GBNREPORT's Latest 2012 Mock Draft!

[NJ-STEELER]

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if someone is being compared favorably to Ngata. he isnt going to fall out of the top 10 draft picks

drafting a DL like him or suh is a no brainer

[NJ-STEELER]

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[quote=Dee Dub][quote="JUST-PLAIN-NASTY":3tfl7oyt]

did everyone forget about sylvester.

i'd like to see him get a shot before spending another premium pick on ILB

Sylvester has his role and he isn't going anywhere. With the injuries at LB and not seeing him sniff the field on D tells me he still has some growing to do. He may be a solid back-up & ST ace and there is room for that kind of LB. If you scratch Farrior from the 2012 line-up...I don't like the Buck depth. I like Timmons at Mack because of his range. I don't think Foote is anything more than a backup or emergency starter at Buck and I don't think Sylvester is a Buck. They might have plans for Timmons at Buck because of his ability to cover but I think he is growing nicely where he is at. If there is a graded NT & ILB on the board in the 1st 3 rounds they like....I don't think they pass.[/quote:3tfl7oyt]


And besides, has Sylvester proven himself as a bonafide guy the organization knows can be plugged in as a starter next year? I like the guy too, however, we hear about the progress of guys like Hood and Heyward (the organization has raved about them at times), we really arent hearing that about Sylvester, are we?[/quote:3tfl7oyt]

missed this before

i heard the guys on the pre game raido show say "he's a player"

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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The problem with debating with you is that you don't use facts. You state your opinion as if it is a fact, but it's just a point of view. Which is fine, that's what this board is for. But to prove a theory as valid, you need to address the actual statistics at some point.

The problem debating with me is I use facts from observations and knowing football. I don't use statistics to prove a point when statistics are influenced by cumulative events. If you are one who only uses stats to prove a theory as valid youR football IQ will be exposed. If you have watched all of the 2011 games and can sit here and say that the OL is still the biggest concern than you are a stat worm. Chemistry was disrupted early with injuries along the OL. A rookie was forced to start and the Steelers had to bring a vet back in off the streets. They also found out they made a mistake thinking Scott can hold down the LT spot and now even when healthy has lost his starting spot to Starks & a rookie. It is no longer the biggest need on the interior of the OL. They have bigger problems which are evident and could become more destructive as the season goes on.

It is no secret how I feel. I was one all for trading up for Mike Pouncey because that was the Steelers biggest need. I undertood the influence of a defense who yielded 63 yards per game on the ground would have on a secondary who was only average at the spot opposite Ike and an injury hampered Troy. As seen in my mock on the first page, I have a G as the 2nd or 3rd pick depending how they grade out & who is available. As they season goes down the stretch, It could be ILB & NT 1-2.

Let's look at what we know. Pouncey is Pouncey and will be here for his career. Colon is locked up long term. The Steelers won't know anything otherwise until he hits the field again in 2012. So Colon is entrenched at RT. Gilbert has been deemed the starter of teh future at LT barring any setbacks at his development. So pencil him in there. Starks & Scott could very well still be the plans down the road as valuable depth. I believe Kemo is not living up to expectations or his contract and his knee has become a concern. He may be playing to stick around which is why I still believe a G is a need. Foster, who looks in great shape and appears to look better on the move & in space could turn into something here. I'm throwing his name back in the hat based upon what I have seen so far in 2011. Legursky has his strong points and weaknesses but he is liked. Meredith could benefit from sticking in a system and his best position in my opinion is LG. Scott was thought enough to be placed on the PS so he and Turner will be in the mix. Upgardes? Of course....But the have other things on their plate that need to be addressed that could fall right into their laps come draft day.

The Steelers have been stout against the run which in turn had offenses attacking the secondary which is the smart thing to do by any DC. The Steelers secondary have been taking the heat for this over the last several years. Any coach will tell you the goal is to make them one dimensional and taking away the run is the goal. Doesn't matter if it is your "New NFL" or anything you want to lable it. A team wants to run the football for various reasons which is football 101 & I'm hoping you know why. The Steelers run defense have allowed them to do this for many years. No matter how bad the secondary has been labeled the Steelers have taken their ability to stop the run and turned it into playoffs births, divisional & conference titles, SB appearance & SB Titles. The same can be said for the "lacking" OL. Since you seem to be all about the stats...Let me speak your language and use stats to open your eyes.

2010 Steelers D gave up 3.0 YPC while yielding 62.8 YPG. The 2011 Steekers D is giving up 4.5 YPC while yielding 107.1 YPG. That's 1.5 YPC and 44 yards. The Steelers have gone from ranking #1 in both those stats in 2010 to ranking #18 in YPC to #11 in YPG. The two teams with winning records we lost to....BAL 31-170-5.5 & HOU 35-180-5.1. Uh-Oh!

"But we are #1 against the pass!" We did that by...Bringing in a Top FA? No. How about a 1st rounder who is playing lights-out? No again. Faces are the same. We have a healthy Troy...That is a plus. Gay has elevated his play and Lewis looks to be settling in...But the faces are the same. But how good are we? How good are we against what competition? In 2010 the Steelers allowed 61.2 completion % at 37 APG. Yielding 214 yards a game with a rating of 73.1 against. In 2011 the Steelers are allowing 56 completion % at 33 APG. Yielding 171 yards a game with a rating of 81 against. Less completion %, less attempts, less yards, but better rating against. Factor in the competition. The 43 less yards & 4 less attempts a game....But giving up 44 more yards rushing. Do you think there is any relation? If I'm getting in 2nd and medium because I can get 4-5 yards a carry on 1st down...What do you think that does to an OC play calling? And you think the concern is on the offensive side of the ball? Lets look at that.

