Official PlanetSteelers 2011 Mock Draft Commentary Thread

[D Rock]

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Thanks for the detailed post on Ponder there Ruthless.

I got my guy at the spot I had set up a trade already. That worked out beautifully.

Ponder is a great fit for the 49'ers and their new West Coast offense they will be implementing...you made a great choice.

and if you hadn't traded up, I can assure you that Ponder would have been long gone by the time the 49ers drafted at #45 in Round 2.

you say that as if you have insider info on what 1/3 of the teams in this draft are thinking....

[hawaiiansteel]

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[quote=D Rock]

Thanks for the detailed post on Ponder there Ruthless.

I got my guy at the spot I had set up a trade already. That worked out beautifully.

Ponder is a great fit for the 49'ers and their new West Coast offense they will be implementing...you made a great choice.

and if you hadn't traded up, I can assure you that Ponder would have been long gone by the time the 49ers drafted at #45 in Round 2.

you say that as if you have insider info on what 1/3 of the teams in this draft are thinking....
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I do know what Washington and Minnesota were thinking, guess I'm just smart that way...

[RuthlessBurgher]

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[quote=hawaiiansteel]

Thanks for the detailed post on Ponder there Ruthless.

I got my guy at the spot I had set up a trade already. That worked out beautifully.

Ponder is a great fit for the 49'ers and their new West Coast offense they will be implementing...you made a great choice.

and if you hadn't traded up, I can assure you that Ponder would have been long gone by the time the 49ers drafted at #45 in Round 2.

you say that as if you have insider info on what 1/3 of the teams in this draft are thinking....

I do know what Washington and Minnesota were thinking, guess I'm just smart that way...[/quote:1hwa3dn7]

Wow...since when to the front offices for the Vikes and Skins actually think about these players before they draft them???

[D Rock]

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Huh. Aaron Williams to the Packers?

I guess Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams, and Sam Shields just aren't cutting it anymore.


2nd year man, and last year's 3rd mound draft pick, Morgan Burnett is now the 5th corner at best....


Well, it's your team pfelix, I guess you can do with it what you want.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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Huh. Aaron Williams to the Packers?

I guess Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams, and Sam Shields just aren't cutting it anymore.


2nd year man, and last year's 3rd mound draft pick, Morgan Burnett is now the 5th corner at best....


Well, it's your team pfelix, I guess you can do with it what you want.

I believe Burnett's a safety, not a corner. Plus, at his age, Woodson may be better as a safety than a corner. Then again, people are saying that Aaron Williams may be a better FS than CB himself on the next level.

[D Rock]

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Huh. Aaron Williams to the Packers?

I guess Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams, and Sam Shields just aren't cutting it anymore.


2nd year man, and last year's 3rd mound draft pick, Morgan Burnett is now the 5th corner at best....


Well, it's your team pfelix, I guess you can do with it what you want.

I believe Burnett's a safety, not a corner. Plus, at his age, Woodson may be better as a safety than a corner. Then again, people are saying that Aaron Williams may be a better FS than CB himself on the next level.

You're right, Burnett is a safety I was wrong on that one.


But Woodson isn't likely to become a safety, at least not on that team. I imagine if they wanted to get some more years out of him they would try to make him a FS not a SS, and they've already got Nick Collins there. Besides, even at his age, Woodson is still a damn good corner.


I could see taking a strong safety in the first, but a CB/FS just doesn't seem like the best way to go for a team already stacked with playmakers in the defensive backfield.

[steelblood]

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8 cornerbacks in the first 48 picks? Wow. You guys sure are making it hard on the Steelers.

[hawaiiansteel]

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8 cornerbacks in the first 48 picks? Wow. You guys sure are making it hard on the Steelers.

the NFL has basically become a pass-happy QB-driven league, virtually every team is in need of good CBs that can help defend against today's multiple WR spread offenses.

and the Ravens need to take a CB still before the Steelers pick again...

[steelblood]

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8 cornerbacks in the first 48 picks? Wow. You guys sure are making it hard on the Steelers.

the NFL has basically become a pass-happy QB-driven league, virtually every team is in need of good CBs that can help defend against today's multiple WR spread offenses.

and the Ravens need to take a CB still before the Steelers pick again...

Pass league. Yet we only have 2 WRs and one safety. I think what we have here is a group of mock drafters who have spent a lot of time studying cbs because that is what the Steelers need. We may be overvaluing them even more than the teams who are desperate for CBs.

I wouldn't be totally shocked to see 8 cbs go in the first 48. But, I would be surprised. I'd say 8-9 in the first 64 is about right. It just isn't a talented enough class to warrant many more.

Just an observation. I don't mean for this to come off as a complaint. This is fun. I'm just analyzing what's happened.

[hawaiiansteel]

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8 cornerbacks in the first 48 picks? Wow. You guys sure are making it hard on the Steelers.

the NFL has basically become a pass-happy QB-driven league, virtually every team is in need of good CBs that can help defend against today's multiple WR spread offenses.

and the Ravens need to take a CB still before the Steelers pick again...

