Goodell's Comments On Ben and Teammates

[Djfan]

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...and allow me to clarify on Crash. Despite the fact that I believe he's a certified, tin foil hat-wearing kook, I have a ton of respect for him. The dude is a highly intelligent machine and I'm appreciative he spices things up for us from time to time.

Agreed, sort of.

[Crash]

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...and allow me to clarify on Crash. Despite the fact that I believe he's a certified, tin foil hat-wearing kook, I have a ton of respect for him. The dude is a highly intelligent machine and I'm appreciative he spices things up for us from time to time.

The facts over the years prove Goodell is our worst enemy.

I just wish our owners would stand up to him rather than cower in fear.

[Djfan]

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...and allow me to clarify on Crash. Despite the fact that I believe he's a certified, tin foil hat-wearing kook, I have a ton of respect for him. The dude is a highly intelligent machine and I'm appreciative he spices things up for us from time to time.

The facts over the years prove Goodell is our worst enemy.

I just wish our owners would stand up to him rather than cower in fear.

There you go. I agree with him, if the "our" he is referring to is the NFL at large, and the fan base as well.

[Crash]

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I'm talking about the Steelers.

Spygate.

Forced the Rooney's to disband their ownership.

Ben's unjust suspension.

Scheduling the Ravens (who Ben was 6-1 against at home) in Pittsburgh with Ben out.

Then the hits we get flagged/fined for, and the subsequent ignoring of the same type of hits delivered to Steelers QBs and WR's.

Now Goodell's comments ie. Ben in regards to what helped make his decison. Don't blame Peter King, blame Goodell for opening his goddamn yap.

[hawaiiansteel]

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© Note to Peter King: The difference between a couple of dozen Steelers not having Ben Roethlisberger's back and a couple of dozen NFL players from around the league is a chasm as big as the Grand Canyon.

Just sayin'...

[url="http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot.com/"]http://nflfromthesidelines.blogspot.com/[/url]

[feltdizz]

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Why the hell would a Steeler say "He wouldn't sign my jersey?"

That is something a punk azz player from another team would say.

I'm positive King assumed 24 Steeler players. It's a very good attempt by King to get a ton of publicity. The story is lame though... very lame.

If I am to believe that Goodell lied...which I do, then I don't care about what he uses as his excuse....such as not signing jerseys.

Why would Goodell make up a lie that can easily be refuted? I know people hate the guy but c'mon... use a little bit of common sense.

I'm sure Goodell said 24 players and King assumed he meant Steelers.

Seriously... you really think Goodell said 24 Steeler players? That is so easy to fact check it's laughable. Much harder to figure out who the 24 players in the league are.

Goodell asking 24 players and telling King about it is bad enough...

assuming he lied and really said it was 24 Steelers just shows how stupid fans are. It's already a bad story.... no need to take it all the way to the edge with some stupid theory that Goodell really said 24 Steelers and lied about the whole thing to give King a great story.

King could have easily fact checked the 24 players.

But it's even worse if he was asking players outside the Steelers how they felt. What, did he go to to TO and CJ....maybe the stains or the rats...JHC, this is supposed to be a commish conducting business....not some f u ckwad working for TMZ.

He needs to to be fired for gross incompetence.

I agree with you on the 24 players outside the Steelers comment...

but those who think Goodell actually said 24 Steelers and is now lying to protect himself are way off base. That's crazy talk right there and FlaSteel summed it up nicely.

Nothing wrong with commenting on the actual quote but the need for some to go tin foil looney bin is comical.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

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I was rerouted to this from another article. I had never gone to Florio's site before this and stumbled across this article about the King retraction. Keeping in mind that his motives are to back up his buddy King here but he raises some of the same questions we do.....

[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/02/goodells-clarified-comments-on-roethlisberger-raise-questions/"]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... questions/[/url]

I have highlighted a few points in red that are the same questions many of us have brought up.

Goodell’s clarified comments on Roethlisberger raise questions
Posted by Mike Florio on February 2, 2011, 12:24 AM EST
Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Roethlisberger directs play against the Jets in first quarter during the NFL AFC Championship football game in Pittsburgh

On Monday, Peter King of Sports Illustrated reported in his Monday Morning Quarterback column that Commissioner Roger Goodell had spoken with roughly two dozen Steelers players in connection with the investigation that culminated in the six-game (reduced to four) suspension of quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. King later clarified Goodell’s remarks; Goodell, as King explained it, didn’t mean to say that the players were members of the Pittsburgh Steelers, but that they played for other teams.

