Three things I'm sick of hearing already...

[fordfixer]

Re: Three things I'm sick of hearing already...

No, that would have manefested itself sooner.
He's damaged. Foot was a problem in his throws.

Frankly, he wasn't horrible. The first pickwasn't his fault. Some big mofo came right up the middle and hit him under the arm. So erase that pick.
So 1 pick was likely his fault. I think the season was especially hard on him, but I think this game was no different than any other loss. They happen. Who is the best QB ever?

He lost alot of games too.

He never lost a Super Bowl.

Some great QB's never played in a Super bowl

Some great ones and some HOFers to boot. Good point. Maybe the SB is not the true measuring stick of a great QB? Maybe Ben is screwed either way.

Now, It's Fantasy stats!

[Crash]

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Now that said, He is a great QB...I just want more from him. I want him to come out and disect teams and dominate more often than he does.

Then get the backup TEs off the %^&*( field and use Ben the way he should be used. Same goes for Mendenhall as an all around back.

If anything our formations HANDCUFF Ben and the offense as a whole.

I'd call the plays for FREE. The ONLY dirt Ben would see would be the ones on the bottom of his cleats.

[skyhawk]

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Now that said, He is a great QB...I just want more from him. I want him to come out and disect teams and dominate more often than he does.

Then get the backup TEs off the %^&*( field and use Ben the way he should be used. Same goes for Mendenhall as an all around back.

If anything our formations HANDCUFF Ben and the offense as a whole.

I'd call the plays for FREE. The ONLY dirt Ben would see would be the ones on the bottom of his cleats.

I feel Mendy (and Ben) DESERVE a good blocking fullback. And I agree, the formations hinder the talent at RB and QB.

[Crash]

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I feel Mendy (and Ben) DESERVE a good blocking fullback.

Um, no, they don't. The I-formation is not what Mendy needs.

Three wides and Miller as the base offense. Nail Spaeth and Johnson to the bench.

[skyhawk]

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I feel Mendy (and Ben) DESERVE a good blocking fullback.

Um, no, they don't. The I-formation is not what Mendy needs.

Three wides and Miller as the base offense. Nail Spaeth and Johnson to the bench.

The one back offense with our personnel sucks. And no, Johnson is NOT a fullback.

[steelcurtain44]

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It's hard to believe some of these comments on this board. If that was any other QB who played that badly in the SB, all you guys would be crucifying him, calling him a chocker and any other name you all could come up with.

Ben had a game, and helped the Steelers lose that SB. You guys all killed NO for his interceptions in the SB, but with Ben it's the line, non pass interference, play calling, no fullback, penalty. Did it ever occur to you all that Ben was simply terrible?

Ben had a chance to cement his legacy, but he didn't. What I find really funny, is the poster who commented that, it's doesn't really matter that Ben wins SBs, to be elite. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why everyone says he should be an elite QB because he wins SBs? Unbelieveable.

[Stewie]

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1. How the Lombardi Trophy is "going home"...last I checked that thing resides at our place more than anyone else's, if anything it's renting space in GB...it'll be back home soon.

2. How the Pack overcame so many injuries...we've overcome a line that's mostly back-ups, injuries to our Pro-Bowl center & safety, our best DLman, our TE, our #2 CB, WRs, etc... not to mention the injuries Ben had. Injuries are part of the game, but the Steelers line juggling was one of the least acknowledged stories of the year...it was nothing less than spectacular what Kugler did.

3. The GB players talking about how much character they have in the locker room & how the FO only brings in "quality" people. This is either blindness caused by euphoria or a dig at Ben. Last time I checked, character - like God - isn't the sole possession of any one team & I thought the Steelers showed some by not folding their tent & mailing it in. Here's hoping it gets recognized at some point.

I'll add a fouth too, even though it hasn't happened yet...how Ben isn't "elite". I don't know when it became an over-riding things to be considered "elite" (re: stat driven), I'm perfectly happy with Ben being a top 5 or 6 QB - it's brought us a lot of success so far & will bring more in the future.

Nobody seems to mention that for 2-3 series, our D had Rodgers really rattled.

[Tomlinator]

Re: Three things I'm sick of hearing already...

1. How the Lombardi Trophy is "going home"...last I checked that thing resides at our place more than anyone else's, if anything it's renting space in GB...it'll be back home soon.

