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  • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
    Hall of Famer
    • May 2008
    • 3937

    Farrior, Harrison, & Woodley Out...

    Steelers need depth at LB? If the above is true, Foote & Sly start inside with Ivy backing them up. If Worilds can go, Timmons & Worilds start with Carter backing them up. They went with 1 & 1 gameday @ LB but it was the Pats. We all knew nickel would see the field alot so that wasn't a big risk. It is the Ravens now...Will that active number work? Even to complicate things more...Is Worilds 100% and will he play? I hear rumblings they are sniffing for depth. Sniffing could turn into an inhale here if Worilds isn't 100% when they hit the field today. So "WHO" is in & "WHO" is out?

    Best choice in?
    Sign Thaddeus Gibson off Texans PS.

    Given the situation and the guy would get a helmet gameday...Best choice in my opinion. Camp cuts are on the street and who knows if they are in playing shape. I'm sure someone will throw Gholston's name in the hat but the only one out there with knowledge of the system that could play in an emergency & in football shape would be Gibson.


    Best choice out?
    This is a difficult one. All players have to clear waivers now meaning a team could claim them so there is a risk with a young player. Meredith may be a guy who would clear but I hear they like his upside & there is still injury concerns on the OL. All other names would surely not clear. What veterans make sense? All their contracts are guranteed so that isn't the focus. Essex would clear but given Bronco's injury and he can play C he is a no. Hoke? Posibility. Is he still injured and/or are the stingers are a concern? He may very well get a handshake / wink and asked to come back when healthy if he is still injured. However, if he is healthy I don't expect him to go anywhere. Especially if he could play this week. Front 7 depth very important against the Ravens. So I have one more on my radar that makes alot of sense. Given the health of the position, the performance of the youth at the position, where he sits on the depth chart, and given his 2.6 cap number...He will clear waivers. I think certain players showed against the Pats he is expendable. He also may still be on the street if the desire to get him back after some get healthy at LB.

    Release Bryant McFadden.
  • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 10281

    #2
    Re: Farrior, Harrison, & Woodley Out...

    While I agree that BMac is expendable - he might be fifth on the depth chart at this point - I think that the most likely cut would be Hoke (or another injured player in their last year) with a handshake.
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    • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
      Hall of Famer
      • May 2008
      • 3937

      #3
      Re: Farrior, Harrison, & Woodley Out...

      Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.
      While I agree that BMac is expendable - he might be fifth on the depth chart at this point - I think that the most likely cut would be Hoke (or another injured player in their last year) with a handshake.

      I agree as stated. If Hoke can't go this week...He should be the cut.

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      • flippy
        Legend
        • Dec 2008
        • 17088

        #4
        Re: Farrior, Harrison, & Woodley Out...

        Could we use Keisel at OLB?
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        • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
          Hall of Famer
          • May 2008
          • 3937

          #5
          Re: Farrior, Harrison, & Woodley Out...

          Originally posted by flippy
          Could we use Keisel at OLB?

          Strongside LOLB ala Kevin Greene and start Heyward / McClendon at RDE??? There is an interesting thought.

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          • Slapstick
            Rookie
            • May 2008
            • 0

            #6
            Re: Farrior, Harrison, & Woodley Out...

            Keisel worked out at OLB in the past, but has never played there...

            He does play as a stand up rusher on passing downs (he moved over to the left side on the final offensive play of the game for the Pats...look what happened!!)...
            Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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            • BradshawsHairdresser
              Legend
              • Dec 2008
              • 7056

              #7
              Re: Farrior, Harrison, & Woodley Out...

              Don't you think that Ray Rice and Joe Whacco are salivating at the news that Farrior, Harrison and Woodley are out for this game?

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              • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                Hall of Famer
                • May 2008
                • 3937

                #8
                Re: Farrior, Harrison, & Woodley Out...

                Originally posted by BradshawsHairdresser
                Don't you think that Ray Rice and Joe Whacco are salivating at the news that Farrior, Harrison and Woodley are out for this game?
                I think they are celebrating too much with each other in the shower after every practice after hearing this news.

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                • SteelBucks
                  Legend
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 8075

                  #9
                  Re: Farrior, Harrison, & Woodley Out...

                  Woodley sidelined for Ravens game, maybe more

                  Tuesday, November 01, 2011
                  By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
                  LaMarr Woodley's hamstring injury is "not good," a team source told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, and he could miss an extended period of time -- further weakening an already depleted linebacker corps.

                  Woodley will not play against the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday at Heinz Field and will likely miss the following game against the Cincinnati Bengals, meaning he probably won't return until after the Nov. 20 bye week.

                  He was injured in the third quarter in the 25-17 victory against the New England Patriots when he fell to the ground trying to rush quarterback Tom Brady. The incident was similar to when Houston Texans wide receiver Andre Johnson injured his hamstring and collapsed to the ground while running with the ball in a game against the Steelers last month. Johnson has missed the past four games.

                  Coach Mike Tomlin could update Woodley's injury today during his weekly televised news conference.

                  The Steelers played against the Patriots without linebackers James Harrison, James Farrior and backup Jason Worilds. When Woodley was injured, rookie outside linebacker Chris Carter replaced him.



                  Read more: [url="http://post-gazette.com/pg/11305/1186660-100.stm#ixzz1cT9tGT4y"]http://post-gazette.com/pg/11305/118666 ... z1cT9tGT4y[/url]

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                  • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                    Hall of Famer
                    • May 2008
                    • 3937

                    #10
                    Re: Farrior, Harrison, & Woodley Out...