Pass league. Yet we only have 2 WRs and one safety. I think what we have here is a group of mock drafters who have spent a lot of time studying cbs because that is what the Steelers need. We may be overvaluing them even more than the teams who are desperate for CBs.

I wouldn't be totally shocked to see 8 cbs go in the first 48. But, I would be surprised. I'd say 8-9 in the first 64 is about right. It just isn't a talented enough class to warrant many more.

Just an observation. I don't mean for this to come off as a complaint. This is fun. I'm just analyzing what's happened.

Patrick Peterson, Prince Amukamara and Jimmy Smith are Round 1 CBs and Ras-I Dowling, Aaron Williams and Brandon Harris are Round 1-2 rated CBs...so that makes 6 right there. Curtis Brown (projected as a mid 2nd round pick) and Davon House (especially after he ran a 4.32 at his Pro Day with the Raiders in attendance) were the other 2 CBs that were definitely Round 2 worthy so I don't believe they were overdrafted either. House is NFLDraftScout.com's No. 7 rated CB and they have him being selected in the 2nd round.

and remember because of the lockout teams are forced to approach the draft assuming their free agent CBs like Asomugha, Ike Taylor, etc. won't be back....this places even a higher value on drafting a CB replacement early this year.

[steelblood]

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Right, I never disagreed with any of that. I said 8-9 in the first two rounds. Just surprised by 8 in the first 48. At this pace, we could see 10 or 11 corners picked in the first 64 (especially with Baltimore and Pittsburgh still desperate for help). That would be a little high, imo.

Consider the following...

walter football's 4-19 draft
[url="http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2011.php"]http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2011.php[/url]
5 CBs in the first 48, 7 in the first 64

draftcountdown's 4-20 mock
[url="http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php"]http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php[/url]
7 CBs in the first 48, 7 in the first 64

Russ Lande, gm jr/sporting news
[url="http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2011-04/final-mock-draft/story/nfl-final-mock-draft-round-1-2011-nfl-mock-draft"]http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/20 ... mock-draft[/url]
4 CBs in the first 48, 6 in the first 64

keylargo's national football report
6 cbs in 48, 9 in 64
[url="http://thenationalfootballreport.com/draft/mock-draft/mock-draft-9-0-7-rounds/"]http://thenationalfootballreport.com/dr ... -7-rounds/[/url]

As you can see, by the middle of the 2nd round (pick 4, the Planet Steelers mock has a very high number of corners selected relative to other mock drafts and projections. This is my point. Is it possible? Absolutely. Is it likely? Probably not. Just an observation. It is interesting how it has unfolded.

[hawaiiansteel]

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Right, I never disagreed with any of that. I said 8-9 in the first two rounds. Just surprised by 8 in the first 48. At this pace, we could see 10 or 11 corners picked in the first 64 (especially with Baltimore and Pittsburgh still desperate for help). That would be a little high, imo.

Consider the following...

walter football's 4-19 draft
[url="http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2011.php"]http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2011.php[/url]
5 CBs in the first 48, 7 in the first 64

draftcountdown's 4-20 mock
[url="http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php"]http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php[/url]
7 CBs in the first 48, 7 in the first 64

Russ Lande, gm jr/sporting news
[url="http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2011-04/final-mock-draft/story/nfl-final-mock-draft-round-1-2011-nfl-mock-draft"]http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/20 ... mock-draft[/url]
4 CBs in the first 48, 6 in the first 64

keylargo's national football report
6 cbs in 48, 9 in 64
[url="http://thenationalfootballreport.com/draft/mock-draft/mock-draft-9-0-7-rounds/"]http://thenationalfootballreport.com/dr ... -7-rounds/[/url]

As you can see, by the middle of the 2nd round (pick 4, the Planet Steelers mock has a very high number of corners selected relative to other mock drafts and projections. This is my point. Is it possible? Absolutely. Is it likely? Probably not. Just an observation. It is interesting how it has unfolded.

when Pittsburgh's selection at #31 came around the Steelers had the chance to draft any CB except Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara who went in the first 7 picks and Jimmy Smith, who most likely isn't even on the Steelers' draft board.

it's interesting that you quoted Walter's Football and Draft Countdown to make your point, did you by any chance notice who they had Pittsburgh selecting with their pick at #31? they both had us picking CB Aaron Williams, and he was still available in our PS mock when Pittsburgh was on the clock at #31. and Russ Lande from the Sporting News had Ras-I Dowling going to the Patriots at #28, Dowling was also still available when the Steelers were scheduled to pick at #31.

however, you chose not to take Aaron Williams (who pfelix and the Packers jumped on with pick #32 right afterwards) or Ras-I Dowling or Brandon Harris and trade down instead to a spot behind Houston and Detroit. when the Lions missed out on Prince Amukamara in the first you surely must have known they would go CB in Round 2 and when the CB starved Texans who had the worst pass defense in the NFL last season chose a DE in Round 1 you had to figure they would look to draft a CB in Round 2.

the Steelers definitely should not have traded down below the Texans and the Lions if they were looking for one of the top CBs...and once you did, you could have traded up ahead of the Lions and Texans using only a 4th round draft choice, I know for a fact that the Dallas Cowboys and the New Orleans Saints at #s 40 and 41 would have accepted that trade with the Steelers.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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8 cornerbacks in the first 48 picks? Wow. You guys sure are making it hard on the Steelers.

