RIVERS over BEN on top 100 list

[Doogie36]

Please help me understand this? My CHarger friend claims if Rivers played in Pittsburgh he would be equally successful as Ben? He also brings up how tough he is because he played that Championship game with a torn ACL. (THEY LOST). How many times has Ben played hurt (BROKEN NOSE). AHHHH this list was doing ok for me till I saw Rivers not only beat BEN but he crushed him in the ranking. Just had to vent. Anyone have any fire power I can send to my Charger buddy to squash his day. He wont hear it from me anymore! LOL

[Oviedo]

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That's because the list is driven by fantasy football nerds just like the "mainstream" media coverage of the NFL. It's all about stats and how good you look on paper. That is easier than doing research and gaining knowledge and the media is generally lazy.

Bottomline: Ben = Winner; Rivers = Loser

[RuthlessBurgher]

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[Doogie36]

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YES YES YES pics are worth a 1,000 words and this gives me weeks of entertainment!

[RussBII]

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That's because the list is driven by fantasy football nerds just like the "mainstream" media coverage of the NFL. It's all about stats and how good you look on paper. That is easier than doing research and gaining knowledge and the media is generally lazy.

Bottomline: Ben = Winner; Rivers = Loser

The list is voted on by the players, no? I doubt most of them are fantasy nerds... This is all just fall out from Ben's off the field crap.

BTW, Peter King:

2. I think for the players who voted Philip Rivers the 26th-best player in the NFL and Ben Roethlisberger the 41st, I give you these little facts:
Won-lost record: Roethlisberger 69-26, Rivers 55-25.
Playoff record: Roethlisberger 10-3, Rivers 3-4.
Super Bowl wins: Roethlisberger 2, Rivers 0.
Touchdowns: Roethlisberger 144, Rivers 136

[Oviedo]

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That's because the list is driven by fantasy football nerds just like the "mainstream" media coverage of the NFL. It's all about stats and how good you look on paper. That is easier than doing research and gaining knowledge and the media is generally lazy.

Bottomline: Ben = Winner; Rivers = Loser

The list is voted on by the players, no? I doubt most of them are fantasy nerds... This is all just fall out from Ben's off the field crap.

BTW, Peter King:

2. I think for the players who voted Philip Rivers the 26th-best player in the NFL and Ben Roethlisberger the 41st, I give you these little facts:
Won-lost record: Roethlisberger 69-26, Rivers 55-25.
Playoff record: Roethlisberger 10-3, Rivers 3-4.
Super Bowl wins: Roethlisberger 2, Rivers 0.
Touchdowns: Roethlisberger 144, Rivers 136

If the players voted that then there is really proof of hits causing brain damage.

More likely players hate Ben and Steelers kicking their butts.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

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First off, let me get into why this list has no merit.

1) It is voted on by the players and who should know better than them, right? WRONG.....this is the first misconception. Everyone who watches football regularly should know more than the players. Where are you on Sunday at 1:00? Watching football. Where are they? On a playing field only seeing the players from two teams. The only time they see many of the others is when they get home and watch the game highlights.....and you can't really grade out players by watching a few snippets per week. The players who get an advantage here are those who are routinely on Sunday and Monday nights.

2) Another reason that players' ideas are skewed.....it takes three years before each team has played every other team in the league. The idea that they see the players live and in person is wrong. Us TV viewers get a much better sense of players watching them play even 4-5 times a season than a player who gets to watch up close once every three years. The only players who they really know are those in their own division who they see twice a year.

3) For this list to be truly accurate, there should be a full and even representation from each team. There was not. I don't know how they determined who would vote, but I believe that players who were at the Pro Bowl voted. That means that no Steelers or Packers participated that week. I will bet that if they reveal the voters you will find that there were very few Pittsburgh players on the list.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

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My other argument regarding Rivers vs. Ben is what I kept hearing from the NFLN talking heads about why Rivers should be higher. Count the number of times you hear them use the word "numbers" as in....."look at the numbers he put up last season throwing to a bunch of no name receivers". While that might be true, this is not baseball and you can not determine who is a better player simply by numbers. Here are some reasons why.......

