Chadman's Awesome Offseason Draft/FA Analysis Thread..

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

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DRAFTTEK-
#29- OC Stefan Wisniewski Penn St, #30- DT Phil Taylor Baylor, #31- FS Quinton Carter Oklahoma, #32- OLB Justin Houston Georgia, #33- OT/OG Jason Pinkston Pitt
Extras added that fall beyond #31- DT Stephen Paea Oregon, TE Kyle Rudolph Notre Dame, DE Adrian Clayborn Iowa, OG Mike Pouncey Florida

With all due respect to Chadman and the fine folks at Draftek, I don't think that I could seriously accept the views of a Steelers draft that takes Quinton Carter in the first with Mike Pouncey (among others) still on the board. It is not like Carter is considered such a can't miss prospect that we need to grab him now. Walter has him going in the third.

[steelerkeylargo]

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DRAFTTEK-
#29- OC Stefan Wisniewski Penn St, #30- DT Phil Taylor Baylor, #31- FS Quinton Carter Oklahoma, #32- OLB Justin Houston Georgia, #33- OT/OG Jason Pinkston Pitt
Extras added that fall beyond #31- DT Stephen Paea Oregon, TE Kyle Rudolph Notre Dame, DE Adrian Clayborn Iowa, OG Mike Pouncey Florida

With all due respect to Chadman and the fine folks at Draftek, I don't think that I could seriously accept the views of a Steelers draft that takes Quinton Carter in the first with Mike Pouncey (among others) still on the board. It is not like Carter is considered such a can't miss prospect that we need to grab him now. Walter has him going in the third.

I would have to agree. Out of the 5 players listed only Taylor will likely go in the first round. Wisniewski=Late 2nd, Carter=3rd, Houston=2nd, Pinkston=late 3rd

[pfelix73]

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You obviously have way too much time on your hands...

There is one thing I would like to add. What if the Steelers FO see their needs as something diff. than what you are posting?

What if they are happy with their 9 OL they have now and don't consider OL as a need? Granted, if someone picked to go in the top 15 would fall down the board, they might want that player, but that doesn't always happen.

I can see a def. player being chosen at 31 or maybe a play-making WR or TE to replace Spaeth. Now wouldn't a TE throw us all a curve.....

[flippy]

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Good analysis.

I've been thinking recently we'll take Rudolf because I'm not big on him and I usually make a case in my head that a stud TE to compliment Miller would help both the passing and the run game better than any other position on offense.

I haven't thought much about LBs, so that most likely makes OLB the other most likely pick.

I'm certain the Steelers are in my head and do the complete opposite of what I'd do most of the time when it comes to drafting.

My thinking this year has been leaning toward a DLineman making the biggest impact on this team for the foreseeable future.

[Chadman]

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Just a couple of things befire we continue later on...

Firstly, Steeler_fan_in_to, yes, Chadman forgot Ijalana's 1-2 round...that should be a green...but Carimi & Luiget's Top 25 puts them out of the Steelers reach...stop picking the mistakes or the Wombats of Doom will be released upon you!

Also, agree that Dtafttek have dropped the ball in this last mock- Quinton Carter has never been viewed as a 1st round pick before this. The reason Chadman likes Drafttek is this- they feed the info into the computer- need, player rankings, player values, and let the computer pick the selections of the draft- it takes away one person's emotion for a team, giving a slightly 'purer' version of a mock. It's not always accurate, but it's always based on team need compared to value. The computer obviously thinks DB is a greater need than OG...

Rudolph is not off the radar at all- the Steelers have interviewed 3 TE's already, so it's obviously something they are looking at. Keep in mind- the Steelers have, under Tomlin/Colbert, selected the #1, or close to #1, ranked player in their respective position, in the 1st round. Rudolph is the #1 TE on the board- fits every historical Tomlin/Colbert niche, and is a damn fine football player. He's a solid chance at selection.

While Chadman knows he's absolutely brilliant, and easily the best mocker on this board, he does realise that there could be.....failings...with this system. It is concievable that the FO sees the needs of the team slightly differently than Chadman- they'd be wrong, but it's possible- and it's not beyond belief that a DL player could go #31. But- historically speaking, unless Corey Luiget falls to them, none of the other players fit perfectly for #31.

In fact, Luiget & not Pouncey is the one guy Chadman could see the Steelers trade up for.

The hiring of former UCLA DB's coach Carnell Lake to the Steelers might add a little interest to another player that fits ever so well- Rahim Moore- #1 Safety on the board, fills a need at DB...not out of the question.

It'll be interesting to see how big a drop-off teams see in the CB's from an Aaron Williams to a Rashard Carmicheal. One thing we have not looked at yet is 'value' for each position & 'depth'. It could be that the drop-off from 1st round CB's to 2nd round CB's is not as steep as, say, Safeties- and therefore the greater value could be to get the #1 Safety & the #8-#9 CB in the 2nd round..same with OG. how much of a drop-off is there from Pouncey to Hudson? Hudson to Cannon? Could the Steelers bypass Pouncey in Round 1 & get a slightly lesser player 1 or even 2 rounds later, while greatly improving the DB's in the first couple of rounds? What about OT? Is Sherrod THAT much better than the #6/#7/#8 OT's?

pfelix might be right...Chadman has too much time on his hands...

[pfelix73]

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hehe...your posts make for interesting readings... keep up the good work...

[Chadman]

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Let's have a quick play at a mock draft right now- using Walters as the guide for need & value..

