Starkey: "This offense stinks"

[Slapstick]

Re: Starkey: "This offense stinks"

Does your towel waving, cheerleading post help or hurt the team?

Actually, the towel waving, cheerleading post does exactly as much to help the team as any post on the forum.

In other words, nothing.

It's a public forum. Members are supposed to be able to debate these arguments in a civil, respectful and mature manner.

If you post your opinion on here, you should definitely be prepared to have your opinion debated, disregarded, ridiculed, etc. That's a far cry from simply telling someone to shut up. That's uncalled for.

Some people prefer to dwell upon the lack of running production and quantity of turnovers. Others, like me, prefer to be happy with the fact that the Steelers played an AFC road game on a Sunday night, played terribly, and still came out with a win....

Opinions vary...

[SteelTorch]

Re: Starkey: "This offense stinks"

A positive thinker should shut up? Real nice! I'm glad you still cheer for the team but it sure appears you are one negative person who needs to realize what cheering for a team is all about! I didnt say everything was swell did i? I said we are 2-1!!! We are no worse then any of the other good teams in this league! We turned the ball over 10 times according to the post above and we won 2 games??? How is that possible if we are so terrible? LOL

You guys need someone like me on here to balance out all this negative crap that's been posted all week in a victory! In a victory on the ROAD!! I stress it again!!!! The place where without "THE TACKLE" we would of lost to the MANNING COLTS when we were killing them at the half. Remember that game? Wanna complain how we let go of the lead???? Wanna complain about Bettis fumbling and turning the ball over?? Or do you want to celebrate it and cherish "THE TACKLE" and the Miracle UPSET? That's the difference between a complainer and a fan like me. You can pick apart every game and every team in this league and we surely had enough of that this week. It's THURSDAY and we are still discussing the damn COLTS game. LOL

No, a positive thinker who has no clue what he's talking about should shut up.

Yeah, we're 2-1 - rah, rah rah. We're not even a quarter of the way through the season. Hardly enough to pronounce a playoff berth. Perhaps it's possible we're 2-1 because we faced to VERY bad teams - Indy and Seattle. Bet that didn't strike you! DERP! And being positive doesn't mean not noticing when this team has serious flaws - namely an awful O-line and an offense that has problems scoring. You realize we're one of the worst teams in the league right now at scoring efficiency? And we couldn't run the ball on the Colts no less! If you don't think that's worth noting, God help you.

I shouldn't even address your last idiotic paragraph, but I'm going to. We had a great offense then - one that was reliable. And of course I'm not going to complain about that game because we WON. You don't know what I was saying or thinking during that game, so I'll say it again: shut up. And that game, by the way, was over five years ago. These are now very different teams with different problems. So take your soapbox and go set it up somewhere else - in the middle of a freeway for all I care. Because all you're doing is ranting without actually saying anything.

[LouSteel]

Re: Starkey: "This offense stinks"

We are no worse then any of the other good teams in this league

The Patriots are 2-1. They're averaging 34 points per game. Do you think we could match up against them? I sure don't.

The Ravens are 2-1, and we know we sure don't match up against them.

Our next game? We allow 18 points per game, the Texans allow 20. Close. But we're only scoring 18 a game, and they score 30.

The new NFL is a shootout, and our offense is a flintlock.

[Slapstick]

Re: Starkey: "This offense stinks"

The Patriots are 2-1. They're averaging 34 points per game. Do you think we could match up against them? I sure don't.

The Ravens are 2-1, and we know we sure don't match up against them.

Our next game? We allow 18 points per game, the Texans allow 20. Close. But we're only scoring 18 a game, and they score 30.

The new NFL is a shootout, and our offense is a flintlock.

I suppose we'll have to let them actually play the games, eh?

In the NFL, success or failure one week does not automatically correlate to an equal result at a different time...

Just ask the Patriots who lost to the Giants at a neutral site after beating them in the Meadowlands a few weeks earlier....

