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  • hawaiiansteel
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 35648

    Good old-fashioned hard work paying off for Hoke

    Hard work paying off for Hoke

    There's nothing mystical about Chris Hoke's play ... just good, old-fashioned hard work

    Tuesday, October 11, 2011
    By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette



    Watch backup nose tackle Chris Hoke during the Steelers home game Sunday against the Jacksonville Jaguars. It won't matter if he's on the Heinz Field lawn or on the sideline. He will be bouncing up and down, a 305-pound block of endless enthusiasm, working on his footwork, working on his punching technique, working on every aspect of his game.

    "We love Hokey's energy," Steelers defensive captain James Farrior said.

    On the field, anyway.

    "He can be annoying," linebacker Larry Foote said. "We'll be in the cafeteria line and, all of a sudden, he'll break down into his 3-point stance. It's like he's always kissing up to the coaches."

    Foote grinned.

    "But that's Hoke. That's just how he works. He's always working on his craft. He's a true professional."

    That's why Hoke has lasted 11 seasons in the NFL despite being an undrafted free agent. That's why the Steelers defense was more than effective -- above the line, in coach Mike Tomlin's words -- with him starting for injured Pro Bowler Casey Hampton in the 38-17 home win against the Tennessee Titans.

    "I love having Hokey in there," Farrior said. "He's my man. I always remind Hamp that I made the Pro Bowl the one year I played behind Hokey when he was starting. Hamp doesn't like hearing that."

    That was the 2004 season when Farrior made All-Pro. Hoke started the final 10 regular-season games after Hampton went down with a knee injury in Dallas. The Steelers won all 10.

    "I think the Hokester has a better record than anyone else in the business when he starts," defensive end Brett Keisel said.

    It's 16-1 after the win Sunday. The loss was against the Oakland Raiders in 2006, but that hardly was Hoke's fault. That was the day the Raiders managed 98 yards but still won because Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger threw four interceptions, two that were returned for touchdowns.

    "I have a real easy explanation for that [16-1] record," Hoke said Monday. "The other guys realize I'm in there for Hamp and they know they have to step up their game. It has nothing to do with me and everything to do with them."

    Don't you just love a modest athlete?

    "Hokey could start for a lot of other teams," Farrior said.

    Hoke said he has never regretted not pursuing such an opportunity. He has made a great living. His wife loves Pittsburgh. His five kids are comfortable here. He likes the city, his teammates, his coaches. He likes his two Super Bowl rings. He likes being a Steeler. He can't imagine being anything but a Steeler before he retires.

    "Packing up and leaving just never seemed worth a few extra dollars," Hoke said.

    In some ways, Hoke can't believe he has lasted this long in the NFL. He and Hampton came in together in 2001. Hampton, as a No. 1 draft pick, was destined for greatness. Hoke, out of Brigham Young, not so much.

    "I was just talking about that with my wife," he said. "I remember my first training camp when I wasn't getting any reps. I remember calling home. 'Babe, I don't see how I can make the team. I'm not getting a chance.' I'm just so glad I kept putting up the good fight. When you're a free agent, you have to have talent to make a team, but you also have to be lucky. I was lucky. It's been an unbelievable ride."

    The Steelers are glad Hoke stuck around. Facing salary-cap issues, they didn't re-sign him until early August, after camp began. He earned his pay Sunday, being involved in three tackles of Titans running back Chris Johnson for losses and getting a hurry on quarterback Matt Hasselbeck.

    "Thanks, but you know me, I concentrate on what I did wrong," Hoke said.

    It turns out Hoke was responsible for Johnson's 21-yard run on the Titans' first play. He was held up by center Eugene Amano and chopped down by right guard Jake Scott. Johnson cut back and ran by him.

    "I don't want to say I panicked," Hoke said. "But I was like, 'Oh, boy, that's the same play teams have been hurting us with. I can't let this happen all day.' After that first series, I went to the sideline and gathered my thoughts. After that, I was better."

    Johnson finished with 51 yards on 14 carries.

    What an improvement for a defense that allowed the Houston Texans 180 rushing yards a week earlier in a 17-10 loss.

    "At our meeting Saturday night, [defensive coordinator D!ck LeBeau] stood in front of us and said, 'There's no way in hell anyone can tell me that you guys can't stop the run and can't make plays,' " Farrior recalled. " 'I've seen you guys play. I know what you can do.' "

    That includes Hoke.

    "Oh, yeah, [LeBeau] believes in him," Farrior said. "He trusts him. Hokey has earned that trust."

    There's a good chance Hampton and his bad shoulder won't be ready Sunday for the Jaguars. Hoke will be prepared for a second consecutive start. He's glad the Steelers finally called again this summer with a contract offer. He's thrilled he didn't have to retire even though he's looking forward to his "second dream job" -- hopefully as a coach at BYU.

    "I just want to help the team," Hoke said. "I don't want to be a deterrent. I want to be someone who lifts the guys up. I want to bring energy."

    On the field during practices and games. In the meeting room and locker room. Maybe even in the cafeteria lunch line.