1- Carolina Panthers- DE Da'Quan Bowers
2- Denver Broncos- DT Marcell Dareus
3- Buffalo Bills- QB Cam Newton
4- Cincinnatti Bengals- DT Nick Fairley
5- Arizona Cardinals- CB Patrick Peterson
6- Cleveland Browns- WR A.J. Green
7- San Francisco 49ers- QB Blaine Gabbert
8- Tennessee Titans- OLB Von Miller
9- Dallas Cowboys- CB Prince Amukamara
10- Washington Redskins- QB Jake Locker (Just you watch them reach here..)
11- Houston Texans- OLB Robert Quinn
12- Minnesota Vikings- OT Tyron Smith
13- Detroit Lions- OT Anthony Castonzo
14- St Louis Rams- WR Julio Jones
15- Miami Dolphins- RB Mark Ingram
16- Jacksonville Jaguars- DE Aldon Smith
17- New England Patriots- DE Ryan Kerrigan
18- San Diego Chargers- DE Cameron Jordan
19- New York Giants- OT Nate Solder
20- Tampa Bay Buccaneers- DE Adrian Clayborn
21- Kansas City Chiefs- OLB Akeem Ayers
22- Indianapolis Colts- OT Gabe Carimi
23- Philadelphia Eagles- OG Mike Pouncey
24- New Orleans Saints- DT Corey Luiget
25- Seattle Seahawks- CB Brandon Harris
26- Baltimore Ravens- DE J.J. Watt
27- Atlanta Falcons- WR Jonathon Baldwin
28- New England Patriots- OLB Justin Houston
29- Chicago Bears- OT Derek Sherrod
30- New York Jets- DE Cameron Heyward
31- Pittsburgh Steelers- OPTIONS-
OG/OT Ben Ijalama
CB Aaron Williams
FS Rahim Moore
TE Kyle Rudolph
DE Muhammed Wilkerson
ILB Martez Wilson
NT Phil Taylor
It's possible that a team drafting in the 2nd round might want to jump up here & grab the #4 QB on the board, meaning the Steelers could move back & probably still pick up one of these options. however, it's too hard to predict trades. If forced to choose from this group, Chadman suspects that CB AARON WILLIAMS from Texas would be the pick, but given the options Rahim Moore, Kyle Rudolph & Martez Wilson could easily be substituted. Ijalama & Wilkerson, while talented, have not faced the same level of competition as these other players, Phil Taylor has character issues.
32- Green Bay Packers- DE Muhammed Wilkerson

[Chadman]

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Now lets talk about VALUE in this year's draft...

We'll start with the QB position & work our way from there:

ROUND 1 VALUE-
Cam Newton
Blain Gabbert
Jake Locker- 1-2 Value

Round 2 Value
Christian Ponder
Colin Kaepernick
Ryan Mallett

Round 3 Value
Ricky Stanzi
Andy Dalton
Pat Devlin

[Chadman]

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Running Back Value...

Round 1
Mark Ingram

Round 2
Mikel Leshoure
Ryan Williams
Daniel Thomas
Jacquizz Rogers
Jordan Todman

Round 3
DeMarco Murray
Shane Vereen
Delone Carter
Kendall Hunter
Derrick Locke

[Chadman]

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WR Value..

Round 1
AJ Green
Julio Jones
Jon Baldwin
Torrey Smith

Round 2
Leonard Hankerson
Randall Cobb
Titus Young
Jerrell Jernigan
Tandon Doss

Round 3
Edmund Gates
Vincent Brown
Austin Pettis
Dwayne Harris

[Chadman]

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TE Value..

Round 1
Kyle Rudolph

Round 2
Luke Stocker
DJ Williams

Round 3
Lance Kendricks
Rob Housler

[Chadman]

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OT Value...


Round 1
Tyron Smith
Nate Solder
Anthony Castonzo
Gabe Carimi
Derek Sherrod
Ben Ijalana

Round 2
Joseph Barksdale

Round 3
Jason Pinkston
Chris Hairston
James Brewer
Marcus Gilbert
James Carpenter
Lee Ziemba

[Chadman]

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OG/OC Value...

Round 1
Mike Pouncey

Round 2
Marcus Cannon
Rodney Hudson
Danny Watkins
Stefan Wisniewski

Round 3
Jake Kirkpatrick
Clint Boling
Orlando Franklin
Will Rackley
john Moffitt
Demarcus Love

[Chadman]

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DE Value..

Round 1
Da'Quan Bowers
Robert Quinn (3-4 OLB)
Aldon Smith (3-4 OLB)
Cameron Jordan (3-4 DE)
JJ Watt (3-4 DE)
Ryan Kerrigan
Adrian Clayborn
Jason Houston (3-4 OLB)
Cameron Heyward (3-4 DE)

Round 2
Brooks Reed (3-4 OLB)
Jabaal Sheard
Allen Bailey (3-4 DE)
Christian Ballard (3-4 DE)
Jarvis Jenkins

Round 3
Lawrence Guy (3-4 DE)
Parnell McPhee
Greg Romeus

[Chadman]

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DT/NT Value...

Round 1
Marcell Dareus (DT/NT/DE)
Nick Fairley (DT/DE)
Corey Luiget (DT/DE)
Muhammed Wilkerson (DT/DE)
Phil Taylor (NT)

Round 2
Stephen Paea
Marvin Austin
Drake Nevis
Jarvis Jenkins (DT/DE)

Round 3
Jurrell Casey
Sione Fua (NT)
Ian Williams (NT)
Kenrick Ellis (NT)
Jerrell Powe (NT)