2. How the Pack overcame so many injuries...we've overcome a line that's mostly back-ups, injuries to our Pro-Bowl center & safety, our best DLman, our TE, our #2 CB, WRs, etc... not to mention the injuries Ben had. Injuries are part of the game, but the Steelers line juggling was one of the least acknowledged stories of the year...it was nothing less than spectacular what Kugler did.

3. The GB players talking about how much character they have in the locker room & how the FO only brings in "quality" people. This is either blindness caused by euphoria or a dig at Ben. Last time I checked, character - like God - isn't the sole possession of any one team & I thought the Steelers showed some by not folding their tent & mailing it in. Here's hoping it gets recognized at some point.

I'll add a fouth too, even though it hasn't happened yet...how Ben isn't "elite". I don't know when it became an over-riding things to be considered "elite" (re: stat driven), I'm perfectly happy with Ben being a top 5 or 6 QB - it's brought us a lot of success so far & will bring more in the future.

Nobody seems to mention that for 2-3 series, our D had Rodgers really rattled.

Heck, from somewhere in the middle of the second quarter to the end of the third/start of fourth Rodgers didn't really do anything.

What I'm already sick of hearing about is the super specialness of Rodgers and how he is now the second coming. I agree he is a very good QB, but lets not get cazrried away.

If Ben had led that 4th quarter comeback I firmly believe the talk would have still been about Rodgers and how the Packers "played their hearts out."

[Crash]

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Ben had a chance to cement his legacy, but he didn't.

He did when he won his 3rd conference title. Again, every QB who is eligible for the HOF and started 3 Super Bowls is in the Hall of Fame.

Get the bust and the yellow jacket ready.

If Ben didn't cement his legacy Peyton Manning doesn't even have one.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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I feel Mendy (and Ben) DESERVE a good blocking fullback.

Um, no, they don't. The I-formation is not what Mendy needs.

Three wides and Miller as the base offense. Nail Spaeth and Johnson to the bench.

Getting a good blocking fullback on the roster does not mean that we revert back to the Bettis I formation all the time.

As we all noticed a couple of days ago, the Packers run a spread offense, and they also employ Korey Hall, Quinn Johnson, and John Kuhn on their roster, which is 3 more fullbacks than we have. We don't need 3...I'd settle for just one good one to use in short yardage and goal line situations.

Doug Legursky showed some promise in this role a few times, but he was obviously needed elsewhere in this particular game.

I'd look to draft Owen Marecic from Stanford in the middle rounds. He played both FB and ILB for the Cardinal and would be a beast on special teams for us.

[feltdizz]

Re: Three things I'm sick of hearing already...

It's hard to believe some of these comments on this board. If that was any other QB who played that badly in the SB, all you guys would be crucifying him, calling him a chocker and any other name you all could come up with.

Ben had a game, and helped the Steelers lose that SB. You guys all killed NO for his interceptions in the SB, but with Ben it's the line, non pass interference, play calling, no fullback, penalty. Did it ever occur to you all that Ben was simply terrible?

Ben had a chance to cement his legacy, but he didn't. What I find really funny, is the poster who commented that, it's doesn't really matter that Ben wins SBs, to be elite. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why everyone says he should be an elite QB because he wins SBs? Unbelieveable.

Ben is the one player who can't get critiqued without some fans thinking it's Ben bashing. He had a bad game.. it happens. This is why it's idiotic to tear down great QB's to prop Ben up...

Ben is human...

[Crash]

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Other QBs aren't torn down to prop Ben up. What we want is equal treatment for Ben compared to them.

Like I said, go find 5 national media who bashed Peyton for his 2006 post season the way Ben has for ONE GAME out of four during his 2005 run?

You won't, they don't exist.

My favorite bash Ben of the week is he, despite three SB games doesn't have the "longevity" (seven years) to be a HOF QB.

But somehow Brady and his EIGHT YEARS of work (one more than Ben) does.

Now what happens next year? Say Ben throws for 4000 yards and 25 TDs again in his 8th season, would he then have the "longevity" that Brady has because he then played 8 years like Tom has?

Even now, Ben has two turnovers (a pick 6), was down 21-3 and failed to rally for a win, and it's Ben "played bad" and he's not "elite".

Kurt Warner had two turnovers (including a pick 6 like Ben Sunday), was down 20-7 and all you hear about were his 377 yards and how they fought back.

For some reason Ben isn't treated the same as the other QBs, and I for one am tired of it.