Double dose of Pouncey would help Steelers

[The Sodfather]

Re: Double dose of Pouncey would help Steelers

Assuming Starks is healthy RG is the spot they need to upgrade on the OL.

Nothing against Foster he is serviceable but a good depth guy is his best role IMO.

[Oviedo]

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Address CB in free agency and draft Pouncey sounds like a solid plan to me. Unfortunately they would probably need to move up to get him.

I think we can get a decent young guy in the 2nd. I haven't given up on our rookie from last year or the 2nd year guy (Butler and Lewis). Maybe getting rid of Horton will help their development.

It won't matter who the secondary coach is if the scheme continues to require the CBs to play 10 yards off the WRs and chase them after they catch it. That is the fatal flaw and it is complicated by the fact that we have for years continued to draft CBs who are "zone guys" and not "man cover guys."

Everyone can keep taking solace in "the rankings" but what did the Packers WRs and QB think about our rankings. There needs to be modifications to the secondary both in scheme and the type of players we draft. The NFL has figured out the scheme and teams with good QBs can exploit it.

[birtikidis]

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well Ovi, in our scheme you can't keep Troy doing what he does now if you expect the guy to man up and not play zone. you can only have one or the other.

[Oviedo]

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well Ovi, in our scheme you can't keep Troy doing what he does now if you expect the guy to man up and not play zone. you can only have one or the other.

How much longer do you think Troy's body holds up? I have no doubt that they kept him in deep zone coverage because he couldn't run and do the things we want him to. Probably would be smart to keep him back a little more to keep him healthy because when he isn't it isn't the same defense.

[birtikidis]

Re: Double dose of Pouncey would help Steelers

well Ovi, in our scheme you can't keep Troy doing what he does now if you expect the guy to man up and not play zone. you can only have one or the other.

How much longer do you think Troy's body holds up? I have no doubt that they kept him in deep zone coverage because he couldn't run and do the things we want him to. Probably would be smart to keep him back a little more to keep him healthy because when he isn't it isn't the same defense.

Ovi, find me one season when we didn't put the safeties in the box. It's been a part of our scheme forever. Hey, when troy couldn't go in the box, Ryan did...

[Shoe]

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and IMO drafting a corner who is not a top LOCK down guy, and I mean lock down, is not going to shore up the weakness in our secondary. I don't see a guy with that ability worth it at 1.31 but, i can see some value in the 2nd

I agree. Unless you are can't miss, I don't like CB's in Round One. More often than not, they turn out to be "just another guy" types in a Defense (e.g. guys like Dunta Robinson, Marcus Trufant). I think we can do better.

I also agree that Pouncey doesn't last. He seems to be very similar to Maurkice (which sounds silly considering they're twins. But some twins don't have the same measurables.) If that is the case... and considering the accolades heaped on Maurkice this year, I can't see him slipping anywhere near 31.

I want Steve Wisniewski's kid or nephew. Stefen(?) is his name? Is it pronounced "Steph-en"? Or "Steven" spelled differently? That's a guy that we have a legit shot at getting, and would shore up our line some more.

[Oviedo]

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and IMO drafting a corner who is not a top LOCK down guy, and I mean lock down, is not going to shore up the weakness in our secondary. I don't see a guy with that ability worth it at 1.31 but, i can see some value in the 2nd

I agree. Unless you are can't miss, I don't like CB's in Round One. More often than not, they turn out to be "just another guy" types in a Defense (e.g. guys like Dunta Robinson, Marcus Trufant). I think we can do better.

I also agree that Pouncey doesn't last. He seems to be very similar to Maurkice (which sounds silly considering they're twins. But some twins don't have the same measurables.) If that is the case... and considering the accolades heaped on Maurkice this year, I can't see him slipping anywhere near 31.

I want Steve Wisniewski's kid or nephew. Stefen(?) is his name? Is it pronounced "Steph-en"? Or "Steven" spelled differently? That's a guy that we have a legit shot at getting, and would shore up our line some more.

