Maurkice Pouncey or Haloti Ngata?

[Dee Dub]

Re: Maurkice Pouncey or Haloti Ngata?

In this is a Qb's league.. I protect my Qb first.

How has that worked since the Steelers drafted Ben Roethlisberger? He has been among the leaders over the years in being sacked yet he has 2 Super Bowl rings and 3 AFC titles.

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Maurkice Pouncey or Haloti Ngata?

if this were a draft of all NFL OL and DL, I would most likely choose Haloti Ngata first over all of them...the dude is an absolute beast.

[birtikidis]

Re: Maurkice Pouncey or Haloti Ngata?

In this is a Qb's league.. I protect my Qb first.

How has that worked since the Steelers drafted Ben Roethlisberger? He has been among the leaders over the years in being sacked yet he has 2 Super Bowl rings and 3 AFC titles.

So let's BREAK him. Great Idea.

[flippy]

Re: Maurkice Pouncey or Haloti Ngata?

if this were a draft of all NFL OL and DL, I would most likely choose Haloti Ngata first over all of them...the dude is an absolute beast.

Definitely him or Suh.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Maurkice Pouncey or Haloti Ngata?

Maurkice is awesome. Rookie Pro Bowler. Our best o-lineman by far. Great leader.

But Ngata is otherworldly. His combination of power and athleticism is not human.

Having said that, Phil Taylor is talented...best NT in the draft...but he's not a Ngata.

Guys like that don't come around every year. And if they did, they'd be gone near the top of the draft, not at the end of the first round.

Mike Pouncey is also talented. And we have a good idea what type of character and work ethic he has after having his twin brother on our team for the last year.

The difference is that Joe Paterno kicked one of these guys off his team. I'll take the other guy.

[Captain Lemming]

Re: Maurkice Pouncey or Haloti Ngata?

Having said that, Phil Taylor is talented...best NT in the draft...but he's not a Ngata.

Mike Pouncey is also talented. And we have a good idea what type of character and work ethic he has after having his twin brother on our team for the last year.

Exactly. Mike and Markice are identical twins. Mike WILL upgrade our oline, without question.

Taylor?

One expert opinion:

NFL comparison: Marcus Stroud, Patriots

Strengths: Is a massive player with the ideal build of a 3-4 nose tackle. Changes directions quickly to beat one-on-one pass blocks. Can drive offensive linemen into the quarterback to force the early pass or get a sack. Has the rare size and strength to hold his ground vs. double-team run blocks. Displays the athleticism to come down the line and make tackles on inside runs.

Weaknesses: Is raw. Has more potential than production. Does not consistently rush the quarterback aggressively. Fails to consistently maintain good leverage throughout the play. Has conditioning issues; tends to wear down in games and does not play with good effort on every snap.

Bottom line: Taylor's value will increase at the next level because of the high number of NFL teams playing 3-4 schemes. He began college at Penn State and was en route to becoming a big part of the team's defense but was dismissed from the team in '08 because of off-field issues. Last offseason, he finally became committed to eating right and working hard in the weight room, which helped him to have a good 2010 season. At the Senior Bowl, he looked bigger and stronger than any of the other linemen but still struggled to consistently be a dominant player because of inconsistent technique and aggressiveness. There is little doubt Taylor has the size, strength and athleticism to be a good nose tackle and likely will be drafted higher than we have him rated. However, spending a first- or second-round pick on a player with off-field issues is always a risk.



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Does the description of his PLAY sound remotely like Ngatas?

Ngata became one of the best players in college football. Ngata totaled 107 tackles, 17.5 tackles for a loss, and 6.5 sacks total in the 2004 and 2005 seasons and was a consensus All-American pick in 2005, Oregon's first in 43 years. Ngata also earned praise as a dangerous special teams player, blocking 7 kicks during his 3 year career at Oregon.

Actually, their college career stats are nearly identical. Ngatas are only slightly better.

Except that Ngata did in TWO YEARS, What Talor did in THREE YEARS as a starter. Had Ngata actually played his senior year, like Taylor did his Halotis numbers would DWARF Taylors.

I too take Ngata over Markice. But the premise is flawed. Taylor is no Ngata. On the other hand, Mike is as close to Markice as ANY TWO PAYERS HAVE EVER BEEN. Mike WILL succeed.

Given the choice between "cant miss Mike" and may or may not reach his potential Taylor, I take Mike easy.

[phillyesq]

Re: Maurkice Pouncey or Haloti Ngata?

I'd take Ngata over Pouncey in a heartbeat, no question.

But Taylor just simply isn't going to happen. The Steelers traded away a very talented former first rounder for a fifth round pick because he was a turd. They aren't going to draft another turd. They'll take a solid citizen and a solid player with 31.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: Maurkice Pouncey or Haloti Ngata?

count me as the only one who still takes pounce over ngata even though the original scenario was flawed.

i realize Ngata is awesome. but, how much improvement is he over zig/smith/casey/keisel /hoke etc. does anyone have a better front 7 D then us??
pouncey over whoever(legursky) is a bigger advantage then Ngata over what we already have.


if we had a 4-3 defense and not have him take up blockers as his #1 assignment, maybe then i'd change my opinion

[birtikidis]

Re: Maurkice Pouncey or Haloti Ngata?

compare a rook to a pro... how about you compare the vet to the guy the rook projects to being.. say Dermonti Dawson.. that would be a better comparison.

[papillon]

Re: Maurkice Pouncey or Haloti Ngata?

compare a rook to a pro... how about you compare the vet to the guy the rook projects to being.. say Dermonti Dawson.. that would be a better comparison.

There it is. with Birt. Now, who would you rather take? Dawson or Ngata? Or, take a look at Pouncey at in 6 years and compare him with Ngata, by then, I think we'll all happily take Pouncey over Ngata (barring career ending injury).

The fact that there's even any debate tells you how good and what affect Pouncey had on the Steelers' offensive line.

Pappy

[BackwoodsSteeler]

Re: Maurkice Pouncey or Haloti Ngata?

I take Pouncey without and moments hesitation. When you look at what he'll bring to the team, barring injury, for the next 10-12 years, it's really a no-brainer to me. A franchise center is almost as good as a franchise QB. Look at Webby and Dirt and how they anchored that line for years. It all starts with the center. You can hide a weak guard or a weak tackle, but the center is vital.

Just my opinion though.