Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

[Scalaid6]

I reviewed the "Scary how good Ben could be thread" and I agree with the OP

IF Ben would dedicate himself to his craft he would be unstoppable. But he wont.

Ben is uncoachable ("I only know how to play one way coach") and that is why he hasnt evolved as a quarterback.

Dont get me wrong, Ben has all the physical tools that he needs, he is just lacking the mental tools to be considered "elite".

Would Ben go to 3 Super Bowls on any other team but the Steelers? I dont think so. I dont think Ben leads the PATS to 3 Super Bowls, he just is not efficeint enough or consistent enough.

I respect what Crash has done and said but for those of you that know me from other Steeler sites, you will soon see that Crash is NO MATCH for me in terms of evaluating a quarterback.

I could be wrong. Time will tell.

[grotonsteel]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

Ben is uncoachable ("I only know how to play one way coach") and that is why he hasnt evolved as a quarterback.

Dont get me wrong, Ben has all the physical tools that he needs, he is just lacking the mental tools to be considered "elite".

Are you stating this as a fact or opinion??? If it is a fact prove that "Ben is uncoachable"

[sentinel33]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

you cant measure a players will to win. that is what sets him apart from all others. sure, he still has some deficiencies, but i'll take him till the cows come home. you can throw technical jargon and consistency issues around all you want. dudes a winner. been doin it all his life on all kinds of different teams from high school through college and into the pros. cant believe people whine about him. dude doesnt win a superbowl and hes no longer an great QB. they don't say that about Manning or Brady. They both have lost a Superbowl. Happens to the BEST of them. Shouldnt be said about Ben. Very unfair. especially when it comes from "Steelers fans". Sheesh!

I hope people understand that these years are glory years for us. just like the 70's. Live it up people and quit 8itchin!

[Scalaid6]

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Yes it is. Why do you think he had a stormy relationship with Cowher?

Why do you think he hated Whisenhunt?

Ben had success early, this was the biggest hit to his development. He felt he didnt need to study as he told Cowher "But were winning coach"

He was the 1st to leave and the last to show up (Ask Joey Porter)

Cowher told him not to ride the new bike without a helmet. Did Ben listen? Even after the accident he was seen riding the bike WITHOUT A HELMET (In fact gave the camera a middle finger)

This season Tomlin tells him to take less hits or he is taking him out, what was his answer? "I only know how to play one way coach"

Its OBVIOUS that Ben is not coachable. No opinion

[Scalaid6]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

you cant measure a players will to win. that is what sets him apart from all others. sure, he still has some deficiencies, but i'll take him till the cows come home. you can throw technical jargon and consistency issues around all you want. dudes a winner. been doin it all his life on all kinds of different teams from high school through college and into the pros. cant believe people whine about him. dude doesnt win a superbowl and hes no longer an great QB. they don't say that about Manning or Brady. They both have lost a Superbowl. Happens to the BEST of them. Shouldnt be said about Ben. Very unfair. especially when it comes from "Steelers fans". Sheesh!

I hope people understand that these years are glory years for us. just like the 70's. Live it up people and quit 8itchin!

Ben is not a great qb, rather he is a GOOD one. I have had my opinions on Ben prior to the SB loss (ask anyone)

So let me get this right, Steeler fans can criticize Arians, Tomlin, Ike, Mendenhall, Reed, Colon,Kemo etc and still be "Steeler fans" but when you criticize Ben you are NO LONGER a Steeler fan? Why is that?

Ben is a WINNER because he plays on the Steelers. If Ben was on the Lions he would be as Steve Young was on the Buccaneers- A loser

[Notleadpoisoned]

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Dont get me wrong, Ben has all the physical tools that he needs, he is just lacking the mental tools to be considered "elite".

Define "elite" for the audience please.

[proudpittsburgher]

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Ben is a WINNER because he plays on the Steelers. If Ben was on the Lions he would be as Steve Young was on the Buccaneers- A loser

Ahhh yes, and if Peyton Manning was on the Lions . . .he would be?????? Hell, he chokes in the biggest games with the Colts offense.

Son, it's one thing to have opinions, it's another to think every one of your opinions is fact. It doesn't make you smart, just an arrogant little prick.

[ikestops85]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

I reviewed the "Scary how good Ben could be thread" and I agree with the OP

IF Ben would dedicate himself to his craft he would be unstoppable. But he wont.

Ben is uncoachable ("I only know how to play one way coach") and that is why he hasnt evolved as a quarterback.

Dont get me wrong, Ben has all the physical tools that he needs, he is just lacking the mental tools to be considered "elite".

Would Ben go to 3 Super Bowls on any other team but the Steelers? I dont think so. I dont think Ben leads the PATS to 3 Super Bowls, he just is not efficeint enough or consistent enough.

