton Manning is there when healthy. Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Michael Vick, Matt Schaub and Philip Rivers, among others, are there, although Rivers is turning the ball over way too much this season. Some young players are making arguments to get into that category, most notably Cam Newton.

                        Flacco wins games. He is 41-21 since 2008 and is tied with Roethlisberger for the most wins, including the playoffs, in that span.

                        Flacco is good, potentially very good. He's just not consistent enough to be considered elite.

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                        • Discipline of Steel
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 3882

                          #13
                          Re: John Clayton: Joe Flacco is an elite QB

                          Joe Flacco is an elite QB if you consider all the QBs on the face of the earth.
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                          • redundantman
                            Backup
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 280

                            #14
                            Re: John Clayton: Joe Flacco is an elite QB

                            Well I certainly am glad we've finally decided that to be the case. Now Joe can get back to focusing on exactly how many ways he will throw picks to the Steelers on Sunday.

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                            • flippy
                              Legend
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 17088

                              #15
                              Re: John Clayton: Joe Flacco is an elite QB

                              The only thing elite about Flacco is his paycheck and his unibrow..
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