King took responsibility for the erroneous assumption, and he expressed regret. But as pointed out in today’s edition of ProFootballTalk Live, King’s assumption was reasonable.

Before going any farther with this, I need to acknowledge two things. Peter King is a colleague and a friend. He has been gracious and cordial and generous with me, with no agenda and nothing to gain from nurturing and lending credibility to a recovering Internet hack. (It’s 12-step process, times 12.) And to the extent that anyone thinks his agenda was to secure favorable treatment on these pages in the event of an incident like this, you’re far more cynical than even we are.

That said, why should King have believed that Goodell included in his review of the question of whether Roethlisberger violated the Personal Conduct Policy roughly 24 discussions with men who have only limited exposure to Roethlisberger — and no discussions with his teammates?

Who’s in a better position to shed light on the manner in which Roethlisberger behaved when interacting with women in alcohol-influenced social settings, teammates who have seen him in such settings or players from other teams who see him if at all for three hours on a Sunday afternoon?

Moreover, consider the words Goodell used. He said he spoke to “I bet two dozen players” and “[n]ot one, not a single player, went to [Roethlisberger's] defense.” So why would Goodell find it noteworthy that players from other teams opted not to go to Roethlisberger’s defense?

Thus, while King’s assumption ultimately may not have been accurate, it was reasonable, under the circumstances.

That said, why was Goodell interested in talking to players from other teams in connection with an investigation as to whether Roethlisberger violated the Personal Conduct Policy? There seems to be no relevance to the views of players from other teams, unless those 24 or so players from other teams have a history of hanging out with Roethlisberger during times when he may have been interacting with females in an inappropriate way.

And if that’s why Goodell was talking to the players from other teams, why wouldn’t he want to talk to Roethlisberger’s teammates?

Then there’s the question of why Goodell was sharing these observations in an on-the-record manner with any reporter. Although team president Art Rooney, II, seemed to imply in remarks to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that the comments weren’t intended to be published this week (or, presumably, ever), King’s clarification did not include any explanation that Goodell objected to the use of the quotes as on-the-record statements.

Something doesn’t make sense here, and it would be naive to assume that the call from Goodell to King that resulted in King’s clarification wasn’t preceded by a much more heated call from someone named Rooney to Goodell demanding that the toothpaste be crammed back into the tube before the Crest hit the fan at Media Day.

[ikestops85]

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I agree with you on the 24 players outside the Steelers comment...

but those who think Goodell actually said 24 Steelers and is now lying to protect himself are way off base. That's crazy talk right there and FlaSteel summed it up nicely.

Nothing wrong with commenting on the actual quote but the need for some to go tin foil looney bin is comical.

Now, after reading what Florio said do you want to change your comment? We are just questioning the logic of what Goodell and King said. I don't think we are saying it's a big conspiracy (except for the obvious 1 or 2) to get the Steelers. I think people are saying Goodell is an arse who doesn't know what he is doing and the Steelers have been one of the victims of his incompetence. Nothing more ... nothing less.

[feltdizz]

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I agree with you on the 24 players outside the Steelers comment...

but those who think Goodell actually said 24 Steelers and is now lying to protect himself are way off base. That's crazy talk right there and FlaSteel summed it up nicely.

Nothing wrong with commenting on the actual quote but the need for some to go tin foil looney bin is comical.

Now, after reading what Florio said do you want to change your comment? We are just questioning the logic of what Goodell and King said. I don't think we are saying it's a big conspiracy (except for the obvious 1 or 2) to get the Steelers. I think people are saying Goodell is an arse who doesn't know what he is doing and the Steelers have been one of the victims of his incompetence. Nothing more ... nothing less.

Florio is an azzz... He would like nothing more then to hear 24 Steelers don't like Ben. Why would I change my comment because another guy wants to put his stick in the pot?

Who in there right mind would say something like that besides Hines Ward to a reporter?

24 Steelers and 24 players are so far apart it makes no sense to even entertain the former as a truth.

I agree the whole story is unprofessional and to use it this week when it was said on the 7th of January is unprofessional.

[ikestops85]

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I agree with you on the 24 players outside the Steelers comment...

but those who think Goodell actually said 24 Steelers and is now lying to protect himself are way off base. That's crazy talk right there and FlaSteel summed it up nicely.

Nothing wrong with commenting on the actual quote but the need for some to go tin foil looney bin is comical.

Now, after reading what Florio said do you want to change your comment? We are just questioning the logic of what Goodell and King said. I don't think we are saying it's a big conspiracy (except for the obvious 1 or 2) to get the Steelers. I think people are saying Goodell is an arse who doesn't know what he is doing and the Steelers have been one of the victims of his incompetence. Nothing more ... nothing less.

