NFL: You can no longer hit the QB while he is in the act of.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: NFL: You can no longer hit the QB while he is in the act

Today's rule involves the ban on hitting defenseless players. In recent years the NFL has done more and more to prevent these hits first prohibiting hits on defenseless WRs, then certain blocks on defenders and now they're just banning hits on defenseless players altogether. An illegal hit on a defenseless player is when the initial force of contact by a players head, shoulder, or forearm is to the head or neck area.

[url="http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2010/8/10/1615365/2010-nfl-rule-changes-hitting"]http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2010 ... es-hitting[/url]

That's what I said earlier in this thread (more or less).

[SteelTorch]

Re: NFL: You can no longer hit the QB while he is in the act

Today's rule involves the ban on hitting defenseless players. In recent years the NFL has done more and more to prevent these hits first prohibiting hits on defenseless WRs, then certain blocks on defenders and now they're just banning hits on defenseless players altogether. An illegal hit on a defenseless player is when the initial force of contact by a players head, shoulder, or forearm is to the head or neck area.

[url="http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2010/8/10/1615365/2010-nfl-rule-changes-hitting"]http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2010 ... es-hitting[/url]

That's what I said earlier in this thread (more or less).

Did you not read the initial post?? They've expanded the definition entirely - now a QB "in the act of throwing" is considered defenseless REGARDLESS of where or how he is it.

[Dee Dub]

Re: NFL: You can no longer hit the QB while he is in the act

Today's rule involves the ban on hitting defenseless players. In recent years the NFL has done more and more to prevent these hits first prohibiting hits on defenseless WRs, then certain blocks on defenders and now they're just banning hits on defenseless players altogether. An illegal hit on a defenseless player is when the initial force of contact by a players head, shoulder, or forearm is to the head or neck area.

[url="http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2010/8/10/1615365/2010-nfl-rule-changes-hitting"]http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2010 ... es-hitting[/url]

That's what I said earlier in this thread (more or less).

But this isn’t correct. Already on the books, prior to this new ruling, is the rule that if a receiver is defenseless you cannot hit him at all. No kind of way. You can't even use your open hands as if to push him. And now this is going to be extended to these other 8 new definitions of a defenseless player. It doesn’t matter where you hit them, how you hit them, or with what part of your body you use.

Explain to me the current defenseless receiver rule. It has nothing to do with hitting them with the helmet, the shoulder or forearm to the head or neck area of the receiver. A penalty is thrown for any type of hit on a defenseless player not just those. This is now going to be extended to the new 8 definitions of a defenseless player.

[Mister Pittsburgh]

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I agree that someone should just create a new league. Adopt the rules from the NFL rulebook 10 years ago and start it up. The NFL blows now. Roger Goodell has ruined the NFL.

[snarky]

Re: NFL: You can no longer hit the QB while he is in the act

Everywhere I can find a definition of the defenseless player rule (ESPN, blogs etc.) it specifically mentions the hits above the shoulders as being what makes the hit illegal.

So if you have a link to a different definition, please post it.

[snarky]

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from the link in the OP

"We want to be much more clear on what can be a suspendable incident," Anderson said. "The emphasis is on head and neck hits and what a defenseless player is. And we will work hard that people understand what is a repeat offender and what is a flagrant foul."

[Dee Dub]

Re: NFL: You can no longer hit the QB while he is in the act

Everywhere I can find a definition of the defenseless player rule (ESPN, blogs etc.) it specifically mentions the hits above the shoulders as being what makes the hit illegal.

So if you have a link to a different definition, please post it.

Let me ask you this snarky…if a receiver goes up high off the ground to attempt a reception and the ball is over thrown off the tips of the receivers hands is the defender allowed to go up and hit the receiver mid-section with his shoulder?

Nope! He is deemed a defenseless receiver and a penalty is usually thrown.

[flippy]

Re: NFL: You can no longer hit the QB while he is in the act

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I'm sure the new fans will go nuts if they don't quickly add Reunite and Cheeze Whiz to their menus.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: NFL: You can no longer hit the QB while he is in the act

Everywhere I can find a definition of the defenseless player rule (ESPN, blogs etc.) it specifically mentions the hits above the shoulders as being what makes the hit illegal.

So if you have a link to a different definition, please post it.

Let me ask you this snarky…if a receiver goes up high off the ground to attempt a reception and the ball is over thrown off the tips of the receivers hands is the defender allowed to go up and hit the receiver mid-section with his shoulder?

Nope! He is deemed a defenseless receiver and a penalty is usually thrown.

