Tomlin Take Control or be Fired.

[NW Steeler]

Re: Tomlin Take Control or be Fired.

I'm sorry, were you saying something NW Steeler? Hard to concentrate on your point in that last post with my eyes being poked out by you sig photo.

LOL! Exactly...

Would you guys prefer that I take her out of my sig?

[steelz09]

Re: Tomlin Take Control or be Fired.

im obviously outnumbered here but i would still consider the firing of tomlin if this continues.

Shall I bring up that he won the SB with the majority of Cowher's personnel? Yea, I said it.

Now that it's time for "his" splash players to perform, where are they? His #1 splash player of all time is overrated by Steelers fans...... Timmons. Like I said in previous posts... comparing him to Patrick Willis is laughable.

[BURGH86STEEL]

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Yeah, let's fire this coach, a mere 8 months after he led this team to the Super Bowl, his second trip to the Super Bowl in 4 years as a head coach by the way, and the youngest head coach to win a Super Bowl championship ring. Oh no...he's 2-2 with 3 out of those first 4 played on the road...trade in your pink NFL breast cancer awareness apparel for a pink slip. That's brilliant.

I agree. I don't know what to think of the schizophrenic nature of some Steelers fans.

[NW Steeler]

Re: Tomlin Take Control or be Fired.

im obviously outnumbered here but i would still consider the firing of tomlin if this continues.

Shall I bring up that he won the SB with the majority of Cowher's personnel? Yea, I said it.

Now that it's time for "his" splash players to perform, where are they? His #1 splash player of all time is overrated by Steelers fans...... Timmons. Like I said in previous posts... comparing him to Patrick Willis is laughable.

If you have an issue with draft pics during Tomlin's regime, you may need to place more of the burden on Colbert. Timmons was a reach, but then it looked like we got a steal with Woodley. His performance so far this year has been much more concerning.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Re: Tomlin Take Control or be Fired.

I think Tomlin has a lot of blame for things like:

- the hot receivers not turning around on a blitz,
- bonehead receivers jumping over the guy who just intercepted the ball on you
- fielding kickoffs or punts inside the 10 yard line,
- Ben holding on to the ball forever when it's a play designed for a 3 step drop (against the Dolts last week when it was J. Scott that everyone was blaming at first),
- etc. etc. etc.

In other words, to my eye it looks like attention to detail has become optional with the players ... who get the attitude from the assistants ... who get it from the coordinators ... who get it from Tomlin.

But fire him? I think at most a private woodshed by the Rooney's is all that's called for. These are trying times personnel-wise, it certainly goes beyond just what Tomlin can control?

As I said in the "deal with the devil" thread - our GM put money over the last 10 years in the right places - we got to 3 SBs in 5 years, and won 2 of them. Other teams would die for 1 crumb of that victory pie. But that can't go on forever, and the laws of physics say we are due for rebuilding.

I think it's incredible that we got to the SB last year with our O-line, and with people like Gay, Bmac, ARE, and other retreads, but we did and I think that happened only because we are the PITTSBURGH STEELERS. Any other franchise would have folded in the regular season, much less do what we did.

Will we get to the post-season this year? Well, it ain't over till it's over!!

OK, back to saying 3 Hail Francos, and counting Rocky beads ...

[fezziwig]

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I wish I knew or if someone could tell me how, a NFL teams front office and coaches work together.
Does Tomlin get to request the players he would like to upgrade or does Colbert and Rooney tell him to make do with what he has ?

This front office/coaches/players have been smoking there own hype for some time now. They continue to pat theirselves on the back about, we can make it with the o-linemen we have but it has finally caught up to them.
They better get used to the smell of Bens asss and continue to kiss it because without Bens mobility, the offense would do even worse with the o-line they continue with.
this has been a problem for years and the only thing they really done about it was Pouncey and one guy is not enough.
Our tackles stink, our guards stink. I'll give Gilbert some slack because he is new.
Kemo is a second stringer
Foster is a third stringer
Legursky is between a second and third stringer
Colon always stunk
Pouncey to me has hit the sophmore wall.
Essex is a second stringer
and our second stringers are not good ones at that.