I respect what Crash has done and said but for those of you that know me from other Steeler sites, you will soon see that Crash is NO MATCH for me in terms of evaluating a quarterback.

I could be wrong. Time will tell.

Nice Try

[grotonsteel]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

Yes it is. Why do you think he had a stormy relationship with Cowher?

Why do you think he hated Whisenhunt?

Ben had success early, this was the biggest hit to his development. He felt he didnt need to study as he told Cowher "But were winning coach"

He was the 1st to leave and the last to show up (Ask Joey Porter)

Cowher told him not to ride the new bike without a helmet. Did Ben listen? Even after the accident he was seen riding the bike WITHOUT A HELMET (In fact gave the camera a middle finger)

This season Tomlin tells him to take less hits or he is taking him out, what was his answer? "I only know how to play one way coach"

Its OBVIOUS that Ben is not coachable. No opinion

Since you are stating a fact prove it. How does your gibberish prove he is "uncoachable" ??

Tell me what is "uncoachable" according to you???

Jamarcus Russell is "uncoachable" not Ben.

[Blockhead]

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If Ben continues to play the QB position like he has the last 7 years, he won't be a top 10 QB very soon, won't be a top 15 QB(Young players like Freeman, Bradford and Ryan are closing fast) shortly after and all this may not matter as his stupidity is bound to result in career ending injuries or concussions. Unless he learns to play smarter, it's just a matter of time.

[grotonsteel]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

If Ben continues to play the QB position like he has the last 7 years, he won't be a top 10 QB very soon, won't be a top 15 QB(Young players like Freeman, Bradford and Ryan are closing fast) shortly after and all this may not matter as his stupidity is bound to result in career ending injuries or concussions. Unless he learns to play smarter, it's just a matter of time.

You lost me at Bradford and Ryan. Bradford is good not great. He might he may not. Throwing at 6.0 YPA is not going to do much.

Freeman could turn out to be a real steal though for Tampa but again Freeman is very similar to Ben. Why would you think Freeman is better than Ben when they play similar style??

[The Sodfather]

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I respect what Crash has done and said but for those of you that know me from other Steeler sites, you will soon see that Crash is NO MATCH for me in terms of evaluating a quarterback.

Impressive indeed

[Blockhead]

Re: Little Ben Is Inconsistent, the Truth Hurts

If Ben continues to play the QB position like he has the last 7 years, he won't be a top 10 QB very soon, won't be a top 15 QB(Young players like Freeman, Bradford and Ryan are closing fast) shortly after and all this may not matter as his stupidity is bound to result in career ending injuries or concussions. Unless he learns to play smarter, it's just a matter of time.

You lost me at Bradford and Ryan. Bradford is good not great. He might he may not. Throwing at 6.0 YPA is not going to do much.

Freeman could turn out to be a real steal though for Tampa but again Freeman is very similar to Ben. Why would you think Freeman is better than Ben when they play similar style??

Bradford and Ryan are both getting better. Freeman is big like Ben but plays smarter than Ben. None of them are blessed with the team Ben has around him. When we needed Ben to step up and carry the team this year in the SB, he needlessly pumpfaked in stead of throwing, causing a pick 6, starred down receivers all night, which caused another interception and misfired on multiple throws. The only thing he showed in the SB was that he is not an elite QB. Rodgers is clearly better at playing the QB position. When the team starts to go away, talent wise, and if the defense can no longer carry the team, we will see what Ben is truly capable of. After 7 years of watching the same story, I doubt it is anything different. He'll continue to be inconsistent because he is not a student of the game. That was all confirmed this year by mulitple teammates who said he was routinely the last in, first out of the building.

He does have all the physicall ability to be great but does seem to lack the mental dedication to achieve it. His legacy could be "one of the greatest" but as of now it is "a guy who choked in two Super Bowls but played for a great team."

[steelblood]

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Ben has his faults. But, so does almost any other QB.

Brady is not elusive and sometimes doesn't play well when teams create consistent pressure up the middle (see Jets playoff game). Manning and Marino likewise have/had trouble with pressure. Ben, Farve, and Elway sometimes go gunslinger to the detriment of their teams.

Ben's work ethic was questionable. He was arrogant and self-important. There really is no denying that as he has admitted as much. But, all indications are that he has tried to change his ways. He's no longer the first one out of the building. He worked with a QB coach during his suspension. He's built a film room in his house. Could he still be more dedicated? I don't know. Maybe. But, I have no idea how you know unless you work for the Steelers.

[Oviedo]

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Dont get me wrong, Ben has all the physical tools that he needs, he is just lacking the mental tools to be considered "elite".

Define "elite" for the audience please.

I agree. Are we talking "Fantasy Football" elite?

Or are we talking "being able to do whatever it takes to win" elite?

I'll take the latter.