2010 the Steelers rushing offense was 120 YPG with a 4.1 AVG. Gave up 2.68 sacks a game...One per every 11.1 attempts with a QB rating of 95.2-Completion % of 62.2 & 8.1 per attempt. 2011 the Steelers rushing offense is 118 YPG with a 4.4 AVG. Giving up 2.85 sacks a game...One per every 11.8 attempts with a QB rating of 96.1-Completion % of 63.1 & 8.4 attempt.

Spoke your language. I "addressed the actual statistics at this point". Although I still feel the OG position needs to be addressed....I see bigger concern in the Steelers run defense and I witness it every game. It is the hinge of any defense and most importantly the catalyst of the DL pressure defense. When we meet up with a passing team....The door COULD fall off if the youngsters don't step up. The the thing about rushing D with an aging front...It could be a tumbling effect as it takes its toll as the season goes down the stretch. What I feel bad about is I can see this by watching the games and not needing to go back and pull up statistics just to satisfy you. Take you eyes off the ball and the box scores....There is alot going on inside the white lines that you seem to be missing.

[NJ-STEELER]

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when colon comes to camp, it will be nearly 3 years since he saw football action that counts. i wouldn't pencil him in for anythingt yet.

gilbert is playing RT now. and if he does well there i wouldnt be surprised if they keep him there. i can see them Draft a LT and have max as a stop gap until he's ready

[Steel Life]

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I'm going to hope they make a move for one of the top-flight OTs, but I'll predict Vinny Curry as Harrison's replacement. Then Alabama's TE Michael Williams before a parade of OL prospects in the middle rounds. You want an interior DL prospect?...look no further than Kheeston Randall, DT, Texas.

[Dee Dub]

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I'm going to hope they make a move for one of the top-flight OTs, but I'll predict Vinny Curry as Harrison's replacement. Then Alabama's TE Michael Williams before a parade of OL prospects in the middle rounds. You want an interior DL prospect?...look no further than Kheeston Randall, DT, Texas.

Nice Steel Life! Just noticed this post. I like Curry too. He very well could be the next Terrelle Suggs. Not many people are hip to Vinny Curry but watch..come combine time his name will be all over the place. In a 3-4 he will need to drop some weight (OLB). I read somewhere that he goes over 260lbs but he is a major force in an opponents back field.

I think this board would erupt though if the Steelers picked him with their first round pick.

[Steel Life]

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[quote=Dee Dub]

I'm going to hope they make a move for one of the top-flight OTs, but I'll predict Vinny Curry as Harrison's replacement. Then Alabama's TE Michael Williams before a parade of OL prospects in the middle rounds. You want an interior DL prospect?...look no further than Kheeston Randall, DT, Texas.

Nice Steel Life! Just noticed this post. I like Curry too. He very well could be the next Terrelle Suggs. Not many people are hip to Vinny Curry but watch..come combine time his name will be all over the place. In a 3-4 he will need to drop some weight (OLB). I read somewhere that he goes over 260lbs but he is a major force in an opponents back field.

I think this board would erupt though if the Steelers picked him with their first round pick. [/quote:1o9k2jb0]
Maybe so...but here's the thing - I just don't believe Worilds will develop into the guy they hoped he would, call it a lack of belief in Va. Tech defenders or our own poor record of 2nd round picks...either one is just as good with me. Also, Carter is just too light to be a constant force - we need a pair of bookend OLBs that scare the crap out of teams & Curry would be a great compliment to Woodley. What are your thoughts on Williams & Randall?

[Dee Dub]

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[quote=Steel Life][quote="Dee Dub":uxq8nrxm]

I'm going to hope they make a move for one of the top-flight OTs, but I'll predict Vinny Curry as Harrison's replacement. Then Alabama's TE Michael Williams before a parade of OL prospects in the middle rounds. You want an interior DL prospect?...look no further than Kheeston Randall, DT, Texas.

Nice Steel Life! Just noticed this post. I like Curry too. He very well could be the next Terrelle Suggs. Not many people are hip to Vinny Curry but watch..come combine time his name will be all over the place. In a 3-4 he will need to drop some weight (OLB). I read somewhere that he goes over 260lbs but he is a major force in an opponents back field.

I think this board would erupt though if the Steelers picked him with their first round pick. [/quote:uxq8nrxm]
Maybe so...but here's the thing - I just don't believe Worilds will develop into the guy they hoped he would, call it a lack of belief in Va. Tech defenders or our own poor record of 2nd round picks...either one is just as good with me. Also, Carter is just too light to be a constant force - we need a pair of bookend OLBs that scare the crap out of teams & Curry would be a great compliment to Woodley. What are your thoughts on Williams & Randall?[/quote:uxq8nrxm]

Randall is a beast. But I think in a 3-4 he is better suited as a DT not NT. Not sure if that was what you were looking at with him? I prefer Brandon Thompson of Clemson as a 3-4 NT. Scouts Inc. has Kheeston Randall ranked as the 19th best player right now. Thompson is ranked 13th.

I haven't had much focus on TE's and especially Williams but I will tell you in the middle rounds I would not be opposed to looking for Millers heir apparent. I like Rhett Ellison of USC because one, he can catch, two he can block, and three he is used often as a FB as well.

[Dee Dub]

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Maybe so...but here's the thing - I just don't believe Worilds will develop into the guy they hoped he would, call it a lack of belief in Va. Tech defenders or our own poor record of 2nd round picks...either one is just as good with me. Also, Carter is just too light to be a constant force - we need a pair of bookend OLBs that scare the crap out of teams & Curry would be a great compliment to Woodley. What are your thoughts on Williams & Randall?

I will tell you though there is one player from Alabama I have been watching closely and that is LB Nico Johnson. Very intriguing. I think he maybe a big value pick second or third round as a possible ILB in a 3-4.