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  • MaxAMillion
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    • Dec 2008
    • 439

    So where are the Dom Capers fans now?

    Oh, Capers was so brilliant after the Super Bowl. "His defense is better than Labeau's and his defense is easier to learn". Guess what, teams are moving up and down the field on the Packers like they are nothing. The Packers have given up 800 yards passing in two games. If Labeau's defense looked like the Packer's defense these first two weeks, there would be post talking about how the entire scheme is terrible and needs to be scrapped.

    What about the genius Belichek? His defense is also giving up points and yards with no problem. The offense is what carries the Pats. The Ravens couldn't stop Hasslebeck last Sunday. The Eagles spend more than $20 million on corners and yet Matt Ryan goes no huddle and the Falcons start passing the ball with no problem.

    I will say it again. The rules all favor the offenses now. There is no DC in the league who can shut down passing offenses. You can't hit QB too high or too low, you can't touch WR after 5 yards, and you can't hit WR high when they run across the middle. You can try and pressure the QB and that is about it.

    The problem the Steelers have is that their offense is average due to the mediocre OL. When the Steelers face a good QB they will get outscored. I wish Colbert had spent more time addressing the OL and less time looking to give money to over 30 defensive players. I would be more than happy with seeing the defense get worse while seeing the offense get appreciably better due to an improve OL.

    This is the new NFL. Steeler fans need to get used to it. It is about scoring points now.
    The Steelers’ went through seven consecutive drafts (2003-09) without taking an offensive lineman in the first two rounds, the longest such streak by any franchise this century.
  • RuthlessBurgher
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 33208

    #2
    Re: So where are the Dom Capers fans now?

    Originally posted by MaxAMillion
    I wish Colbert had spent more time addressing the OL and less time looking to give money to over 30 defensive players. I would be more than happy with seeing the defense get worse while seeing the offense get appreciably better due to an improve OL.
    What would you have suggested, specifically, this offseason? Would you have not re-signed Ike Taylor and Troy Polamalu in favor of bringing in guys like Tyson Clabo and Harvey Dahl?
    Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

    Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

    We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

    We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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    • hawaiiansteel
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 35649

      #3
      Re: So where are the Dom Capers fans now?

      Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
      What would you have suggested, specifically, this offseason? Would you have not re-signed Ike Taylor and Troy Polamalu in favor of bringing in guys like Tyson Clabo and Harvey Dahl?

      this question wasn't directed at me but here's one thing I would have done.

      I absolutely would have signed Ike, Woodley and Troy.

      but I would have pursued OG Brian Waters very hard after the Chiefs released him, he would have solved our RG problems for at least this and next season.

      where would the $ to sign him have come from? Aaron Smith as stated that the Steelers never approached him about restructuring his contract, if I was the FO I would have definitely approached Smitty in order to upgrade a weak link in the OL and protect our franchise QB. and if that didn't save enough $ to sign Waters, bye bye Arnaz Battle...

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      • papillon
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        • Mar 2008
        • 11340

        #4
        Re: So where are the Dom Capers fans now?

        I don't know where the Dom Capers fans are and it doesn't matter. One thing is certain; to win and get into the playoffs and then compete for a Super Bowl you will not be able to lean on your defense as in the past. Your offense is going to have to be able to hang 24 plus points on the other team or you will lose.

        Green Bay, Saints, Patriots are going to put up a lot of points, a defense can only hope to limit the damage. The Steelers offense will have to do much better than they are now to win a game against any of these three teams. The defense won't be able to throttle them, IMO.

        Pappy
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        • feltdizz
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 27531

          #5
          Re: So where are the Dom Capers fans now?

          I don't buy it.. it's been 2 weeks and teams didn't have OTA's. I don't think this air attack will happen all season.

          I don't think anyone is a Dom Capers fan in terms of shutting teams down. Do you really think Keenan Lewis, Butler and Brown would have been on GB's bench or cut while guys like Gay and McFadden started? I say hell no. The only thing people were fans of is Capers ability to put young guys on the field so we can see if they can sink or swim.

          When has anyone talked about how awesome GB's defense is? I've never seen them shut down a team's passing attack.
          Steelers 27
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          • pittpete
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            • Aug 2008
            • 6825

            #6
            Re: So where are the Dom Capers fans now?

            The rules all favor the offenses now.
            When the Steelers face a good QB they will get outscored.
            The problem the Steelers have is that their offense is average due to the mediocre OL.
            Yes
            Yes
            Yes-add in an OC that refuses to change his playcalling knowing that the OL is mediocre....
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            • ikestops85
              Hall of Famer
              • Jun 2008
              • 3724

              #7
              Re: So where are the Dom Capers fans now?

              I think the days of a dominant defense are over. The Steelers, under LeBeau, have probably the best D in the league but we all know it has it's weaknesses.

              If I remember correctly SD had the #1 defense in the league last year. So far this year they have been shredded by the Pats. The Jets were #3 and Romo put up around 350 yards in the air. The Saints were #4 and we saw what Rogers did to them in the opening game. The Pack was #5 and they have given up huge chunks in the air to both Brees and rookie Cam Newton.