[Doogie36]

Re: Starkey: "This offense stinks"

nope i'm ready to be debated! I stand by my words as much as you do! You seem very upset! LOL

Didnt we have a bad OLine last year? Did you just wake up and realize that our team will never pay for an OLINE when we are paying top dollar to be a defensive team? Ike, Woodley, and Troy signings ringing any bells oh smart one? LOL

We play in the city of Pittsburgh! What happens in December that doesnt happen in oh lets say September? That's right! Its SNOWS!!!!! to win in the North you need to have a SOLID DEFENSE to win those COLD WEATHER GAMES. It's really simple if you think about it guys. Defensive teams win ugly at times and over the past few seasons that's what we have done. Why is this year a big shocker? Did you run out and get yoru bucket full of chicken wings and watch this exact same team in last years superbowl?

This Sunday as you cheer on your steelers make sure you have your hello kitty diary ready to take notes on all the many things that go wrong during the game so you can write it all up again!!! hopefully its in another WINNING performance on the Road.

I'm sure there are tons of Ravens fan's who have a notebook full of bad things in that Titans game tooo and I know the Bengals sure do as well who i feel would be 3-0 if they had started the GMAN in all 3 games. I also know the Patriots who were 9 1/2 point favorites LOST a ROAD GAME!!! We were 9 1/2 point favorites on the Road and won our game!

Lets go to Texas and play ugly and win!! I'm ok with that! Style points dont matter unless you post on this board apparently! LOL

[Doogie36]

Re: Starkey: "This offense stinks"

The Patriots are 2-1. They're averaging 34 points per game. Do you think we could match up against them? I sure don't.

The Ravens are 2-1, and we know we sure don't match up against them.

Our next game? We allow 18 points per game, the Texans allow 20. Close. But we're only scoring 18 a game, and they score 30.

The new NFL is a shootout, and our offense is a flintlock.

Yes i do think we can match up and beat anyteam we play. How's the Patriots Running game this year? Who are their LB's and DB's again? can anyone name one of them for me please? Every team has weaknesses that can be exposed! Packers just lost Collins for the year!!! Add in injuries tooo!!! It's been 3 games guys! We are 2-1 and we are on the path you all predicted before the season started!!! 12-4 at worst here guys! We just hope we play better in December like we always seem to do!!!! SInce when do Regular season games matter in PITTSBURGH??? We win anyway we can to get into the TOURNAMENT! God help the other teams when we get in that tournament. Ravens and Jets playoff games last year??? Werent those 2 of the most opposite type of games you witnessed???? Huge blow out to almost lose? Getting blown out and then winning? ITS WHO WE ARE!!! I'm sorry to bring this to your attention in week 4! LOL but we can win against anyone we play and we have done so in so many different ways!!!! We dont have to rely on just Defense or offense like other teams!!!

[grotonsteel]

Re: Starkey: "This offense stinks"

The Patriots are 2-1. They're averaging 34 points per game. Do you think we could match up against them? I sure don't.

The Ravens are 2-1, and we know we sure don't match up against them.

Our next game? We allow 18 points per game, the Texans allow 20. Close. But we're only scoring 18 a game, and they score 30.

The new NFL is a shootout, and our offense is a flintlock.

Yes i do think we can match up and beat anyteam we play. How's the Patriots Running game this year? Who are their LB's and DB's again? can anyone name one of them for me please? Every team has weaknesses that can be exposed! Packers just lost Collins for the year!!! Add in injuries tooo!!! It's been 3 games guys! We are 2-1 and we are on the path you all predicted before the season started!!! 12-4 at worst here guys! We just hope we play better in December like we always seem to do!!!! SInce when do Regular season games matter in PITTSBURGH??? We win anyway we can to get into the TOURNAMENT! God help the other teams when we get in that tournament. Ravens and Jets playoff games last year??? Werent those 2 of the most opposite type of games you witnessed???? Huge blow out to almost lose? Getting blown out and then winning? ITS WHO WE ARE!!! I'm sorry to bring this to your attention in week 4! LOL but we can win against anyone we play and we have done so in so many different ways!!!! We dont have to rely on just Defense or offense like other teams!!!

