I just replayed the Mendenhall fumble....

[Dee Dub]

Re: I just replayed the Mendenhall fumble....

[quote=sd steel][quote="Dee Dub":2bio5hjx]

I coach running backs, and I played running back for 10+ years, and you never look the ball in to your belly. Mendenhall's eyes are exactly where they should be on the hole he was running, where Ngata was. A missed blocking assignment caused the fumble period. For a football guy I would expect DeeDub to know that it was not the back's fault. The play was blown up before it started and instead of blaming someone we would be better served admitting that Ngata anticipated the count and made a great play to cause a fumble.

Ok we agree to disagree. I am old school and am from the thought that you never fumble the ball no matter what.

And a RB looking the ball in isnt the same as a baseball infielder looking a baseball into his glove/stomach. But you have to use your peripherals to see/know where the ball is being given. Mendenhall had no idea where the hand-off was and as a result it squirts up the right side of his chest pad before Ngata ever hits him. Myself? I have a problem with that.

And again..I admit that there was more blame to go around for this than just on Mendenhall.[/quote:2bio5hjx]

You cant be responsible for the fumble if you never had possesion of the ball to begin with. Ben didn't put the ball in his belly, he never had possesion, then he gets crushed....crappy play, but it wasn't on Mendehall at all. If you are old school and never allow a fumble then the beef is with Ben, he is the last person with possesion.[/quote:2bio5hjx]

Now I disagree with this. I just replayed the fumble again and it was clearly a good hand-off by Ben. Yes Ben did nearly fumble the snap and was a little late in getting the ball to Mendy but it was delivered correctly to Mendy. Mendy lets the ball squirt threw his hands and up the right side of his chest pad before Ngata hit him. And you can hear Phil Simms say..."he fumbled it before he got hit".

[sd steel]

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[quote=Dee Dub][quote="sd steel":3tqnqw51][quote="Dee Dub":3tqnqw51]

I coach running backs, and I played running back for 10+ years, and you never look the ball in to your belly. Mendenhall's eyes are exactly where they should be on the hole he was running, where Ngata was. A missed blocking assignment caused the fumble period. For a football guy I would expect DeeDub to know that it was not the back's fault. The play was blown up before it started and instead of blaming someone we would be better served admitting that Ngata anticipated the count and made a great play to cause a fumble.

Ok we agree to disagree. I am old school and am from the thought that you never fumble the ball no matter what.

And a RB looking the ball in isnt the same as a baseball infielder looking a baseball into his glove/stomach. But you have to use your peripherals to see/know where the ball is being given. Mendenhall had no idea where the hand-off was and as a result it squirts up the right side of his chest pad before Ngata ever hits him. Myself? I have a problem with that.

And again..I admit that there was more blame to go around for this than just on Mendenhall.[/quote:3tqnqw51]

You cant be responsible for the fumble if you never had possesion of the ball to begin with. Ben didn't put the ball in his belly, he never had possesion, then he gets crushed....crappy play, but it wasn't on Mendehall at all. If you are old school and never allow a fumble then the beef is with Ben, he is the last person with possesion.[/quote:3tqnqw51]

Now I disagree with this. I just replayed the fumble again and it was clearly a good hand-off by Ben. Yes Ben did nearly fumble the snap and was a little late in getting the ball to Mendy but it was delivered correctly to Mendy. Mendy lets the ball squirt threw his hands and up the right side of his chest pad before Ngata hit him. And you can hear Phil Simms say..."he fumbled it before he got hit".[/quote:3tqnqw51]

I coach QB/ RB exchanges everyday DW, the QB is not to let go of the ball until it is secured by the running back. Mendenhall never secures the ball, Ben puts it on his chest and lets it go. Poor fundamentals period....and not Mendy's fault.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

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The problems started with Pouncey when he snapped too soon...But when Ben sees that Ngata is right there, why doesn't Ben just hold on to the ball at that point? Admittedly, he only has a split-second to make that decision...seems to me he should have just kept it himself in order to maintain possession.

[BackwoodsSteeler]

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The snap was early...it messed up the timing of everything.

Fault lies with Pounce.

[Snatch98]

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Blowing up the board with a WHOLE bunch of chicken little BS. Switch teams already. It's clear you'd do a better job in the front office or on the side line. I haven't read beyond the first few posts so I'm guessing this has been addressed further as it was already addressed once. Watching the reply of the Mendenhall fumble DOESN'T show just how quickly Ngata was on top of Mendenhall. In slow motion it looks like he's preoccupied with Ngata as evidenced by your comical breakdown. However at game speed Ben bobbles the hand off, quickly try to hand it to Rashard and Ngata is on top of him. CLEARLY Mendenhall's fault lol.

Wow!! What a nice guy. I hope the Lord does for you what he has done for me.

This is one of the ugly things about this board. A man has an opinion (whether right or wrong), and he is attacked and told to switch teams. Wow!!

Lord thank you for taking that bitterness out of me. Praise be to you.