All the moaning or coaching in the world will not make these guys any better.

Do the Steelers consider the intelligence of these players when the sign them to the team ? Most of the time they look stupid out on the field with missing blocks, not turning around for passes and what have you.

[Pahn711]

Re: Tomlin Take Control or be Fired.

Shall I bring up that he won the SB with the majority of Cowher's personnel? Yea, I said it.

Now that it's time for "his" splash players to perform, where are they? His #1 splash player of all time is overrated by Steelers fans...... Timmons. Like I said in previous posts... comparing him to Patrick Willis is laughable.

Cowher himself dismisses the argument that Tomlin is winning with the former coach's team. There may be plenty similar players between them, but as we are seeing this year, you never know what team will show up from one season to the next.

Besides the fact that you could blame Colbert as much as Tomlin for draft success, they have been able to hit on every first round pick and find several serviceable backups (even a few starters) in each draft class. Thats no different than the Cowher drafts, for the most part.

[NW Steeler]

Re: Tomlin Take Control or be Fired.

I think Tomlin has a lot of blame for things like:

- the hot receivers not turning around on a blitz,
- bonehead receivers jumping over the guy who just intercepted the ball on you
- fielding kickoffs or punts inside the 10 yard line,
- Ben holding on to the ball forever when it's a play designed for a 3 step drop (against the Dolts last week when it was J. Scott that everyone was blaming at first),
- etc. etc. etc.

In other words, to my eye it looks like attention to detail has become optional with the players ... who get the attitude from the assistants ... who get it from the coordinators ... who get it from Tomlin.

But fire him? I think at most a private woodshed by the Rooney's is all that's called for. These are trying times personnel-wise, it certainly goes beyond just what Tomlin can control?

As I said in the "deal with the devil" thread - our GM put money over the last 10 years in the right places - we got to 3 SBs in 5 years, and won 2 of them. Other teams would die for 1 crumb of that victory pie. But that can't go on forever, and the laws of physics say we are due for rebuilding.

I think it's incredible that we got to the SB last year with our O-line, and with people like Gay, Bmac, ARE, and other retreads, but we did and I think that happened only because we are the PITTSBURGH STEELERS. Any other franchise would have folded in the regular season, much less do what we did.

Will we get to the post-season this year? Well, it ain't over till it's over!!

OK, back to saying 3 Hail Francos, and counting Rocky beads ...

GREAT post.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Re: Tomlin Take Control or be Fired.

[quote=NW Steeler]

I'm sorry, were you saying something NW Steeler? Hard to concentrate on your point in that last post with my eyes being poked out by you sig photo.

LOL! Exactly...

Would you guys prefer that I take her out of my sig?[/quote:2tsp0oia]

No, I'd prefer that you make your sig bigger. What's with the tiny thumbnail?

[Oviedo]

Re: Tomlin Take Control or be Fired.

I think Tomlin has a lot of blame for things like:

- the hot receivers not turning around on a blitz,
- bonehead receivers jumping over the guy who just intercepted the ball on you
- fielding kickoffs or punts inside the 10 yard line,
- Ben holding on to the ball forever when it's a play designed for a 3 step drop (against the Dolts last week when it was J. Scott that everyone was blaming at first),
- etc. etc. etc.

In other words, to my eye it looks like attention to detail has become optional with the players ... who get the attitude from the assistants ... who get it from the coordinators ... who get it from Tomlin.

But fire him? I think at most a private woodshed by the Rooney's is all that's called for. These are trying times personnel-wise, it certainly goes beyond just what Tomlin can control?