Florio is an azzz... He would like nothing more then to hear 24 Steelers don't like Ben. Why would I change my comment because another guy wants to put his stick in the pot?

Who in there right mind would say something like that besides Hines Ward to a reporter?

24 Steelers and 24 players are so far apart it makes no sense to even entertain the former as a truth.

I agree the whole story is unprofessional and to use it this week when it was said on the 7th of January is unprofessional.

I agree that Florio is an azz but if the azz is even asking the question why can't we? If I'm Peter King talking to Goodell about Ben and he says he talked to 24 players and none of them supported Ben my assumption has to be he means Steelers. Why in the hell would he talk to other players? Are you saying that makes sense to you?

[Jooser]

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You have been a great poster and very respected by me for a long time. In reality that hasn't changed for me. The post was condescending IMO.

Not one of us started this. It's goodell and SI. We responded to a legit situation.

It's a shared sentiment DJ, and that's why I'm a little shocked, but like I stated...it's cool. I have zero idea how you could think the post was condescending. There's too much whining and bitching going on over Goodell, the refs, and the evil people who are out to destroy us. This entire thread is an example of it. The board erupts into a frenzy over something they believe is evidence that Goodell is out to get Ben. Turns out, everyone was wrong and it's nothing more than 2 individuals operating far below the expected competency levels for their positions...especially King.


Some of you may have simply questioned the appropriateness or accuracy of Goodell's statements. Some of you may have just been ragging on King or (wrongfully) the Commissioner for the timing of the article. What I read was far too many people thinking this was a personal attack on our team or against Ben...further propogation of the conspiracy theories.

I wanted to say something about it and I did. I will do it again if necessary.

I happen to be enjoying the thread, if you don't like the subject, you can choose not to click on it? It becomes condescending when other posters tell other posters how to think or feel about things that pertain to the team. I don't have any tin foil on my head, but I do think that Goodell does not treat Ben with the same respect as, say Vick? That being said, I respect your opinion if you disagree, but I choose to whine about said topic because it irks me to no end, and YES I'll have some cheese with that!

[Djfan]

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Now, after reading what Florio said do you want to change your comment? We are just questioning the logic of what Goodell and King said. I don't think we are saying it's a big conspiracy (except for the obvious 1 or 2) to get the Steelers. I think people are saying Goodell is an arse who doesn't know what he is doing and the Steelers have been one of the victims of his incompetence. Nothing more ... nothing less.

This.

[grotonsteel]

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Mofo BADall does not even show respect to Dan Rooney.

Peter King Article:

[url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...1467/index.htm"]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...1467/index.htm[/url]

" A couple of years ago, during NFL meetings in California, the commissioner and Steelers owner Dan Rooney, with their wives at the table, argued openly about the league's sanctions against Pittsburgh's physical wideout, Hines Ward. "He plays by the book!" Rooney barked.Goodell sighed."

"Dan," he said, "the problem is, you never think your players do anything wrong."

BADall can go to hell.

[Flasteel]

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You have been a great poster and very respected by me for a long time. In reality that hasn't changed for me. The post was condescending IMO.

Not one of us started this. It's goodell and SI. We responded to a legit situation.

It's a shared sentiment DJ, and that's why I'm a little shocked, but like I stated...it's cool. I have zero idea how you could think the post was condescending. There's too much whining and bitching going on over Goodell, the refs, and the evil people who are out to destroy us. This entire thread is an example of it. The board erupts into a frenzy over something they believe is evidence that Goodell is out to get Ben. Turns out, everyone was wrong and it's nothing more than 2 individuals operating far below the expected competency levels for their positions...especially King.


Some of you may have simply questioned the appropriateness or accuracy of Goodell's statements. Some of you may have just been ragging on King or (wrongfully) the Commissioner for the timing of the article. What I read was far too many people thinking this was a personal attack on our team or against Ben...further propogation of the conspiracy theories.

I wanted to say something about it and I did. I will do it again if necessary.

I happen to be enjoying the thread, if you don't like the subject, you can choose not to click on it? It becomes condescending when other posters tell other posters how to think or feel about things that pertain to the team. I don't have any tin foil on my head, but I do think that Goodell does not treat Ben with the same respect as, say Vick? That being said, I respect your opinion if you disagree, but I choose to whine about said topic because it irks me to no end, and YES I'll have some cheese with that!

[Crash]

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Everyone on this (and other boards) who told me how wrong I was when I said Goodell had a personal vendetta against this team?











































































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