    A kiss-up to the coaches?

    "Nah," Foote said.

    "Just Hoke being Hoke."

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  • flippy
    Legend
    • Dec 2008
    • 17088

    #2
    Re: Good old-fashioned hard work paying off for Hoke

    I started wondering if Hoke should start over Casey?

    I remember in his extended playing time when Casey got hurt, the run D was its best ever.

    Again, we got a lift against one of the best rushers in the game.

    I think the value Hokie has is he's a little more athletic and nimble than Big Casey. And because of it, teams can't cut block him.

    The problem with Hampton this year is everyone's cutting him and he's not able to adjust and stop it from happening. Why not?

    If he can't answer that, it probably means Hokie deserves to see the field more.

    And the Hokie being Hokie comment probably has to do with him being a mormon. Every mormon person I've ever know has this super spirit and character that sets them apart from everyone else. If I didn't think their religion was all whack, I'd convert so I could ooze that mega positive mojo those folks have. Except for the ones that marry a gaggle of 12 year olds and Mitt Romney. I've never met any of those mormons. But the rest that I have met are super cool people.
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    • chiken
      Backup
      • Jun 2010
      • 489

      #3
      Re: Good old-fashioned hard work paying off for Hoke

      Always loved Hoke.. I wonder if him always having "Fresh" legs helps him.. Like even if you start him for One whole season its still just One Season - he has very little wear-n-tear on him.. It's like the comfortable Misteress, Always looking good because you dont have to see her in the morning.


      Just a thought.

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      • BradshawsHairdresser
        Legend
        • Dec 2008
        • 7056

        #4
        Re: Good old-fashioned hard work paying off for Hoke

        Originally posted by chiken
        Always loved Hoke.. I wonder if him always having "Fresh" legs helps him.. Like even if you start him for One whole season its still just One Season - he has very little wear-n-tear on him.. It's like the comfortable Misteress, Always looking good because you dont have to see her in the morning.


        Just a thought.
        I was with you until you compared Hoke to a mistress...

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        • Pahn711
          Backup
          • Jan 2010
          • 373

          #5
          Re: Good old-fashioned hard work paying off for Hoke

          Originally posted by flippy
          I started wondering if Hoke should start over Casey?

          I remember in his extended playing time when Casey got hurt, the run D was its best ever.
          I don't recall the run D being called the "best ever," but analysts did say it was statistically better than when Hampton started that year.

          I'm less concerned about who starts because they both get playing time, although maybe he should get more. Not sure the snap distribution, but it does seem like Hoke gets to spell Hampton throughout the game, especially when the defense can't get off the field. If it keeps them both fresh, I'd be cool with them splitting the snaps right up the middle.
          Some people subscribe to a permanent stasis of wishful thinking. They like to believe the world is made of marshmallows and filled with butterflies. I don't.

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          • birtikidis
            Hall of Famer
            • May 2008
            • 4628

            #6
            Re: Good old-fashioned hard work paying off for Hoke

            I thought last years defense was considered one of the best ever.. not the one from 04... all 7 years ago of it.

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            • steelblood
              Hall of Famer
              • May 2008
              • 4166

              #7
              Re: Good old-fashioned hard work paying off for Hoke

              Hoke still has good initial quickness for his age. Couple that with his lunch pail attitude, and he drives centers crazy.
              Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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              • hawaiiansteel
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 35648

                #8
                Re: Good old-fashioned hard work paying off for Hoke

                WEDNESDAY, 12 OCTOBER 2011

                WRITTEN BY ED BOUCHETTE

                -- YOU: You pointed out the swim technique used by Chris Hoke last week. Is this a philosophical change by D!ck Lebeau/John Mitchell on how to handle the stretch play or is this something Hoke does/did? In other words should we expect Casey Hampton to apply a similar technique? If so does his body type allow him to be effective with that technique?

                ME: It's my understanding that it was just something Hoke did.

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                • Shoe
                  Hall of Famer
                  • May 2008
                  • 4044

                  #9
                  Re: Good old-fashioned hard work paying off for Hoke

                  Someone brought up that 15-1 record last week in the chat... this is no coincidence. Of course, in the end, I defer to the coaches who watch the tape, watch practice daily... but in the end, 16-1 is 16-1. Especially considering with Hampton (over that time), we are very far from .95+ winning percentage. In fact, just going by that fact alone, I think it's clear we made a mistake re-signing Hamptom a year ago to a contract. His play is going to go downhilll quickly, while we could have just used Hoke, and drafted the young replacement.
                  I wasn't hired for my disposition.