As I said in the "deal with the devil" thread - our GM put money over the last 10 years in the right places - we got to 3 SBs in 5 years, and won 2 of them. Other teams would die for 1 crumb of that victory pie. But that can't go on forever, and the laws of physics say we are due for rebuilding.

I think it's incredible that we got to the SB last year with our O-line, and with people like Gay, Bmac, ARE, and other retreads, but we did and I think that happened only because we are the PITTSBURGH STEELERS. Any other franchise would have folded in the regular season, much less do what we did.

Will we get to the post-season this year? Well, it ain't over till it's over!!

OK, back to saying 3 Hail Francos, and counting Rocky beads ...

GREAT post.

But now we are seeing sufficient evidence and need to reassess the approach we have taken and get some new blood in starting with both coordinator positions. If players are not executing I blame the coordinators far, far more than the head coach. They have the direct responsibility to get players ready for each and every game. Both coordimators are failing this season and both should go.

[feltdizz]

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Winning with Cowhers players? Cowher had a good run but how many SB's did he win with all those great teams?

Once we got Ben it was much easier to win SB's... it has nothing to do with Cowher's players. This isn't college....

[feltdizz]

Re: Tomlin Take Control or be Fired.

But now we are seeing sufficient evidence and need to reassess the approach we have taken and get some new blood in starting with both coordinator positions. If players are not executing I blame the coordinators far, far more than the head coach. They have the direct responsibility to get players ready for each and every game. Both coordimators are failing this season and both should go.

The only problem with this logic is everyone else gets the credit when we win games and SB's... it's always "in spite of" but as soon as we lose it's all due to the OC's.

Once we get new OC's we will see the same problem or a whole new set of problems they won't address because we rarely blame the actual players on the plays that fail.

[steelz09]

Re: Tomlin Take Control or be Fired.

Shall I bring up that he won the SB with the majority of Cowher's personnel? Yea, I said it.

Now that it's time for "his" splash players to perform, where are they? His #1 splash player of all time is overrated by Steelers fans...... Timmons. Like I said in previous posts... comparing him to Patrick Willis is laughable.

Cowher himself dismisses the argument that Tomlin is winning with the former coach's team. There may be plenty similar players between them, but as we are seeing this year, you never know what team will show up from one season to the next.

Besides the fact that you could blame Colbert as much as Tomlin for draft success, they have been able to hit on every first round pick and find several serviceable backups (even a few starters) in each draft class. Thats no different than the Cowher drafts, for the most part.

Cowher gave the politically correct answer. But in reality, a large portion of the starters were from the Cowher-era.

No doubt that Colbert has hit on the majority of our first rounders. He is not been great in the other 6 rounds though. You can't just blame Colbert, Arians, Lebeau or whatever. Tomlin is the HC at the end of the day. They follow his leadership.

It's well known Cowher had a lot of say in the draft process. If Tomlin doesn't, then he needs to be. He's coaching the team and is responsible for their overall performance. If they're winning he gets the credit, when they're losing he gets the heat. It's not a one way street. How can you blame only Arians over the past several years? Tomlin is the guy that kept him around.... He had the ability to make the change and decided not to.

[Djfan]

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Everyone needs to understand that when we change OC or even DC we will enter into a new scheme, which means that the players we have my not be the best for that scheme. They were picked and groomed for the current schemes and may not adapt well.

Sometimes I wonder of the schemes we have are known to Tomlin. I know that sounds harsh and I don't mean it to, but it wouldn't surprise me if he were waiting around for Bad Word LeBeau to leave so he can put his plan in.

As for the offensive scheme, it just seems to be "use only 7 plays and see what Ben can do anyway."

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

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Sorry jh, while we all share your frustration, your post is unrealistic. Unless this team goes 2-14, Tomlin is at no risk of being fired.

This is the most stable organization in football. This is the only HC job in the league in which you know upon being hired that it is safe to buy a house and not merely rent.

Third coach since 1969. This does not happen because the Rooneys start thinking about firing a coach with a 2-2 team.