BPA Likely To Be Steelers Draft Plan In 1st Round Of Draft

[RuthlessBurgher]

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[quote=Dee Dub]

keisel made the pro bowl


gay, mcfadden, clark did not

Give me a break. He was like a 3rd alternate that got the nod because of others who couldn’t go. And at 33 tackles and 3 sacks in all of 11 games played it wasn’t because of his play. It was because of the overall success of the Steelers. Keisel is not a pro bowler by first choice...only by default.[/quote:2ok1g9qx]

But guys like Gay, McFadden, and Clark wouldn't make the Pro Bowl even if it got down to the 20-something alternate.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: BPA Likely To Be Steelers Draft Plan In 1st Round Of Dra

[quote=RuthlessBurgher]

keisel made the pro bowl


gay, mcfadden, clark did not

Give me a break. He was like a 3rd alternate that got the nod because of others who couldn’t go. And at 33 tackles and 3 sacks in all of 11 games played it wasn’t because of his play. It was because of the overall success of the Steelers. Keisel is not a pro bowler by first choice...only by default.

But guys like Gay, McFadden, and Clark wouldn't make the Pro Bowl even if it got down to the 20-something alternate.[/quote:12sm2p3s]

bingo

i dont think keisel is great by any stretch, but he certainly holds his own.

the others i mention...not so much

[Dee Dub]

Re: BPA Likely To Be Steelers Draft Plan In 1st Round Of Dra

[quote=RuthlessBurgher]

keisel made the pro bowl


gay, mcfadden, clark did not

Give me a break. He was like a 3rd alternate that got the nod because of others who couldn’t go. And at 33 tackles and 3 sacks in all of 11 games played it wasn’t because of his play. It was because of the overall success of the Steelers. Keisel is not a pro bowler by first choice...only by default.

But guys like Gay, McFadden, and Clark wouldn't make the Pro Bowl even if it got down to the 20-something alternate.[/quote:27fyclqq]

Ruthless....I never said anything about Gay, McFadden, or Clark. That was NJ-Steeler. Not me. But I agree with you.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: BPA Likely To Be Steelers Draft Plan In 1st Round Of Dra

so you would draft a guy #1 who would sit behind

kiesel (above average player)
hampton (very good player)
hood (up and coming good player)
smith (very good player when healthy)
hoke (good back up)

[Dee Dub]

Re: BPA Likely To Be Steelers Draft Plan In 1st Round Of Dra

so you would draft a guy #1 who would sit behind

kiesel (above average player)
hampton (very good player)
hood (up and coming good player)
smith (very good player when healthy)
hoke (good back up)

I would draft the best player on the board who fills a need. And then I would trust my scouting department. If he is rated high enough to draft in the first round I would believe that they see him as good enough to start right away. Then I would let the process happen...see what he does in camp. If he shows he is better than those ahead of him, then I start him.

And just a word of advise…I wouldnt hold your hat on the likes of Keisel and Smith . Those two are aging and they have a history of not playing throughout a whole season. Keisel has missed 12 games in the past 3 years and Smith has missed 26 in the past 4 years.

[Chadman]

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Keisel is a better 3-4 DE than Dee Dub makes him out to be....

BUT....


There is only 1 DL plyer at the Steelers under 30 years of age. History & statistics will show that the older a player gets, the more injury prone they become. So an injection of youth along the DL is going to be vital, very soon.

That said, Phil Taylor's character concerns will LIKELY scratch him from the Steelers 1st round targets.

Wonder what the Steelers think of Stephen Paea...

Chadman thinks Corey Luiget is this years Ziggy Hood.

[Dee Dub]

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Keisel is a better 3-4 DE than Dee Dub makes him out to be....

and how do I make him out to be? Are the injuries and missed games the past 3 years on him not true? Are his numbers not average to pedestrian when he does play?

I like him trust me but I can also see what he really is too. He has been a serviceable player but for me...I want more than that. I want a dominator.