                    Originally posted by Slapstick
                    Keisel worked out at OLB in the past, but has never played there...

                    He does play as a stand up rusher on passing downs (he moved over to the left side on the final offensive play of the game for the Pats...look what happened!!)...
                    Well his strength at LOLB would be against the run which is what concerns me about any healthy LB left on the roster. He wouldn't be Woodley on the pass rush but DL could get pressure from stunts and blitzes from whomever is on the field in nickel & dime. When you think of Woodley you think of pass rush but he is by far the best run defender from the LOLB spot. Against the Ravens, that is really what will be most important for the D to be productive by getting them in 2nd & long. If the Ravens are seeing 2nd & 5 or less...Getting to Flacco will be very difficult no matter who is starting. You just leave too many plays in the Ravens playbook to defend. This game will hinge on the Steelers run D and getting the O back on the field. I feel the Steelers O will be able to move the ball through the air and put up points but if the Ravens control the LOS and run the ball...They will limit our posessions. Expect some Redzone woes and settling for FGs so the Steelers need to "stack up" posessions to put up points. If Rice is putting them in 2nd and medium or short and carries the ball 25 times or more...."Stacking up" posessions will be very difficult without turnovers. Maybe this is the game the Steelers D turns on that switch too.

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                    • Mister Pittsburgh
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 3674

                      #11
                      Re: Farrior, Harrison, & Woodley Out...

                      Trade the Cardinals a 7th rounder for Porter. Dude could step right in....or is the trade deadline past already?

                      I was thinking about Keisel at OLB yesterday after hearing Woodley is out......Would be a surprise move and he is a very athletic big man.
                      @_Hellgrammite

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                      • JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                        Hall of Famer
                        • May 2008
                        • 3937

                        #12
                        Re: Farrior, Harrison, & Woodley Out...

                        Originally posted by Mister Pittsburgh
                        Trade the Cardinals a 7th rounder for Porter. Dude could step right in....or is the trade deadline past already?

                        I was thinking about Keisel at OLB yesterday after hearing Woodley is out......Would be a surprise move and he is a very athletic big man.
                        It has passed. Given the Steelers cap situation, whomever they sign has to be a guy who won't have to be paid vet min.

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                        • Slapstick
                          Rookie
                          • May 2008
                          • 0

                          #13
                          Re: Farrior, Harrison, & Woodley Out...

                          Ivy is already on the team...

                          He played all three LB positions in WVU's defense...wasn't he playing OLB for the Steelers?
                          Actually, my post was NOT about you...but, if the shoe fits, feel free to lace that &!+€# up and wear it.

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                          • Pahn711
                            Backup
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 373

                            #14
                            Re: Farrior, Harrison, & Woodley Out...

                            Originally posted by JUST-PLAIN-NASTY
                            When you think of Woodley you think of pass rush but he is by far the best run defender from the LOLB spot. Against the Ravens, that is really what will be most important for the D to be productive by getting them in 2nd & long. If the Ravens are seeing 2nd & 5 or less...Getting to Flacco will be very difficult no matter who is starting. You just leave too many plays in the Ravens playbook to defend. This game will hinge on the Steelers run D and getting the O back on the field.
                            Flacco has been inconsistent throwing the ball and considering how well our pass D has been, this could very well come down to how we play against the run. With Woodley and Harrison both out, it becomes even more crucial that the D line adjust to the chop blocks from last game and better free up the linebackers to make plays against the run. Lebeau proved against the Pats hes ready to make the necessary adjustments, so I have confidence he will do the same here.
                            Some people subscribe to a permanent stasis of wishful thinking. They like to believe the world is made of marshmallows and filled with butterflies. I don't.

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                            • RuthlessBurgher
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 33208

                              #15
                              Re: Farrior, Harrison, & Woodley Out...

                              Originally posted by Mister Pittsburgh
                              Trade the Cardinals a 7th rounder for Porter. Dude could step right in....or is the trade deadline past already?

                              I was thinking about Keisel at OLB yesterday after hearing Woodley is out......Would be a surprise move and he is a very athletic big man.
                              Trade deadline passed.

                              But I do like the idea of practicing Keisel at strongside OLB this week in case Worilds can't go. That's the type of thinking outside the box that would help us get all of our best players on the field when we are without several of our big money superstars.

                              In that case, though, if Hoke is also still unable to go, you'd likely need to bring Corbin Bryant back up from the practice squad to provide DL depth (while also keeping Mortty Ivy on the active roster for LB depth), so you'd still need to sacrifice a vet like McFadden anyway.

                              You'd have Keisel in Woodley's spot, Foote in Timmons' spot, Sylvester in Farrior's spot, and Timmons in Harrison's spot, with Carter available for outside depth and Ivy for inside depth. Then you'd have the Triple H crew on the DL...Hood-Hampton-Heyward, with McLendon and Bryant as depth (assuming that Hoke can't go). Certainly not optimal, but I think that looks functional to me.

                              If they keep Keisel at DE, then nabbing Thad Gibson of the Houston P.S. also sounds like a reasonable solution for OLB depth (then you wouldn't need to promote Corbin Bryant). I'm just not thrilled with the thought of having to play an entire game with Timmons moving over to strongside backer in Woodley's place, Carter starting in Harrison's weakside spot, and Thad Gibson, only on the team for a few days, as our only backup option there (although some experience with LeBeau's system going through one training camp with us is better than nothing, it is certainly not optimal...he's been playing in a 3-4 D in Houston, but Wade Phillips' scheme is fundamentally different than Dick LeBeau's scheme, even though they are both a base 3-4.
                              Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                              Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                              We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                              We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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