Polian thinks Ben is elite, are some of you happy now?

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Re: Polian thinks Ben is elite, are some of you happy now?

Manning claimed in his book that, while in the training room, in response to a track athlete who made a remark, Manning dropped his shorts to moon the athlete. "I did it thinking the trainer wasn't where she would see. ... Even when she did, it seemed like something she'd have laughed at, considering the environment, or shrugged off as harmless. Crude maybe, but harmless."

Naughright and her lawyer provided a different version of events. In a court filing, her lawyer wrote that she was examining Manning to see why Manning was having pain in one of his feet and was crouched behind him when "entirely unprovoked, Peyton Manning decided to pull down his shorts and sit on Dr. Naughright's head and face."

Gee, which story sounds more logical?

Read:

The court record includes a letter to Manning from former Tennessee cross country runner Malcolm Saxon, who Manning said was the intended target of the mooning. Written in December 2002, the letter reads, in part: "Bro, you have tons of class, but you have shown no mercy or grace to this lady who was on her knees seeing if you had a stress fracture. ...

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Re: Polian thinks Ben is elite, are some of you happy now?

Yep. They covered it up.

[ScoreKeeper]

Re: Polian thinks Ben is elite, are some of you happy now?

Yeah, and I am done with him. It's obvious he's nothing more than a troll trying to bring others down to his level.

[Iron Shiek]

Re: Polian thinks Ben is elite, are some of you happy now?

Completely agree. Ben was never likely to be as marketable as Peyton anyway. He assured that with the past off-season's situations. It doesn't bother me that he's not making marketing dollars. None of them go into my pocket.

Hmmm, I think he assured his "un-marketability" when he did that terrible American Idol commercial and was singing. That sealed it right there.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Polian thinks Ben is elite, are some of you happy now?

Completely agree. Ben was never likely to be as marketable as Peyton anyway. He assured that with the past off-season's situations. It doesn't bother me that he's not making marketing dollars. None of them go into my pocket.

Hmmm, I think he assured his "un-marketability" when he did that terrible American Idol commercial and was singing. That sealed it right there.

What about the absysmal "Hello? TV Land?" Fathead commercial? Brutal.

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Re: Polian thinks Ben is elite, are some of you happy now?

Yep. They covered it up.

How did they cover it up if we are talking about it? To make matters worse Peyton brought it back up AGAIN in a book. How the effe is that covering it up?

3 things stand out:

1. This happened in COLLEGE!!! When the story broke it was talked about in the SEC region for a while.... Peyton took a hit, the University took a hit and the media pounded them for a few weeks.

2. This happened in COLLEGE!!!! What does any of this have to do with Goodell and the current NFL media bonanza? The NFL is the highest rated TV show. College ratings pale in comparison so why the hell would anyone with common sense expect any player in todays NFL to get bad publicity for something that happened 10+ years ago?

3. THIS HAPPENED IN COLLEGE!!! Who cares about college? This is the NFL.

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How did they cover it up if we are talking about it?

They covered it up when it occurred you dunce. To the point that for almost 10 years people thought he simply mooned her.

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Re: Polian thinks Ben is elite, are some of you happy now?

How did they cover it up if we are talking about it?

They covered it up when it occurred you dunce. To the point that for almost 10 years people thought he simply mooned her.

dude... I went to UT and trust me.... it wasn't covered up. You just didn't give a sh!t about Peyton when he was at Tennessee.

It was all over the news. But what you fail to realize is a tea bag at an SEC school doesn't make the ABC, CBS and NBC nightly news.

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Re: Polian thinks Ben is elite, are some of you happy now?

It was all over the news.

And yet, I cannot find a simple article from when it supposedly occurred.

[Scarletfire1970]

Re: Polian thinks Ben is elite, are some of you happy now?

I want equal treatment. When Peyton Manning throws 3 TDs and 7 picks and wins the only ring he has? Where's the criticism?

We win ugly and people rip us.

The Packers have won three of their last 4 games by a TD or less and they act like we don't belong on the field with them.

Well, what you want and how you view things is quite different from the mass.

Your criteria changes daily on how to do things, depending on which agenda you are serving, Ben propping or Steeler hating.

That said, Peyton is a media darling, widely respected and regarded as a top 2 QB in the league. Without him, his team is a 4 win team.

He also just took over the top marketing athlete position from Tiger.