Well said Doogie.

It just 3 games and people here don't understand that Steelers run marathon and not 100 mts sprint.

I will take the ugly wins as long as they can reach playoffs. I want Steelers to turn hot in playoffs not in first 3 games of the season.

regarding this article it has merit if it was published after 16 games. For now its a joke.

[feltdizz]

Re: Starkey: "This offense stinks"

The Patriots are 2-1. They're averaging 34 points per game. Do you think we could match up against them? I sure don't.

The Ravens are 2-1, and we know we sure don't match up against them.

Our next game? We allow 18 points per game, the Texans allow 20. Close. But we're only scoring 18 a game, and they score 30.

The new NFL is a shootout, and our offense is a flintlock.

Yes i do think we can match up and beat anyteam we play. How's the Patriots Running game this year? Who are their LB's and DB's again? can anyone name one of them for me please? Every team has weaknesses that can be exposed! Packers just lost Collins for the year!!! Add in injuries tooo!!! It's been 3 games guys! We are 2-1 and we are on the path you all predicted before the season started!!! 12-4 at worst here guys! We just hope we play better in December like we always seem to do!!!! SInce when do Regular season games matter in PITTSBURGH??? We win anyway we can to get into the TOURNAMENT! God help the other teams when we get in that tournament. Ravens and Jets playoff games last year??? Werent those 2 of the most opposite type of games you witnessed???? Huge blow out to almost lose? Getting blown out and then winning? ITS WHO WE ARE!!! I'm sorry to bring this to your attention in week 4! LOL but we can win against anyone we play and we have done so in so many different ways!!!! We dont have to rely on just Defense or offense like other teams!!!

Well said Doogie.

It just 3 games and people here don't understand that Steelers run marathon and not 100 mts sprint.

I will take the ugly wins as long as they can reach playoffs. I want Steelers to turn hot in playoffs not in first 3 games of the season.

regarding this article it has merit if it was published after 16 games. For now its a joke.

actually it's an article about the first 3 games of this year. Nothing more nothing less...

It's no different than fans who say analyst are bashing the Steelers when they are getting spanked by the Ravens or the Pats.

These evaluations of the Steelers aren't for the season or the franchises history. It's opinion pieces of the game or games they have seen thus far this season.

Fans need to understand every critical analysis isn't about our franchises inception in 1933. Bashing Mendenhall's spin move isn't saying he sucks and needs to be cut, talking about A.Smith getting old isn't trashing his whole career, talking about Ben's INT in the Colts game isn't calling him Trent Dilfer.

[feltdizz]

Re: Starkey: "This offense stinks"

Sometimes sports fans act like immature chicks... you say you don't like their hair and somehow it turns into hating their mother, wanting to sleep with their best friend and how you never loved them in the first place

[Ghost]

Re: Starkey: "This offense stinks"

Saying only positive things about the team makes you a better fan. Eveybody knows that....

[Doogie36]

Re: Starkey: "This offense stinks"

We can debate sports all day long and the steelers and that's what makes this game so great! BUT i will never bash my team after a win on the road especially! Sure its ugly, sure we could of won 50-0 but we could of also been UPSET like the Patriots were tooo!!! We werent! Before the Manning injury did we predict this a for sure WIN? NO! We got a bonus win thanks to an injury! I dont care how! It's 1 more win and that's important when it could boil down to a home playoff game or a road game in SUNNY CALIFORNIA or in FOXBORO!

I can debate Barry Sanders being the best RB of all time tooo!! All day long!!!! It's what we do! This isnt debating though!! This guy states our offense STINKS and I again can change the words and write this same thing about every team in this league! Who's playing perfect ball after 3 games? WHO? Packers? almost lost to the Panthers where??? On the ROAD? Bills? were getting killed last 2 weeks!!!! give up a ton of points??? Cowboys? REALLY? Dream team? Ravens? who is playing PERFECT BALL? and is there such a thing? I say NOT and especially over a 16 game season.