[Dee Dub]

Re: BPA Likely To Be Steelers Draft Plan In 1st Round Of Dra

That said, Phil Taylor's character concerns will LIKELY scratch him from the Steelers 1st round targets.

I would hope the Steelers brass wouldn’t hold a fight at a fraternity party in 2008 as more important than what Taylor has done with his life the past 3 years.

Gil Brandt likes him. And he says after his personal pro day he improved his stock.

[url="http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/03/03/taylor-watkins-improve-stock-at-baylors-pro-day/"]http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/03/03/taylor- ... s-pro-day/[/url]

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: BPA Likely To Be Steelers Draft Plan In 1st Round Of Dra

[quote=Dee Dub]

so you would draft a guy #1 who would sit behind

kiesel (above average player)
hampton (very good player)
hood (up and coming good player)
smith (very good player when healthy)
hoke (good back up)

I would draft the best player on the board who fills a need. And then I would trust my scouting department. If he is rated high enough to draft in the first round I would believe that they see him as good enough to start right away. Then I would let the process happen...see what he does in camp. If he shows he is better than those ahead of him, then I start him.

And just a word of advise…I wouldnt hold your hat on the likes of Keisel and Smith . Those two are aging and they have a history of not playing throughout a whole season. Keisel has missed 12 games in the past 3 years and Smith has missed 26 in the past 4 years.[/quote:3iebio88]

it depends where you think DL falls in line of need for us.

i'd probably rank it no higher then 5th. so yes, i would think there would be someone rated in the area of 31 that addresses a bigger need.

and Defensive Lineman get hurt. period. dont think it matters much if they're under or over 30

how old were pouncey and mendenhall when they were injured in their rookie years

[Dee Dub]

Re: BPA Likely To Be Steelers Draft Plan In 1st Round Of Dra

[quote=NJ-STEELER][quote="Dee Dub":35fwm279]

so you would draft a guy #1 who would sit behind

kiesel (above average player)
hampton (very good player)
hood (up and coming good player)
smith (very good player when healthy)
hoke (good back up)

I would draft the best player on the board who fills a need. And then I would trust my scouting department. If he is rated high enough to draft in the first round I would believe that they see him as good enough to start right away. Then I would let the process happen...see what he does in camp. If he shows he is better than those ahead of him, then I start him.

And just a word of advise…I wouldnt hold your hat on the likes of Keisel and Smith . Those two are aging and they have a history of not playing throughout a whole season. Keisel has missed 12 games in the past 3 years and Smith has missed 26 in the past 4 years.[/quote:35fwm279]

it depends where you think DL falls in line of need for us.

i'd probably rank it no higher then 5th. so yes, i would think there would be someone rated in the area of 31 that addresses a bigger need.

and Defensive Lineman get hurt. period. dont think it matters much if they're under or over 30

how old were pouncey and mendenhall when they were injured in their rookie years[/quote:35fwm279]

That’s not what I said. I said the “Best Player” on the board that fits a need. I, like the Pittsburgh Steelers, value their rank and where they rate on the draft board. That is more important to me that what is the biggest need. The Steelers generally go BPA and that seems to work for them. I agree with it.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: BPA Likely To Be Steelers Draft Plan In 1st Round Of Dra

i disagree. they pick based on need, especially in the 1st round


if they have 2 guys rated near each other and a DL is ranked higher but a lower need, they'll go with the other

[Dee Dub]

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i disagree. they pick based on need, especially in the 1st round

Ok that is what you would do but that isnt what the Steelers have been doing.