You should be happy that Ben is getting recognition, not hating everything else in the world. Ben will never be the media darling Peyton is now. Those are just the facts. You may not like them but you should acknowledge them. Ben placed himself in the positions and like it or not, he will have to reap the issues and character questions that come with the two accusations and the multiple attitude stories.

You yourself ripped Cutler for perceived items, proving you have a floating criteria.

Wonder why the media still loves Kobe? Fact is they didn't recognize Ben's accomplishments before these accusations.

[SteelAbility]

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Yes, we all know that two allegations within one year constitutes definitive, irrefutable, beyond-a-reasonable doubt proof. If the second allegation comes on day 366, the timer resets and the second accusation loses its umph.

Some people don't understand due process or even why it was instituted. You see, there was a day (before the United States was even a flicker in anyone's imagination) when someone would accuse you of something, ANYTHING, with another "corroborating" witness and the next thing you knew was you were being dragged to the center of town and beheaded. It was a day when the true "geniuses" were ruling society.

Yet others don't understand the concept of burden of proof. It's really very simple. Allegations are EASY. Proof is DIFFICULT. Those who jump on allegations are taking the EASY (and thoughtless) way out. Those were the same idiots just egging to behead somebody. Yes, they took it further. They encouraged others to allege so they could get out their swords and feel powerful and righteous.

These same idiots can't conceive of even ONE reasonable scenario by which their conclusions break down. Here's a reasonable scenario ...

1. Ben has $$$$$$ signs on his chest and target on his back
2. Ben has a pending case involving sexual assault allegations (one, which, by the way has been proven to be a sham. Nonetheless public sentiment is not good at this point).
3. A few college girls are looking for a payday
4. They follow Ben and his entourage from bar to bar looking for a chance.
5. One of them, with a DTF tee-shirt on, eventually talks to Ben and suggests that sex in the bathroom would be great. She even suggests that "I'll resist, but you go right ahead. It'll be like an Alpha Male Lion taking his lioness. It'll be hot and sexy. Hell I'd even like to be cornered a bit. Makes me feel pursued. I get hot and wet that way."
6. Ben follows through with it. They have sex in the bathroom and it's totally consensual.
7. Now she has him by b@lls. It's he-said/she-said. The difference between them, however, is that Ben has 4 years remaining on a $100M contract. That's, oh, roughly, $57M on the line for Ben.
8. Now, given the above, Ben is roughly 50/50 as far as getting a career-ending conviction, even though he is completely innocent. Nice odds, huh? Isn't it easier to pay a few $100K and make this go away. This is, in fact, the crux of the whole matter. To put these very thoughts through his head and motivate a payoff, even though he is completely innocent.
9. This same girl, in the released interview tapes that were recorded the day after the ALLEGED incident, doesn't cry ONCE. She doesn't whimper ONCE. There is no hint of anger or shame in her "testimony."


But I guess the above is completely ruled out because "two allegations in a year constitutes definitive proof." The old saying, "where there's smoke there's fire" is actually wrong. It's the other way around. Where there's fire, there's smoke. So, if you see smoke, make d@mn sure it's the right kind of smoke before you cry "Fire!" and unjustly ruin someone's life.

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Wonder why the media still loves Kobe? Fact is they didn't recognize Ben's accomplishments before these accusations.

If Ben didn't have the accomplishments it wouldn't make the 6 o clock news!

Kobe's situation was 8 YEARS ago. Ben's situation was 8 months ago. I quiet off season does wonders for an athlete's image.

[Irongut]

Re: Polian thinks Ben is elite, are some of you happy now?

Yeah, and I am done with him. It's obvious he's nothing more than a troll trying to bring others down to his level.

You think calling me a troll bothers me? I'm much more a fan of this team than you likely ever have been. Keep saying it if it makes you feel better.

[Irongut]

Re: Polian thinks Ben is elite, are some of you happy now?

It was all over the news.

And yet, I cannot find a simple article from when it supposedly occurred.

Because most don't care any longer. Only the insecure fans of Ben, not the Steelers, want to speak about it today and make it like it has anything to do with Ben.

[Irongut]

Re: Polian thinks Ben is elite, are some of you happy now?

Wonder why the media still loves Kobe? Fact is they didn't recognize Ben's accomplishments before these accusations.

Kobe lost tons of endorsements and money and still doesn't have them back, just like Ben will never get them back.