I love Wisniewski but he has been projected to be a Center because of lack of height (don't really understand that). Multiple reports I have read don't see him as good a Guard as a Center. I'd still take the chance and let Kugler mold him.

[feltdizz]

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and IMO drafting a corner who is not a top LOCK down guy, and I mean lock down, is not going to shore up the weakness in our secondary. I don't see a guy with that ability worth it at 1.31 but, i can see some value in the 2nd

I agree. Unless you are can't miss, I don't like CB's in Round One. More often than not, they turn out to be "just another guy" types in a Defense (e.g. guys like Dunta Robinson, Marcus Trufant). I think we can do better.

I also agree that Pouncey doesn't last. He seems to be very similar to Maurkice (which sounds silly considering they're twins. But some twins don't have the same measurables.) If that is the case... and considering the accolades heaped on Maurkice this year, I can't see him slipping anywhere near 31.

I want Steve Wisniewski's kid or nephew. Stefen(?) is his name? Is it pronounced "Steph-en"? Or "Steven" spelled differently? That's a guy that we have a legit shot at getting, and would shore up our line some more.

I love Wisniewski but he has been projected to be a Center because of lack of height (don't really understand that). Multiple reports I have read don't see him as good a Guard as a Center. I'd still take the chance and let Kugler mold him.

surprise.. a Penn State guy. LOL.

Seems like every year there is a PSU guy who would fit perfectly on our team.

[feltdizz]

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A handful of poor showings by our secondary and all of a sudden Corner is our most dire need. don't take into the fact that we have the #1 defense in the NFL and teams CAN'T run against us so ALL they can do is throw the ball. I don't know the last time a team was #1 across the board. Has it even happened?
yet, we have one of the worst red zone offenses, an inability to consistently run the ball (especially on short yardage situations) and the most sacked qb in the NFL over the last five years and people want to talk like our O-Line isn't our biggest problem.
Arians apologists say that our offense would be great with a better o-line
ben apologists say that our offense and our qb would be the best in the NFL if we had a better O-Line
Mendenhall apologists say that our RB would be a top rb in the NFL if it weren't for a ****ty o-line.
I've never heard anyone make excuses for our offensive line.. they're bad. they need upgraded. It's a much more dire situation the Corner.

I hear you but I think our secondary has been woeful against the better QB's for some time now.

The short yardage situations was in 2008. We don't have a short yardage problem anymore and I have no idea why people keep talking about how bad it is.
How bad was our protection this year? Sure we had a few problems early but half of the sacks are hot reads/blitzes that we didn't adjust to. Later in the year the OL wasn't a problem.

I think we will go BPA like usual.

[The Sodfather]

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I want Steve Wisniewski's kid or nephew. Stefen(?) is his name? Is it pronounced "Steph-en"? Or "Steven" spelled differently? That's a guy that we have a legit shot at getting, and would shore up our line some more.

I hope you don't mean in the first (#31).

You could likely get him in the 2nd and maybe even the third if you wanted him. Which I don't don't.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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and IMO drafting a corner who is not a top LOCK down guy, and I mean lock down, is not going to shore up the weakness in our secondary. I don't see a guy with that ability worth it at 1.31 but, i can see some value in the 2nd

I agree. Unless you are can't miss, I don't like CB's in Round One. More often than not, they turn out to be "just another guy" types in a Defense (e.g. guys like Dunta Robinson, Marcus Trufant). I think we can do better.

I also agree that Pouncey doesn't last. He seems to be very similar to Maurkice (which sounds silly considering they're twins. But some twins don't have the same measurables.) If that is the case... and considering the accolades heaped on Maurkice this year, I can't see him slipping anywhere near 31.

I want Steve Wisniewski's kid or nephew. Stefen(?) is his name? Is it pronounced "Steph-en"? Or "Steven" spelled differently? That's a guy that we have a legit shot at getting, and would shore up our line some more.