1) I heard someone mention that Rivers was missing his LT, but Ben was missing both tackles and had two subpar guards. Ben plays behind a line that is considered to be one of the worst pass blocking lines in the game.

2) This is one that I never understand why it isn't mentioned more often in numbers debates - Rivers plays home games in ideal conditions for putting up numbers - like Peyton and Brees as well. Perfect weather and a fast track. Ben plays on a field that is considered to be the worst track in the league and often in horrible conditions. On top of that, Ben plays three other games every year in Baltimore, Cleveland, and Cincinnati. Cold weather cities all.

3) Rivers is guaranteed to play 38% of his games in one of the two weakest divisions in the NFL. Who is his Baltimore D? All three teams together couldn't put together a D as ferocious as the one that Ben faces twice a year every year.

4) Shouldn't you factor in the fact that Ben had 4 games taken away from him? That he had significant practice time taken away from him? That he was forced to stay away from his team, missed team meetings, missed talking with coaches for a period of time? If this is the best of 2011 then you have to factor in that he would not be missing this time again. If you are using strictly 2010 then fine, but if you are using 2010 then Revis should be knocked way down the list because he missed a bit of time with injury and then was picked on for quite a bit when he returned, before he returned to form.

5) I love it when people knock Ben down for his crappy performance in SB XL. First off, he played outstanding throughout the playoff run to get them there, and as far as his performance went, how did Rivers did in his second season in the SB? Oh wait, he still hasn't played in a SB, nevermind doing it as a soph.

[anger 82&95]

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Rivers lacks poise… He often preens, postures and hurls himself around in the throes of a hissy fit. IMHO, “great” NFL quarterbacks rarely act this way during the process of professional play.

[feltdizz]

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Hmmm.... so Steeler fans know more than NFL players who play the game? I think not. The rankings and comparison between these 2 QB's is based on passing offense in 2011 isn't it?

I think Ben is a better QB overall but in 2011 I don't think it matters how many SB's or career TD's Ben has vs Rivers. Ben plays against the Ravens but Cincy and Cleveland are much easier to win at then Denver or Kansas City.

I think defenders probably think Rivers was harder to defend last year because he spreads the ball around and makes faster decisions.

I think Ben and Troy are probably 2 of the best football players in the game right now but I have mo problem when people say Brees or Ed Reed are better at those positions. It can be debated all day long but I don't think wins and rings are the barometer of a good player. Wins and Rings are the barometer of a good team.

[Djfan]

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Ben plays against the Ravens but Cincy and Cleveland are much easier to win at then Denver or Kansas City.

Denver sucked wind this year.

[rpmpit]

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The list is BS. Woodley was on Total Access a few weeks back and said that he didn't vote on the list...AND didn't know anyone who actually did get to vote. So who voted??

I usually enjoy NFLN's programming. Haven't watched any of this garbage since I heard there was only 4 Steelers on the list. Not being a homer. Just an educated NFL fan.

[feltdizz]

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Denver sucked last year but Mile High is still harder to win in then Cleveland or Cinci.

If Woodley doesn't know anyone who voted then it's a problem because the league is filled with Michigan men... I'll be honest, I don't even watch NFLN due to the lockout. I think every player should get a chance to vote.

[steelblood]

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Personally, I like Ben better (especially in big games). But, I think Rivers is a fantastic QB. I love his fire. I think he is very tough and an accurate thrower at all levels. It isn't as big of a slight as some of you make it out to be. The guy is a hell of a player.

[NJ-STEELER]

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Is this based just on last year??

I researched the season rivers had last year ( remembering a couple that i watched) and there were 4-5 games where he and his offense did squat in the 1st half only to come out and move the ball vs defenses keeping the ball in front of them

The ram and IIRC Oakland game were 2 examples of this. Not really powerhouse teams last year. I guess fantasy footballers played a big part on these rankings

Now I see how Going 9-7 with 10 games coming from if own weak division and the other from the NFC west gets rewarded