Comical. It's one thing to have a opinion, you were/are on a soap box. You don't have to look any further than this thread and the Darren McFadden thread. You're certainly entitled to your opinion seeing as this message board lives and dies on opinions. However are heinously wrong on the Mendenhall/Ngata fumble and have been proven wrong several times. I just don't like to see blind criticism, especially criticism fueled by snap judgments and over the top solutions. My switch teams reaction was also a bit dramatic but I assumed it would be taken in that fashion.

[Dee Dub]

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Blowing up the board with a WHOLE bunch of chicken little BS. Switch teams already. It's clear you'd do a better job in the front office or on the side line. I haven't read beyond the first few posts so I'm guessing this has been addressed further as it was already addressed once. Watching the reply of the Mendenhall fumble DOESN'T show just how quickly Ngata was on top of Mendenhall. In slow motion it looks like he's preoccupied with Ngata as evidenced by your comical breakdown. However at game speed Ben bobbles the hand off, quickly try to hand it to Rashard and Ngata is on top of him. CLEARLY Mendenhall's fault lol.

Wow!! What a nice guy. I hope the Lord does for you what he has done for me.

This is one of the ugly things about this board. A man has an opinion (whether right or wrong), and he is attacked and told to switch teams. Wow!!

Lord thank you for taking that bitterness out of me. Praise be to you.

Comical. It's one thing to have a opinion, you were/are on a soap box. You don't have to look any further than this thread and the Darren McFadden thread. You're certainly entitled to your opinion seeing as this message board lives and dies on opinions. However are heinously wrong on the Mendenhall/Ngata fumble and have been proven wrong several times. I just don't like to see blind criticism, especially criticism fueled by snap judgments and over the top solutions. My switch teams reaction was also a bit dramatic but I assumed it would be taken in that fashion.

Ok snatch I understand. No harm on my part. Sorry if I gave you that impression (soap box), I can assure you that it wasnt my intention. I apologize if I came across as such. I just love talkin football. I dont understand about the Darren McFadden comment though??? Most everyone here knows how pro-Mendenhall I am. I caught a ton of heat at the Trib website for my insisting that Mendy should start from day one over Willie Parker.
I am a big supporter of him and am glad he is our back...but as I said I still think he is as much responsible for this fumble as Pouncey, Ben, and Legursky are.

But I get it. You have issue with me. I will bow out. I pray for you my brother. Little tedious things like this should not get to one where the need to be so critical of others. I was once like that. I gave it to the Lord an am free of that. I pray the same for you.

Take care.

[Snatch98]

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[quote=Dee Dub]

Blowing up the board with a WHOLE bunch of chicken little BS. Switch teams already. It's clear you'd do a better job in the front office or on the side line. I haven't read beyond the first few posts so I'm guessing this has been addressed further as it was already addressed once. Watching the reply of the Mendenhall fumble DOESN'T show just how quickly Ngata was on top of Mendenhall. In slow motion it looks like he's preoccupied with Ngata as evidenced by your comical breakdown. However at game speed Ben bobbles the hand off, quickly try to hand it to Rashard and Ngata is on top of him. CLEARLY Mendenhall's fault lol.

Wow!! What a nice guy. I hope the Lord does for you what he has done for me.

This is one of the ugly things about this board. A man has an opinion (whether right or wrong), and he is attacked and told to switch teams. Wow!!

Lord thank you for taking that bitterness out of me. Praise be to you.

Comical. It's one thing to have a opinion, you were/are on a soap box. You don't have to look any further than this thread and the Darren McFadden thread. You're certainly entitled to your opinion seeing as this message board lives and dies on opinions. However are heinously wrong on the Mendenhall/Ngata fumble and have been proven wrong several times. I just don't like to see blind criticism, especially criticism fueled by snap judgments and over the top solutions. My switch teams reaction was also a bit dramatic but I assumed it would be taken in that fashion.

But I get it. You have issue with me. I will bow out. I pray for you my brother. Little tedious things like this should not get to one where the need to be so critical of others. I was once like that. I gave it to the Lord an am free of that. I pray the same for you.

Take care.[/quote:1tpgjj9c]

I see you chose to take the dramatic approach. I have no real problem with you or anyone else on this site. We certainly have a few drama queens and "rabble rousers" if you will but beyond that this place is a wealth of information and discussion. I place absolutely ZERO blame on Mendenhall for that fumble, play it at full speed and you'll see why. Ngata was on top of Rashard before he could even THINK of taking that hand off clean. You certainly don't see that watching in in slow mo on your DVR.

As far as the McFadden comment is concerned you started the other thread about Mcfadden and his burst through holes. Rashard right now isn't getting those holes and he certainly didn't get them last night. When the hole is there the man is hitting them and hitting them with authority. His dancing and shifting is a way to make holes. I'm assuming you started that thread because you were unhappy with Rashard and clearly impressed with McFadden.

The problem we have with the Steelers is we've almost routinely drafted towards the bottom of each round and by then offensive lineman worth grabbing are long gone. Pouncey needs some help at guard and Mendenhall will get the holes like Mcfadden received last night. You also need to realize the Broncos are PUTRID against the run and Rashard went up against one of the best d-lines in the league. Ngata may be the best d-line in the entire NFL. I personally think he is...

