Ben is not consistant enough

[California-Steel]

I know we have O lines issues but even when Ben has time to throw it seems that his passes are off an he is not consistant with his accuracy.

I also noticed that our receivers are not use to being HOT on blitzes and it seems that they know Ben will not hit them quick so they don't look for the HOTs or quick hits. I saw Ben try to hit the HOTs today but each time they were not looking.

We need a new offensive coordinator to work witht this offense and build a rhythm type passing attack. We don't have it and we look really out of sync when we try to do it. Ben's passes are either way out in front or way behind when we try to do a 3 step drop type pass.

[chiken]

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kinda hard to start off with "I know the offensive line is a problem" and then follow that up with Ben is off.

This line is just bad - Even Pouncy was getting taken to the Shed today... Saddest part was when we established the run it was cool for a drive but the second we had to drop back to pass it was over.

Today they were beating up the Rookie, Essucks and even straight up the middle.. Teams do not have to blitz us anymore.

You cannot QB behind that garbage. There were 2 plays when the whole freaking pocket got rolled up into Ben..

you can not be consistent behind that line.

[steelz09]

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Arians is a big problem as well. He is so stubborn that he continues to call slow developing plays even though the o-line is terrible.

I think Albert Einstein's definition of insanity perfectly describes Arian's play calling ability:

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

[Djfan]

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Arians is a big problem as well. He is so stubborn that he continues to call slow developing plays even though the o-line is terrible.

I think Albert Einstein's definition of insanity perfectly describes Arian's play calling ability:

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Or that famous Linsay Lohan quote:

"What a stupid @#$Q$!!"

[chiken]

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Arians is a big problem as well. He is so stubborn that he continues to call slow developing plays even though the o-line is terrible.

I think Albert Einstein's definition of insanity perfectly describes Arian's play calling ability:

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

I understand about Arians play calling but think about it. Quick plays are hard for us because a) our Receivers are not getting open in 2 seconds b) they don't know when they are the hot route c) because teams do not have to blitz it takes a bit of time to Figure out who is Dropping and who is coming - as a matter of fact NOBODIES coming so he has to solve the riddle with everybody in the passing lane.

We don't have a Run game (with Mendy at least but umm, that seems to be a different issue) but the lack of a run game means the play action does not work..

Guys we just CANT run an offense behind this line because there is no line. our only hope this year has been with Ben doing something magical and that has been few and far between up to this point.

this is not about Arians at all. Until this line is fixed we are in a bunch of hot mess.

[fordfixer]

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Ben: I gotta make plays

By Mike Prisuta - WDVE

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HOUSTON _ Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger limped out of Reliant Stadium, literally and figuratively, after absorbing a pounding from the Texans.

It remains to be seen if Roethlisberger will be able to limp onto Heinz Field’s playing surface this coming Sunday against Tennessee.

He had a walking boot applied to his left foot prior to meeting the media following the 17-10 loss suffered by the Steelers last Sunday. And he needed crutches to navigate the aisle upon boarding the team plane for the charter flight back to Pittsburgh.

Further souring his mood was the sting of “disappointment, obviously, from losing the game,” and “feeling like I could have done more.

“It was a little bit my fault that we didn’t play better,” Roethlisberger concluded.

His first pass, which wasn’t thrown until 3:10 remained in the first quarter, went for 22 yards to wide receiver Mike Wallace, but 15 of those came back after Wallace was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Roethlisberger’s last attempt, a desperation heave for wide receiver Antonio Brown with 19 seconds remaining, was intercepted by Texans cornerback Jason Allen at the Houston 11-yard line.

In between Roethlisberger was sacked five times, hurried a bunch of others, fallen upon late to produce his unspecified left foot injury, and spared the indignity of a sick-strip-fumble and a pick-six due to penalties assessed against the Texans that nullified both of those would-be turnovers.

Overall, Roethlisberger barely completed 50 percent of his passes (16-for-30) and emerged with a passer rating of 61.3.

It all boiled down to “just making plays, plays I didn’t make, plays I could have made,” Roethlisberger said. “We had a group of linemen, offensive guys who we were plugging around all over the place. I gotta step up and make plays, and I didn’t do it today.

“I gotta make plays, gotta make it easier on my guys and I didn’t do that.”

With Trai Essex replacing Jonathan Scott (ankle) at left tackle and Ramon Foster filling in for Doug Legursky (shoulder) at right guard the offense managed 296 total net yards and held the ball for 28:17.

Roethlisberger couldn’t say whether he would have to be replaced when Tennessee comes calling.

“You know me, if I can be out there I’m going to be out there,” he said. “If I have to cast it up – we saw I had to do that last year – if we have to do it I’ll do it.”

Roethlisberger said he thought the injury occurred on the Steelers’ second-to-last offensive possession when he was tackled from behind. The Texans had ample opportunities prior to that to inflict damage.

“They were very physical,” Roethlisberger said. “They got after me.”

As for the Steelers at 2-2, “I feel like we’re close,” Roethlisberger said. “I guess if there’s a time to be not quite right it’s now. It’s the first month of the season.

“We’ve been down this road enough times that we know it’s about when you get hot. If we can pull together, offense, defense, special teams, and get hot at the right time that’s all that matters.”