You guys can have your opinions and debate it all day long but to say our team sucks does take balls!!! Would you welcome that from a Ravens fan? would you say oh you are right buddy our team does suck!!! LOL Give me a break.

[SteelTorch]

Re: Starkey: "This offense stinks"

nope i'm ready to be debated! I stand by my words as much as you do! You seem very upset! LOL

Didnt we have a bad OLine last year? Did you just wake up and realize that our team will never pay for an OLINE when we are paying top dollar to be a defensive team? Ike, Woodley, and Troy signings ringing any bells oh smart one? LOL

Did we win the Superbowl last year? No? That's what I thought.

And your comment would actually have some merit if it weren't for the fact that we've had great defenses AND great O-lines in the past. Contrary to what you seem to think, it's possible to have a great defense and a good O-line at the same time. Again, you really don't know what you're talking about. LOL

[williar]

Re: Starkey: "This offense stinks"

Starkey: Score, Steelers

By Joe Starkey, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, September 29, 2011



We could go with Ben Roethlisberger's colorful explanation of the Steelers' offensive struggles: "The sky's the limit for us — we just have to, you know, get on the plane."

Or we could say it in three words: This offense stinks.

Seriously, I'm sick of watching it. The Steelers must be sick of watching it. And if they don't start scoring soon — like Sunday against the turbo-charged Houston Texans — their season won't matter much past Halloween, or around the time Tom Brady visits Heinz Field.

The NFL is a scoring league. The Steelers don't score enough. They have long been dependent on phenomenal defense. Isn't it time the offense stepped up, particularly with the defense looking less than phenomenal?

Did I mention the Steelers don't score enough? They're ranked 26th in points per game and only that high because the defense scored one of their six touchdowns. They have cracked the top 10 in scoring once in coordinator Bruce Arians' five years, tying for ninth in 2007.

That was supposed to change, dramatically, this season. One local columnist (I have no idea who) predicted this would be the highest-scoring team in franchise history.

This was supposed to be a high-octane — sorry — high-scoring outfit that could torture teams any way it pleased. Roethlisberger had settled into such a groove during a turnover-free preseason that he was practically ready to call games on his own.

Here's the quote: "I would feel comfortable with Ben calling the plays in all phases, not just the spread offense," Arians said before the Steelers lit up the Falcons in an exhibition game.

Another quote from camp: "We know we can be really good," receiver Mike Wallace said. "Great, actually."

Finally this from Roethlisberger: "We have relied for such a long time on this defense to kind of carry us. As an offense, we want to score a lot of points and make it easy on our defense."

Easy? Roethlisberger & Co. have cannibalized their defense by committing turnovers like the Buffalo Bills in a Super Bowl. Roethlisberger, playing the role of Jim Kelly, has seven all by himself.

Incredibly, the Steelers have had two games (out of three, remember) during which they turned it over on three straight possessions and committed turnovers ON CONSECUTIVE SNAPS. Forget the Bills in a Super Bowl. I'm wondering if the 1976 Tampa Bay Buccaneers could boast of such comic ineptitude.

Even in a 24-0 victory over Seattle, the offense looked sickly near the goal line. In his six carries inside the 5 that day, Rashard Mendenhall gained five yards.

Last we saw these guys, they were scoring two second-half field goals against a ravaged Colts defense that couldn't stop the Cleveland Browns a week earlier.

Yeah, the line is beat up and below average. Fall's here, too. Deal with it. The Steelers have stubbornly refused to dial up reinforcements, the way Baltimore did with Bryant McKinnie, so they must believe in their people.

Roethlisberger does. He was asked yesterday how the offense might react to a Texas shootout.

"We'll be ready," he said.

The line proved it could protect Roethlisberger during a 10-point, 177-yard first quarter Sunday. But that was before Roethlisberger got careless, allowing Robert Mathis time enough to take five laps around the stadium and crash into his back, forcing a fumble that gave the Colts life.