No harm no foul dee dub. I just hate the chicken little sh.it, especially after the first week of the season. I'm glad that beating happened week one and not week 10.

[SteelTorch]

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[quote=Dee Dub]

Let me me say it loud and clear Ben did not play well yesterday. Perspective is saying that all his picks occurred after the scores was 21-7.

You've spouted this line all week like a friggin' parrot. I'll say it one more time: THAT IS NO EXCUSE! Playing from behind does not excuse poor play, and even down 21-7, you can still come back.

Yeah but your portrayal isnt the whole story. I said this in response to those who came out and tried to blame Ben for this loss. And some alluded to his 3 picks. My contention was that the game was pretty much a loss before Ben even threw a pick.

I think Ben played bad. And I am not excusing his play.

Example...the pick that Reed made that was intended to Miller was a great play by Ben but a horrible throw. Reed was on the outside of the right hash mark while Miller was at the left hash mark. In fact Reed was actually going away from Miller. A strong throw and Reed never comes close. But Ben floated it and allowed Reed was able to come back and make a play on the throw.[/quote:4l8yyfch]
And I'm telling you the game as NOT a loss before Ben threw a pick. 21-7 is not a foregone loss, even after the first half. By the way, he DID turn over the ball by way of a fumble when the Ravens were up a mere 7-0, and that led directly to another TD. So yes, he does share some blame.

Everything you've said up to this point about Ben's performance was that it was "okay" because we were losing. I'm telling you it's not.

[Slapstick]

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Incidentally, it looks like Legursky comes off the ball and immediately goes to the 2nd level...

It looks like Johnson comes over to the space Ngata already blew through and looks for somebody to block...

I'm not sure that run would have gone anywhere if Pouncey hadn't f'd the snap count...

But, he did...and that's where all the trouble began on that play...it was like the perfect storm of crap...

[DukieBoy]

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Incidentally, it looks like Legursky comes off the ball and immediately goes to the 2nd level...

It looks like Johnson comes over to the space Ngata already blew through and looks for somebody to block...

I'm not sure that run would have gone anywhere if Pouncey hadn't f'd the snap count...

But, he did...and that's where all the trouble began on that play...it was like the perfect storm of crap...

Maybe the Ravens slipped some Go Lightly or Fleet into the Steelers' gatorade.

[birtikidis]

Re: I just replayed the Mendenhall fumble....

Incidentally, it looks like Legursky comes off the ball and immediately goes to the 2nd level...

It looks like Johnson comes over to the space Ngata already blew through and looks for somebody to block...

I'm not sure that run would have gone anywhere if Pouncey hadn't f'd the snap count...

But, he did...and that's where all the trouble began on that play...it was like the perfect storm of crap...

I've been talking about this play all week. It really looks to me like it's "trap" and legs chipped ngata and went to the second level. Either kemo or DJ were supposed to clear him out of there. they didn't. as bad as i thought legs played, i really don't think this one was his fault.

[Dee Dub]

Re: I just replayed the Mendenhall fumble....

Incidentally, it looks like Legursky comes off the ball and immediately goes to the 2nd level...

It looks like Johnson comes over to the space Ngata already blew through and looks for somebody to block...

I'm not sure that run would have gone anywhere if Pouncey hadn't f'd the snap count...

But, he did...and that's where all the trouble began on that play...it was like the perfect storm of crap...

I agree with this...and I have never once argued that this was all Mendy's fault. It was a chain of events no doubt...but the fact is the fact...Mendy fumbles before he ever got hit by Ngata. And I state his focus was more on getting hit by Ngata than securing the ball.

[Dee Dub]

Re: I just replayed the Mendenhall fumble....

Incidentally, it looks like Legursky comes off the ball and immediately goes to the 2nd level...

It looks like Johnson comes over to the space Ngata already blew through and looks for somebody to block...

I'm not sure that run would have gone anywhere if Pouncey hadn't f'd the snap count...

But, he did...and that's where all the trouble began on that play...it was like the perfect storm of crap...

I agree with this...and I have never once argued that this was all Mendy's fault. It was a chain of events no doubt...but the fact is the fact...Mendy fumbles before he ever got hit by Ngata. And I state his focus was more on getting hit by Ngata than securing the ball.

[hawaiiansteel]

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but the fact is the fact...Mendy fumbles before he ever got hit by Ngata.

does this look like Mendy has already fumbled the ball?

[feltdizz]

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That's some bull####. Pouncey screwed up the snap, Ben never had control of the ball and Mend never had a chance to secure the hand off
Dub, you really need to let it go, you keep blaming Mend like he was lax with the football.

Ben should have ate that but it really doesn't matter. That fumble didn't turn the game or change momentum. Nothing Mend could have done to stop that fumble.

Ngata is a big guy and anytime a guy that size hits a RB during a hand off exchange it will result in a fumble.