[Shawn]

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If you had been knocked on your backside as much as Ben you might have issues as well. We are spoiled. Ben is one the best QBs in the league, and is more accurate than not when he has adequate protection.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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I know we have O lines issues but even when Ben has time to throw it seems that his passes are off an he is not consistant with his accuracy.

I also noticed that our receivers are not use to being HOT on blitzes and it seems that they know Ben will not hit them quick so they don't look for the HOTs or quick hits. I saw Ben try to hit the HOTs today but each time they were not looking.

We need a new offensive coordinator to work witht this offense and build a rhythm type passing attack. We don't have it and we look really out of sync when we try to do it. Ben's passes are either way out in front or way behind when we try to do a 3 step drop type pass.

Let me brings things into focus for you. I'm a big guy. Played OL/DL my entire "shortened" career. I'm 6' 320 right now. Here's what I want you to imagine. Stand in front of me and allow me to punch you in the face & stomach while you try to go through multiplication tables from 1-12. I don't care if you are equally as big as me...You would have trouble as soon as you got past 1 x 12. The guy that picked you up off the ground would have to tell you 2 x 1 was next. So for all of you who think that the offensive problems don't begin with the OL are really people who are standing behind the white lines. I'm not saying in light of the problems there could better play calling or decision making by BB & Mendy...But guys...The "source" of the problem is as obvious as the scorboard indicates.

To make matters even more gloomy, the front 7 on the other side of the ball are not any better. Well to be fair, Farrior & Smith are looking like overpaid rotation guys right now & Woodley & Harrison just aren't playing at the level the need to be. I expect Woodley & Harrison to get there...Sooner the better....But I don't think Farrior & Smith will ever get where they need to be. I think steps & reps should be made when Keisel returns to insert Hood into the starting role and have Smith spell him. Foote should be given every opportunity in practice as well as Sly to play with Timmons, Harrison, & Woodley. There has to be a better combination in the middle even if it is by committee. The torch needs to be passed. Instincts have now been trumped by lack of athleticism with Farrior and Smith just physically isn't the same player.

One comment to the positive, I think Lewis is very close to earning a chance to start. I just hope DL lets him and Ike play bump because that is what both are best at.

[feltdizz]

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If you had been knocked on your backside as much as Ben you might have issues as well. We are spoiled. Ben is one the best QBs in the league, and is more accurate than not when he has adequate protection.

yada yada and yada....

I'm not trying to hear it. Ben gotta make plays is killing us this year. Ben gotta get rid of the football, Ben gotta protect the football, Ben and WR's gotta get on the same page.

This OL has sucked before and this is nothing new. Trying to throw deep with this OL won't work.

We can blame BA but Ben loves the guy so he is just as much to blame for this trainwreck on offense.

I'm telling you... put Batch in next game and watch the production improve. The ball has to come out fast.

[SidSmythe]

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Come on, lets get serious.

Nothing wrong with Ben's game except for his protection. How many times has he been flushed out of the pocket to have to look over his shoulder??

Pretty hard to play QB when half of your attention is focused on ur protection.

[NJ-STEELER]

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If you had been knocked on your backside as much as Ben you might have issues as well. We are spoiled. Ben is one the best QBs in the league, and is more accurate than not when he has adequate protection.

Well said

[BURGH86STEEL]

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Ben's inconsistency is nothing new. The Oline having to deal with injuries and losses are nothing new. Other teams have Oline issues also. Steelers issues on the Oline are mostly a result of losses and injuries. Bad timing and not having much salary capp space may have hurt any chance they had to bring in FA olinemen.

What is new is teams inability to run on the Steelers. It's been evident over the years that if this defense doesn't play well this team doesn't make the playoffs. Ben's inconsistent style of play hasn't been able to carry this team. At this point, it is what it is.

[feltdizz]

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True.. if our D isn't playing lights out we struggle...

The OL issues aren't new though... I don't think Ben can be excused for his play. Mendy as well...

We put Redman and Moore in and they rip off nice runs.... we aren't taking what is available right now. We are still trying to get the big play and it's killing us.

[steelblood]

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Ben is a gamer. He is not THE problem. But, he has not played exceptionally well either. He missed an open Brown for a TD, underthrew Wallace when he got behind the safety, etc. etc. Still, Ben also made some brilliant throws. We actually had a chance to tie that game up after we played an abysmal first half. I think the right side of the line can and will continue to improve given more reps together. The left side is a total mess and beyond salvaging.

[JUST-PLAIN-NASTY]

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Essex made J Scott look like a starting LT. I think that all sums it up right there.


I'm sure there will be a meeting in the FO over the next two days with the coaches & Colbert. Given the sutuation, you aren't gonna bring in a guy off the street who will help you right away on the OL....Except the two siting out there who played here last year. Might not even be financially a possibility...But I'm sure they are talking about it & all options. There has to be concern from the top after seeing what the Colts did & now the Texans. We don't know what the discussions were leading up to now....But I'm sure someone had to say either we can't bring anyone in or someone said we can continue with what we have. I would love to know which was said. I have seen enough out of Gilbert and know what Adams could give you (if in shape) to know that with Colon down the best combination at OT would be Gilbert at LT and Adams at RT. Gilbert is a rookie but he is clearly the better fit over Scott & Essex. So that being said, I would lean to it being financially not possible as the reasoning not to bring Adams back. But when your season and franchise player seems to be on the verge of being lost...Is there ANYTHING left to do to protect your investment and save the season? We will see.