I love Wisniewski but he has been projected to be a Center because of lack of height (don't really understand that). Multiple reports I have read don't see him as good a Guard as a Center. I'd still take the chance and let Kugler mold him.

surprise.. a Penn State guy. LOL.

Seems like every year there is a PSU guy who would fit perfectly on our team.

Jeremy Kapinos!!!

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: Double dose of Pouncey would help Steelers

Seeing Double



Mike Pouncey winning national title (Getty Images)

By Jim Wexell
Publisher SteelCityInsider.net
Posted Feb 25, 2011


Mike Pouncey mirrors his twin brother Maurkice in every way. And he wants to play for the Steelers, but only if they can find a way to trade up to pick 18 or better.

INDIANAPOLIS – Ever see an offensive lineman with an entourage?

Meet Mike Pouncey, the guy walking away from his press conference with the gaggle of reporters, broadcasters, combine officials, and admirers in tow.

Pouncey has become something of a rock star of the OL-prospect set after his younger brother Maurkice made the Pro Bowl with the Pittsburgh Steelers last season.

Older by two minutes, Mike Pouncey arrived at the combine a year after his twin brother and showed the identical mannerisms and confidence that was so often displayed this past season by the Steelers’ Rookie of the Year.

Mike Pouncey told a throng of reporters from the podium Friday that he met with Steelers coach Mike Tomlin and “had a real good meeting with the Steelers yesterday.” But Pouncey doesn’t think he’ll last until the Steelers pick 31st in the first round on April 28th.

“It’s not looking too good,” said Pouncey. “But there’s free agency in the NFL, so you never know.”

Getting to Pittsburgh down the road might be Mike Pouncey’s ideal, but it’s not what he wants now because, as a competitor, “I got to be drafted higher than Maurkice, 18 or better,” Mike said. “I’d never hear the end of it.”

The Steelers of course chose Maurkice 18th last year after he spent his junior season as the center at the University of Florida. Mike was the right guard that season, a year after they’d teamed up to help the Gators win a national championship. The pair led their prep team, Lakeland (Fla.) High, to three consecutive Class 5A state championships as well. Clearly, the Pounceys understand winning and it’s reflected in their confident natures. Mike’s was on display Friday afternoon.

* “They basically said we look the same on film. Some of the teams even said I look better,” Mike said of the scouting comparisons of the brothers.

* “I’m fluid with it now and confident with it. To this day, I’ll never take it for granted again,” he said of his oft-errant shotgun snapping.

* “There’s nothing negative about either one of us. On the field we play hard; off the field we’re lovable guys and people love being around us. We’re the total package,” he said when asked if scouts see any negatives.

Speaking of which, Mike was asked to name the most difficult aspect of the combine, and his confidence erupted once again.

“Getting up and meeting with coaches,” he said. “I’ve been very impressive to them, showing them I can get on the board and draw the defenses.”

To that end, Pouncey was asked if Steelers O-line coach Sean Kugler, in their meeting the previous day, did what he’d done with his brother on the grease board: draw plays, erase them, and have him re-draw them.

“He did the exact same thing,” Pouncey said.

And, how’d he do?

“Great,” Mike said with that unmistakable Pouncey smirk.

“They were very impressed. Every coach I met with was very impressed with what I did.”

The Steelers were probably impressed, but director of operations Kevin Colbert agrees with the senior Florida center that there’s little chance of him lasting until the 31st pick.

“I really can’t see it,” said Colbert, who believes Pouncey can play either guard or center in the NFL.

“I just got to get drafted first,” Mike Pouncey said. “I want to beat him at everything. We compete with each other with anything we do. I have to get into camp and I have to earn a starting spot and I have to play great, like he did.”

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[NJ-STEELER]

Re: Double dose of Pouncey would help Steelers

Address CB in free agency and draft Pouncey sounds like a solid plan to me. Unfortunately they would probably need to move up to get him.

an above average OG would cost a lot less then a above average CB in free agency