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                  • birtikidis
                    Hall of Famer
                    • May 2008
                    • 4628

                    #10
                    Re: Good old-fashioned hard work paying off for Hoke

                    Originally posted by Shoe
                    Someone brought up that 15-1 record last week in the chat... this is no coincidence. Of course, in the end, I defer to the coaches who watch the tape, watch practice daily... but in the end, 16-1 is 16-1. Especially considering with Hampton (over that time), we are very far from .95+ winning percentage. In fact, just going by that fact alone, I think it's clear we made a mistake re-signing Hamptom a year ago to a contract. His play is going to go downhilll quickly, while we could have just used Hoke, and drafted the young replacement.
                    Less than 63 yards per rushing a game last year
                    2 super bowl victories
                    3 super bowl appearances
                    top 10 rushing defenses year in and year out
                    one constant in 11 years
                    Casey Hampton

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                    • Captain Lemming
                      Legend
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 16041

                      #11
                      Re: Good old-fashioned hard work paying off for Hoke

                      Remember when I debated the contention that our dline was so great? You compared Smitty to Joe Greene.

                      People always said that if our dline wasn't so great our lbers would have no success.

                      I contend that the 3-4 does not require elite line talent.

                      Smitty and Casey are excellent players. They are not "great".

                      The contention is that you do no judge 3-4 linemen by stats. You do so by the overall effectiveness of the defense, since the "free up" other players. I recognize this role, but I contend that this task does not require elite talent.

                      Proof?

                      We have always been fine with Hokey instead of Casey.

                      Last year we had the best run d in franchise history with Smitty out for most of the season.

                      Last year
                      Originally posted by flippy
                      I started wondering if Hoke should start over Casey?

                      I remember in his extended playing time when Casey got hurt, the run D was its best ever.

                      Again, we got a lift against one of the best rushers in the game.

                      I think the value Hokie has is he's a little more athletic and nimble than Big Casey. And because of it, teams can't cut block him.

                      The problem with Hampton this year is everyone's cutting him and he's not able to adjust and stop it from happening. Why not?

                      If he can't answer that, it probably means Hokie deserves to see the field more.

                      And the Hokie being Hokie comment probably has to do with him being a mormon. Every mormon person I've ever know has this super spirit and character that sets them apart from everyone else. If I didn't think their religion was all whack, I'd convert so I could ooze that mega positive mojo those folks have. Except for the ones that marry a gaggle of 12 year olds and Mitt Romney. I've never met any of those mormons. But the rest that I have met are super cool people.
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                      In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                      TCFCLTC-
                      The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                      • Chadman
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 6537

                        #12
                        Re: Good old-fashioned hard work paying off for Hoke

                        It's easy to look at a win loss record & suggest Hoke should start over Hampton. but Hampton has been the rock of winning seasons- not games.

                        Down be downplaying Hampton- the best NT the Steelers have had in 20+ years.
                        The people that are trying to make the world worse never take a day off, why should I?

                        Light up the darkness.

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                        • Pahn711
                          Backup
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 373

                          #13
                          Re: Good old-fashioned hard work paying off for Hoke

                          Originally posted by Chadman
                          It's easy to look at a win loss record & suggest Hoke should start over Hampton. but Hampton has been the rock of winning seasons- not games.

                          Down be downplaying Hampton- the best NT the Steelers have had in 20+ years.
                          I just think instead of starting, the better question to ask is if Hoke should get more snaps, and would be interested in knowing how many he does get on average subbing for Hampton.
                          Some people subscribe to a permanent stasis of wishful thinking. They like to believe the world is made of marshmallows and filled with butterflies. I don't.

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                          • hawaiiansteel
                            Legend
                            • May 2008
                            • 35648

                            #14
                            Re: Good old-fashioned hard work paying off for Hoke

                            Steelers Lounge

                            Posted on October 13, 2011 by ted

                            There is no doubt this squad missed Keisel over the two previous games and rookie first-round pick Cameron Heyward provided the type of pass rush the Steelers have long been missing from their 3-4 defensive ends even with they had dominant defenses. Heyward should remain the No. 3 defensive end even after Smith returns.

                            But the man who really played phenomenal was fireplug Chris Hoke. The Steelers are now 16-1 when this 35-year-old journeyman starts for an injured Hampton. Pittsburgh’s front office will no doubt be begging Hoke to return for another season in 2012 at the veteran’s minimum salary and fans should get used to a nose tackle duo of Hoke and Steve McLendon, because unfortunately Hampton will likely be the best of several solid Pittsburgh veterans not returning in 2012 since the Steelers will probably need to free $30-35 million in cap space from their current 2012 payroll before training camp.

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                            • ikestops85
                              Hall of Famer
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 3724

                              #15
                              Re: Good old-fashioned hard work paying off for Hoke

                              Originally posted by Shoe
                              Someone brought up that 15-1 record last week in the chat... this is no coincidence. Of course, in the end, I defer to the coaches who watch the tape, watch practice daily... but in the end, 16-1 is 16-1. Especially considering with Hampton (over that time), we are very far from .95+ winning percentage. In fact, just going by that fact alone, I think it's clear we made a mistake re-signing Hamptom a year ago to a contract. His play is going to go downhilll quickly, while we could have just used Hoke, and drafted the young replacement.
                              I don't know about saying we made a mistake signing Hampton a year ago. He played some of his best football ever last year. This year ... not so much ... yet.

                              I wouldn't be that quick to write off Big Snack just yet. The guy seems to have a lot of pride.
                              As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.

                              but Go Steelers!!!

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