In addition to the CB's as you mentioned, we are also very heavy on d-lineman so far (which was certainly expected...some experts are calling for nearly half of the first round to be on the DL). Also 10 o-linemen are off the board at this point (I expected Pouncey and the top 5 OT's to go in round 1, plus Ijalana likely early in round 2, but was somewhat surprised at how early Carpenter, Cannon, and Gilbert went). Five QB's off the board as well (2 early first, 2 late first, and 1 second so far).

What does this all mean? We only have 1 RB (Ingram), 2 WR (Green and Jones), 1 TE (Rudolph), and 1 true safety (Moore...it appears that Green Bay drafted Aaron Williams to be a CB in their system, not a safety at this point) through a round and a half of our mock. Perhaps we start to see a run on some of these positions going forward now that some of the others have been nearly picked clean early. We shall see...

[steelblood]

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Right, I never disagreed with any of that. I said 8-9 in the first two rounds. Just surprised by 8 in the first 48. At this pace, we could see 10 or 11 corners picked in the first 64 (especially with Baltimore and Pittsburgh still desperate for help). That would be a little high, imo.

Consider the following...

walter football's 4-19 draft
[url="http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2011.php"]http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2011.php[/url]
5 CBs in the first 48, 7 in the first 64

draftcountdown's 4-20 mock
[url="http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php"]http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php[/url]
7 CBs in the first 48, 7 in the first 64

Russ Lande, gm jr/sporting news
[url="http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2011-04/final-mock-draft/story/nfl-final-mock-draft-round-1-2011-nfl-mock-draft"]http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/20 ... mock-draft[/url]
4 CBs in the first 48, 6 in the first 64

keylargo's national football report
6 cbs in 48, 9 in 64
[url="http://thenationalfootballreport.com/draft/mock-draft/mock-draft-9-0-7-rounds/"]http://thenationalfootballreport.com/dr ... -7-rounds/[/url]

As you can see, by the middle of the 2nd round (pick 4, the Planet Steelers mock has a very high number of corners selected relative to other mock drafts and projections. This is my point. Is it possible? Absolutely. Is it likely? Probably not. Just an observation. It is interesting how it has unfolded.

when Pittsburgh's selection at #31 came around the Steelers had the chance to draft any CB except Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara who went in the first 7 picks and Jimmy Smith, who most likely isn't even on the Steelers' draft board.

it's interesting that you quoted Walter's Football and Draft Countdown to make your point, did you by any chance notice who they had Pittsburgh selecting with their pick at #31? they both had us picking CB Aaron Williams, and he was still available in our PS mock when Pittsburgh was on the clock at #31. and Russ Lande from the Sporting News had Ras-I Dowling going to the Patriots at #28, Dowling was also still available when the Steelers were scheduled to pick at #31.

however, you chose not to take Aaron Williams (who pfelix and the Packers jumped on with pick #32 right afterwards) or Ras-I Dowling or Brandon Harris and trade down instead to a spot behind Houston and Detroit. when the Lions missed out on Prince Amukamara in the first you surely must have known they would go CB in Round 2 and when the CB starved Texans who had the worst pass defense in the NFL last season chose a DE in Round 1 you had to figure they would look to draft a CB in Round 2.

the Steelers definitely should not have traded down below the Texans and the Lions if they were looking for one of the top CBs...and once you did, you could have traded up ahead of the Lions and Texans using only a 4th round draft choice, I know for a fact that the Dallas Cowboys and the New Orleans Saints at #s 40 and 41 would have accepted that trade with the Steelers.

Frankly, I don't love Williams that much more than the other guys (Dowling, Moore - who can play nickel corner, Brown, and Harris). I figured one would be there at the pick I traded for. They weren't. I would have traded back up if I could have (but the negotiation I was in at work ran really long). Oh well, we move on and try to adjust.

[steelblood]

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8 cornerbacks in the first 48 picks? Wow. You guys sure are making it hard on the Steelers.

In addition to the CB's as you mentioned, we are also very heavy on d-lineman so far (which was certainly expected...some experts are calling for nearly half of the first round to be on the DL). Also 10 o-linemen are off the board at this point (I expected Pouncey and the top 5 OT's to go in round 1, plus Ijalana likely early in round 2, but was somewhat surprised at how early Carpenter, Cannon, and Gilbert went). Five QB's off the board as well (2 early first, 2 late first, and 1 second so far).

What does this all mean? We only have 1 RB (Ingram), 2 WR (Green and Jones), 1 TE (Rudolph), and 1 true safety (Moore...it appears that Green Bay drafted Aaron Williams to be a CB in their system, not a safety at this point) through a round and a half of our mock. Perhaps we start to see a run on some of these positions going forward now that some of the others have been nearly picked clean early. We shall see...

Yeah, Carpenter and Cannon were on my Steeler's short list. But, they are talented guys, and I could see them getting picked where they did.