With the new kickoff rules, should we carry a KO specialist?

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  • hawaiiansteel
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    • May 2008
    • 35649

    With the new kickoff rules, should we carry a KO specialist?

    Post-Eagles thoughts

    THURSDAY, AUGUST 18, 2011
    posted by Dale Lolley



    © Swayze Waters isn't much of a field goal kicker, but he could be a weapon on kickoffs. Shaun Suisham was scratched Thursday and Waters handled all of the kicking duties - except punts.

    His kickoffs were deep, except one the Steelers told him to kick short and allow a return.

    With the new kickoff rules, it may make sense for teams to carry a guy who can put the ball through the back of the end zone instead of an extra DB or WR to play special teams.

    If you're putting the ball out of the end zone, who needs coverage guys?

    [url="http://www.observer-reporter.com/or/sidelines/"]http://www.observer-reporter.com/or/sidelines/[/url]
  • NJ-STEELER
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 12563

    #2
    Re: With the new kickoff rules, should we carry a KO special

    Is a KO specialist needed?

    Even the reguLar guys are kicking deep into the EZ

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    • SanAntonioSteelerFan
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      • May 2008
      • 8361

      #3
      Re: With the new kickoff rules, should we carry a KO special

      I didn't realize Suisham had been cut?


      We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

      HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

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      • DHSF
        Backup
        • Aug 2008
        • 126

        #4
        Re: With the new kickoff rules, should we carry a KO special

        Suisham was scratched for the game. That isn't the same as being cut.

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        • Oviedo
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 23824

          #5
          Re: With the new kickoff rules, should we carry a KO special

          A kick off specialist is IMO an act of desperation.

          We have exactly what we should have in Brown...a guy who can return kicks and play well at a real position.
          "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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          • RuthlessBurgher
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            • May 2008
            • 33208

            #6
            Re: With the new kickoff rules, should we carry a KO special

            Originally posted by SanAntonioSteelerFan
            I didn't realize Suisham had been cut?
            Sushi had an emergency appendectomy this week. He'll be back kicking for us in a week or two, I suppose.
            Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

            Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

            We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

            We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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            • hawaiiansteel
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 35649

              #7
              Re: With the new kickoff rules, should we carry a KO special

              Can Steelers afford to cut kicker?

              August 28, 2011 - Ray Eckenrode



              Journeyman Swayze Waters is making a case

              The Steelers have an interesting (and potentially important) roster dilemma that no one is talking about. What to do with Swayze Waters?

              Despite having potentially the best name in the NFL, the UAB product has kicked around (rimshot!) a couple NFL camps but never appeared in a regular season game. Almost certainly, the Steelers brought him in this year as “just a training camp leg,” but Shaun Suisham’s appendectomy has pressed him into extended duty.

              While Waters’ placements have been erratic, he’s boomed kickoff after kickoff nine yards deep resulting in touchback after touchback (11 of 13 in the past two games, the returned kicks were brought out from two yards deep and eight yards deep). That’s something that neither Suisham nor Daniel Sepulveda can consistently do, even from the 35 yard line, and it’s something that gives any defense (let alone one of the best defenses in the NFL) a HUGE advantage.

              We’ll have to do a little research at [url="http://www.advancednflstats.com"]http://www.advancednflstats.com[/url], but we’re guessing that giving an opponent an average starting point at the 20 vs., say, the 29, is worth at least a point per game, maybe two points. As we’ve discussed here before in regard to coaches who go for the two-point conversion way too early in games, that’s worth at least one win per season. So if Kevin Colbert, Mike Tomlin and the rest of the Steelers brass aren’t exploring whether their roster can tolerate a kickoff specialist, they should be. And, if they have no intention of keeping Waters around, why let their defense “practice” drives with the opponent starting at the 20 consistently when it’s not going to be like that in real games?

              The kicking game, both this situation and the punting battle, looks like one of the biggest things to watch this Thursday night at Carolina.

              [url="http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/blogs.detail/display/5222/Can-Steelers-afford-to-cut-kicker-.html"]http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/blogs ... cker-.html[/url]

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              • steelblood
                Hall of Famer
                • May 2008
                • 4166

                #8
                Re: With the new kickoff rules, should we carry a KO special

                If it is Waters or Battle, I'd take Waters. Our kick coverage is poor and he's help that tremendously. Besides, does anyone believe that Suisham will be kicking them into deep into the endzone in December?

                Now, if it is Waters or Cortez Allen, I'd take Allen.
                Even if Bill Belichick was getting an atomic wedgie, his face would look exactly the same.

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                • SanAntonioSteelerFan
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 8361

                  #9
                  Re: With the new kickoff rules, should we carry a KO special

                  OK, maybe I'm hallucinating, but didn't "Quadzilla's" consistently short KOs over the years cost us points, games, ... heck, didn't we actually miss the post-season a few years back because of long run backs on TD's kickoffs (TD = Towel Dispenser, aka Jeff Reed)?

                  I guess what I'm saying is that if we can take a weapon out of the other team's hands (the potential for a long run back/short field for the other offense - or worst case scenario a run to the house), it's something that we should strongly consider doing.

                  So many things can go wrong on the KO coverage team, it seems almost a no brainer that if we can eliminate our dependence on them to keep from losing a game, we should, IMO. My vote - keep both kickers!

                  (Only downside scenario ... November, our KO team has spent all season NOT having to make plays, then Waters gets hurt, all of a sudden our kickoffs start getting run back consistently because Sweezey doesn't get them as deep, and we are watching a rusty coverage team getting beat time and time again by run-backs they've gotten "unused" to covering...).


                  We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

                  HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

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                  • flippy
                    Legend
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 17088

                    #10
                    Re: With the new kickoff rules, should we carry a KO special

                    If the KO specialist can put the ball deep into or out of the end zone consistently, then it seems he has more value than a coverage specialist.
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