See:

Evander Hood
Rashard Mendenhall
Lawrence Timmons
Santonio Holmes

None of which was the biggest need at the time of those drafts. Needs? Yes but not their biggest needs.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: BPA Likely To Be Steelers Draft Plan In 1st Round Of Dra

besides maybe hood, the other 3 were definitely top needs of the team. And if you're arguing that DE is a need this year cause of age and injuries, then it certainly was much more of one a couple of years ago before ziggy got here

1. holmes - coming into a season with hines and wilson as starters...Big need
2. timmons- in an offseason where both starting OLBs were let go... big need
3. Mendy - dont know if there was anyone in the message board world out there that didn't want a bigger back to pair with willie. several years of mocks years before he was drafted suggested a top 3 round RB being drafted to go along with him... not as big as a need as the other picks, but certainly one of the top needs


again, i Have trouble putting DL in the top 4 of needs this year

cb (times 2 maybe)
FS
RG
OT

i think i'd even take a receiver before as well if both a DL and a WR slated to go around #31 were there

there will be a playerout of those 4/5 positions that grade at around the #31 mark who they'll draft before taylor. i would be shocked to see us draft a DE/DL at in the 1st round

[hawaiiansteel]

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Pittsburgh Steelers Mock Draft Round Up

Posted on March 16, 2011 by adam


Leading up to April’s draft we’ll take an occasional look around the web and update you on a list of mock drafts and which players people have going to the Steelers. This is the first such update. We’re searching the Internet so you don’t have to…

Pittsburgh Steelers Mock Draft Round Up

Site Pick School (Pos.)

Mel Kiper Danny Watkins Baylor (Guard)
CBS Derek Sherrod Mississippi State (Tackle)
Sports Illustrated Aaron Williams Texas (Cornerback)
Mocking The Draft Martez Wilson Illinois (Linebacker)
Draft Countdown Mike Pouncey Florida (Guard)
Walter Football Martez Wilson Illinois (Linebacker)
NFL Draftdog Muhammed Wilkerson Temple (Defensive Tackle)
MyNFLDraft Benjamin Ijalana Villanova (Tackle)
DraftKing Brandon Harris Miami (Cornerback)
Football’sFuture Brandon Harris Miami (Cornerback)
Shutdown Corner Aaron Williams Texas (Cornerback)
NewNFLDraft Gabe Carimi Wisconsin (Tackle)

To the surprise of no one cornerbacks and offensive line are the consensus pick, with a defensive tackle and linebacker thrown in. And I don’t hate either of those positions. The Steelers are getting long in the tooth on defense, and as good as James Farrior has been on and off the field for the franchise, he is closer to the end of his playing career than he is the beginning. He rebounded nicely in 2010 from what was a down 2009, but he’s still going to be one of the oldest starting middle linebackers in the NFL in 2011. Wilson seems to be the type of athlete the Steelers like, even if he is a bit older (23) than most of their recent top picks. Still, at least he’s not 26 like Kiper’s guy is. Many players hit free agency at 26. Not the draft.

It’s a similar story on the defensive line in terms of age. With the exception of Ziggy Hood and Steve McClendon, everybody manning that position is north of 30 with some of them having durability concerns moving forward. These aren’t positions of immediate need as far as starters are concerned in 2011, but the only positions the Steelers could probably plug in a rookie starter as of this moment are cornerback (depending on what happens with Ike Taylor and William Gay in free agency) and right guard. Given how late right guards seem to be found in the draft across the league, it doesn’t appear to be a position that is in dire need of a first-round selection, unless you absolutely want the Pouncey brothers to be reunited.

[url="http://www.steelerslounge.com/2011/03/pittsburgh-steelers-mock-draft/"]http://www.steelerslounge.com/2011/03/p ... ock-draft/[/url]

[Dee Dub]

Re: BPA Likely To Be Steelers Draft Plan In 1st Round Of Dra

besides maybe hood, the other 3 were definitely top needs of the team. And if you're arguing that DE is a need this year cause of age and injuries, then it certainly was much more of one a couple of years ago before ziggy got here

1. holmes - coming into a season with hines and wilson as starters...Big need
2. timmons- in an offseason where both starting OLBs were let go... big need
3. Mendy - dont know if there was anyone in the message board world out there that didn't want a bigger back to pair with willie. several years of mocks years before he was drafted suggested a top 3 round RB being drafted to go along with him... not as big as a need as the other picks, but certainly one of the top needs

I will agree they were needs but no way where they the top needs. Timmons was drafted all along to play inside not outside and adding a complimentary back may be a need but never a high priority need.