              There isn't a defense around anymore that can shut down the pass consistently. The rules favor the offense too much. So, while LeBeau's defense may be complicated, it seems to be worth it cause it's still the best.
              As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.

              but Go Steelers!!!

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              • RuthlessBurgher
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 33208

                #8
                Re: So where are the Dom Capers fans now?

                Originally posted by papillon
                One thing is certain; to win and get into the playoffs and then compete for a Super Bowl you will not be able to lean on your defense as in the past. Your offense is going to have to be able to hang 24 plus points on the other team or you will lose.
                Luckily in the playoffs in the Roethlisberger era, we have been able to score 20, 27, 31, 21, 34, 21, 29, 35, 23, 27, 31, 24, and 25 points.
                Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                • Oviedo
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 23824

                  #9
                  Re: So where are the Dom Capers fans now?

                  Originally posted by papillon
                  I don't know where the Dom Capers fans are and it doesn't matter. One thing is certain; to win and get into the playoffs and then compete for a Super Bowl you will not be able to lean on your defense as in the past. Your offense is going to have to be able to hang 24 plus points on the other team or you will lose.

                  Green Bay, Saints, Patriots are going to put up a lot of points, a defense can only hope to limit the damage. The Steelers offense will have to do much better than they are now to win a game against any of these three teams. The defense won't be able to throttle them, IMO.

                  Pappy
                  It's about scoring and scoring consistently. Defensively you have to get to the QB or you stand little chance of winning. It's all about the pass rush and punishing the QB into making mistakes. We failed to do that in the last Super Bowl and that is why we lost. It is also the same reason we consistently lose to Tom Brady. We can't get to him because he gets rid of the ball quickly.
                  "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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                  • steelblood
                    Hall of Famer
                    • May 2008
                    • 4166

                    #10
                    Re: So where are the Dom Capers fans now?

                    I'm a big fan of Dom Capers'

                    hair.
                    Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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                    • NJ-STEELER
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 12563

                      #11
                      Re: So where are the Dom Capers fans now?

                      from a fan of a team thats had a Couple of really horrible hangover type years after winning the superbowl

                      complaining about the pack and their 2-0 record doesnt seem right

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                      • BradshawsHairdresser
                        Legend
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 7056

                        #12
                        Re: So where are the Dom Capers fans now?

                        Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                        from a fan of a team thats had a Couple of really horrible hangover type years after winning the superbowl

                        complaining about the pack and their 2-0 record doesnt seem right
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                        • Dee Dub
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 4652

                          #13
                          Re: So where are the Dom Capers fans now?

                          I'm right here!! Huge Dom Capers fan. And what's wrong with being a fan of one fo the greateast Steeler defensive cordinators they have ever had?

                          Not sure what your point is???

                          Originally posted by MaxAMillion
                          ....."His defense is better than Labeau's and his defense is easier to learn".

                          I'm not sure who ever said that...but I didnt.

                          I personally prefer Capers' all out zone blitz approach over LeBeau's drop more in coverage approach but to say one is easier to learn when they pretty much run the same scheme is pretty lame.

                          But I can't see how any Steeeler fan can't appreciate what LeBeau has done for the Steelers. And I certainly do. Just would prefer Capers over him.
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                          • Sonny
                            Backup
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 133

                            #14
                            Re: So where are the Dom Capers fans now?

                            This makes me even more upset that, in a game where the O-Line held up about as well as they did all season, our elite offense couldn't put up the necessary points on the board and win the SB in a classic shootout.

                            All against a soft Dom Capers defense that allows 800 yards passing in 2 games.

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                            • frankthetank1
                              Hall of Famer
                              • May 2008
                              • 2755

                              #15
                              Re: So where are the Dom Capers fans now?

                              Originally posted by Oviedo
                              Originally posted by papillon
                              I don't know where the Dom Capers fans are and it doesn't matter. One thing is certain; to win and get into the playoffs and then compete for a Super Bowl you will not be able to lean on your defense as in the past. Your offense is going to have to be able to hang 24 plus points on the other team or you will lose.

                              Green Bay, Saints, Patriots are going to put up a lot of points, a defense can only hope to limit the damage. The Steelers offense will have to do much better than they are now to win a game against any of these three teams. The defense won't be able to throttle them, IMO.

                              Pappy
                              It's about scoring and scoring consistently. Defensively you have to get to the QB or you stand little chance of winning. It's all about the pass rush and punishing the QB into making mistakes. We failed to do that in the last Super Bowl and that is why we lost. It is also the same reason we consistently lose to Tom Brady. We can't get to him because he gets rid of the ball quickly.
                              very true. qb's with quick releases kill the steelers. it doesnt help not blitzing and sitting back in coverage and letting the qb pick you apart. i have no clue what kind of game plan that is against a good qb. imo lebeau's "scheme" last season against the pats was worse than any game plan i have seen from arians.

                              in the super bowl there were so many plays where rogers barely got rid of the ball before getting hit. to me thats more on the db's. you have to at least cover for a few seconds. a great pass rush means nothing if there are wr's open immediately after the ball is snapped

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