Two turnovers later, Indy had a halftime lead.

Roethlisberger hasn't been the only problem:

>> Mendenhall needs to stop tap dancing and start running with the ferocity we saw in the AFC Championship Game.

>> Emmanuel Sanders killed a possible touchdown drive Sunday with a drop, evoking his critical drop last year at Buffalo. Weslye Saunders bobbled a sure first down to ruin another drive.

>> Arians needs to turn his playbook to the page titled "Bubble Screen to Hines" and light it on fire.

>> Jonathan Scott needs to play within the rules. As NBC noted, he is tied for NFL's most-penalized player since midway through last season. And that was before he was flagged for lining up in the Steelers' backfield.

Hey, how come Dwight Freeney wasn't penalized for that?

Finally, this offense needs to find its personality. Seems obvious the quarterback and coordinator want to be a passing team. So be one. Break out the no-huddle attack that sped 60 yards for the winning field goal Sunday.

Don't abandon Mendenhall. Run to complement the pass, the way Green Bay does.

Or go out and get somebody like Vonta Leach and smash people's faces in all day. I don't care. Just score.

'Cause you know the Texans will.

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Refreshing take. I'm glad somebody in the local media did their job. It's high time for this offense to step up and start leading the way. This offense is still playing like they got their diapars on.

[rockonsteel]

Re: Starkey: "This offense stinks"

We can debate sports all day long and the steelers and that's what makes this game so great! BUT i will never bash my team after a win on the road especially! Sure its ugly, sure we could of won 50-0 but we could of also been UPSET like the Patriots were tooo!!! We werent! Before the Manning injury did we predict this a for sure WIN? NO! We got a bonus win thanks to an injury! I dont care how! It's 1 more win and that's important when it could boil down to a home playoff game or a road game in SUNNY CALIFORNIA or in FOXBORO!

I can debate Barry Sanders being the best RB of all time tooo!! All day long!!!! It's what we do! This isnt debating though!! This guy states our offense STINKS and I again can change the words and write this same thing about every team in this league! Who's playing perfect ball after 3 games? WHO? Packers? almost lost to the Panthers where??? On the ROAD? Bills? were getting killed last 2 weeks!!!! give up a ton of points??? Cowboys? REALLY? Dream team? Ravens? who is playing PERFECT BALL? and is there such a thing? I say NOT and especially over a 16 game season.

You guys can have your opinions and debate it all day long but to say our team sucks does take balls!!! Would you welcome that from a Ravens fan? would you say oh you are right buddy our team does suck!!! LOL Give me a break.

So, bottom line, are you saying this offense doesn't stink? Is that what we are to surmise from all your blustering?


Rockon

[Doogie36]

Re: Starkey: "This offense stinks"

Big Ben
Ward
Wallace
Sanders
Brown
Miller
Mendenhall

Does our offense stink? Really? Come on!!!! Is it not playing that good right now? SURE you can say that but does it STINK? NO!!!!

Give me a break!

You can spin this anyway you want to make yourself feel better, feel cool, or to be right but as a fan I love who we have on the offensive side of the board.

As far as previous good OL/ D combos! OMG!! That's great stuff. Neil Odonnel had a great OLINE and BARRY BANANAS FOSTER and an amazing Defense and how many AFC Championship games did we lose again? Same with Kordell! How many did we lose again???? Again DEBATABLE! We have a QB who doesnt need 10 seconds in the pocket to complete a pass now!!! Kordell didnt either but the problem with him was he coudlnt complete a pass in pocker or on the run!!! Ben makes plays with his feet and it allows our CLUB to go a bit cheaper on the LINE! If we had Brady or Manning i'm sure we would have a better LINE because it would be NEEDED!

manning sure had protection problems in that playoff win in 2005! He called out his great OLINE in his PRESSER after the game! Even great lines have BAD DAYS i guess. LOL