You can't lead with your helmet or forearm into their head/neck area, and can't piledrive them into the ground with your full weight, but you can hit him.

[Dee Dub]

Re: NFL: You can no longer hit the QB while he is in the act

Everywhere I can find a definition of the defenseless player rule (ESPN, blogs etc.) it specifically mentions the hits above the shoulders as being what makes the hit illegal.

So if you have a link to a different definition, please post it.

Let me ask you this snarky…if a receiver goes up high off the ground to attempt a reception and the ball is over thrown off the tips of the receivers hands is the defender allowed to go up and hit the receiver mid-section with his shoulder?

Nope! He is deemed a defenseless receiver and a penalty is usually thrown.

You can't lead with your helmet or forearm into their head/neck area, and can't piledrive them into the ground with your full weight, but you can hit him.

Nope...not if the receiver is outstretched (defenseless). They are calling that a penalty regardless of how you hit him and where. The key word here with the NFL is now "DEFENSELESS". That will define just about everything now.

[flippy]

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can't piledrive them into the ground with your full weight, but you can hit him.

That's why Paul Orndorf never made it as a football player.

I remember getting in trouble in school for trying to pile drive a friend. We didn't know you could actually snap someone's neck. We were just dumb kids.

So we practiced the figure four leg lock instead. That actually hurts if someone reverses it on you. To this day, that's the most classic move of all time in my book. Reversing the figure four leg lock.

Although a close second has to be the camel clutch. How'd they come up with that name? What the heck was the iran shiek doing to the poor camel? Actually now it sounds like a move that would be reserved for women's wrestling. They WWE needs a middle eastern women to put other women in the camel clutch. It would be a thing of beauty.

[Steelgal]

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...THROWING A FOOTBALL!!

Well, unless that quarterback is Ben Roethlisberger. Then feel free to punch him in the face, break his nose, and still NOT get a penalty for it

[snarky]

Re: NFL: You can no longer hit the QB while he is in the act

[quote=Dee Dub]

Everywhere I can find a definition of the defenseless player rule (ESPN, blogs etc.) it specifically mentions the hits above the shoulders as being what makes the hit illegal.

So if you have a link to a different definition, please post it.

Let me ask you this snarky…if a receiver goes up high off the ground to attempt a reception and the ball is over thrown off the tips of the receivers hands is the defender allowed to go up and hit the receiver mid-section with his shoulder?

Nope! He is deemed a defenseless receiver and a penalty is usually thrown.

You can't lead with your helmet or forearm into their head/neck area, and can't piledrive them into the ground with your full weight, but you can hit him.

Nope...not if the receiver is outstretched (defenseless). They are calling that a penalty regardless of how you hit him and where. The key word here with the NFL is now "DEFENSELESS". That will define just about everything now.[/quote:72ltegwa]

What exactly are you basing this on other than your opinion. Got a link to anything that can substantiate what you are saying?

[Dee Dub]

Re: NFL: You can no longer hit the QB while he is in the act

[quote=snarky]

Everywhere I can find a definition of the defenseless player rule (ESPN, blogs etc.) it specifically mentions the hits above the shoulders as being what makes the hit illegal.

So if you have a link to a different definition, please post it.

Let me ask you this snarky…if a receiver goes up high off the ground to attempt a reception and the ball is over thrown off the tips of the receivers hands is the defender allowed to go up and hit the receiver mid-section with his shoulder?

Nope! He is deemed a defenseless receiver and a penalty is usually thrown.

You can't lead with your helmet or forearm into their head/neck area, and can't piledrive them into the ground with your full weight, but you can hit him.

Nope...not if the receiver is outstretched (defenseless). They are calling that a penalty regardless of how you hit him and where. The key word here with the NFL is now "DEFENSELESS". That will define just about everything now.

What exactly are you basing this on other than your opinion. Got a link to anything that can substantiate what you are saying?[/quote:34c77qpl]

It's what they have been calling the past two years in the NFL. Ryan Clark had one of these this past year. No helmet to helmet. No shoulder to helmet. It was shoulder to mid-section. Also the Steelers actually got a call on I think Joe Flacco in the playoffs for hitting him as he released the ball. The call on the field was not roughing the passer but hitting a defenseless player.

[eniparadoxgma]

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Although a close second has to be the camel clutch. How'd they come up with that name? What the heck was the iran shiek doing to the poor camel? Actually now it sounds like a move that would be reserved for women's wrestling. They WWE needs a middle eastern women to put other women in the camel clutch. It would be a thing of beauty.

I nominate this for Post of the Year.