Redman vs Mendy

[flippy]

Redman averages 4.8 ypc to Mendy's 3.9 ypc.

And Redman runs in predictable short yardage situations where defenses are loading up to stop him.

Why doesn't Redman get more carries? Especially in the Red Zone where we've had struggles over the course of the season.

I know I may be in the minority here, but I think Redman can be a better back than Mendy if given a legit chance.

[CanadianSteel]

Re: Redman vs Mendy

Add me to the list of people that have been saying Red should be getting more carries. Guy has produced at a high level. but to have a Red vs Mendy debate is a little far fetched IMO. Our Oline makes Mendy look bad at times, but the guy has real talent and great vision. Red is a "can't find a hole, make a hole" type runner. LOVE that style but can he last with an increased work load? Who knows, all i know is i want Red to take them carries away from Moore.

[Oviedo]

Re: Redman vs Mendy

Are we really going to have a discussion insinuating that Redman is a better back than Mendy? Really?

That is such a ridiculous notion, I'll opt out now!!!!

[feltdizz]

Re: Redman vs Mendy

Are we really going to have a discussion insinuating that Redman is a better back than Mendy? Really?

That is such a ridiculous notion, I'll opt out now!!!!

I think it's more of a "why isn't Redman getting more touches" discussion.

[flippy]

Re: Redman vs Mendy

Are we really going to have a discussion insinuating that Redman is a better back than Mendy? Really?

That is such a ridiculous notion, I'll opt out now!!!!

3.9 ypc for a season is barely successful by NFL standards.

I'll give Mendy the edge on catching the ball, speed, and spin move over Redman.

But Redman consistently hits the hole harder and faster and moves forward versus dancing sideways.

Redman's been more effective on average when given a chance. And teams know for sure when Redman is running the ball, so he should be less effective on average.

And Mendy's been the redzone back all season. An area where we've struggled.

I know the general consensus is Mendy is great. But is he really? I just think the fans tend to overrate him.

[flippy]

Re: Redman vs Mendy

Are we really going to have a discussion insinuating that Redman is a better back than Mendy? Really?

That is such a ridiculous notion, I'll opt out now!!!!

I think it's more of a "why isn't Redman getting more touches" discussion.

exactly. plus it's a different running style teams have to deal with.

[pick6]

Re: Redman vs Mendy

Mendy just needs to choose win to do that stop and go move that he does at the line. Sometimes he needs to just take the 3 yards. And yeaterday when he got stood up by browns safety Adams was because he stopped and gave the initiative to Adams. He's got to give all db's the business. He is a little soft but he's trying to snap out of it. But I like Mendy because he can go house any time and he is versatile with good hands ( although we don't use it enough, arrrrrggghhhh).

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: Redman vs Mendy

The notion that Redman is our short yardage and goal line running specialist is a myth.

Mendenhall had 13 touchdowns this season, all on the ground.

Redman had 2 touchdowns this season, both on receptions.

Redman has been used recently as a sidecar in shotgun situations, and has gained yardage on the ground on draw plays, which is the opposite of predictable short yardage situations.

[Djfan]

Re: Redman vs Mendy

Imagine them together in a two back set. I hate the thought of getting rid of Speath to accomplish this!! (insert sarcasm icon here).

If I saw it correctly, on Mendy's second touchdown he had a lead blocker in the backfield, slightly offset. It works. Do it.

[Crash]

Re: Redman vs Mendy

Thats silly. Redman is what he is, a short yardage bruising back. He should be getting MOORE's carries.

[feltdizz]

Re: Redman vs Mendy

Thats silly. Redman is what he is, a short yardage bruising back. He should be getting MOORE's carries.

he is more than that... he is great after the catch and has shown the ability to get to the second level with ease when the OL blocks.

He is much more than a bruising RB... he should have had at least 3X the amount of touches he has had this season IMO.

Those games where Mend had 30+ touches should have been 20+ touches and the others should have gone to Redman.

I have no idea why we have been so stubborn with his talent.

[ikestops85]

Re: Redman vs Mendy

I have no idea why we have been so stubborn with his talent.

I think it is the stigma of a 1st round draft choice vs. an undrafted FA. I am not going to say that Redman is better than Mendy but I certainly think Redman should be getting the ball more often than he currently is.

I will defend Mendy in the same way I always defended FWP. If the O-line consistently lets the defense penetrate into the backfield it's hard for the back to generate any momentum. That's why it seems like Mendy is dancing.

I think we have a good 2 back system with Mendenhall and Redman. We just need Arians to utilize it properly.

Maybe BA made a New Years resolution.

[aggiebones]

Re: Redman vs Mendy

Let's remember both are rather young. Mendy is still learning his craft too. He has a MUCH higher ceiling in my mind though I've been one of those highest on Redman since early on taking a bit of abuse for it. I think Ike has a pretty high ceiling too, more than I originally thought, just not as high as Mendy. Both are big and have good hands and are tough. I think Ike gets a bit more in tough situations, but Mendy has big speed wheels while also being able to get forward for yards.

NEVER, I repeat never compare rushing averages when comparing players. Ike does run alot in short yardage and does surprisingly well getting 4 yards when 1 is needed. But lets not forget he gets more garbage time and only has 4 carries a game. Mendy has alot more work to do in a game. He has much more responsibility. He ate alot of yards with Ben out and behind a battered OL.
I agree Redman should get more work, not sure why he is being held down. It isn't smart to burn out Mendy in 5 years, when Redman will be a strong backup with 8-10 touches. Many teams do well mixing in different backs.
We'll see how things go from here.

[Crash]

Re: Redman vs Mendy

Maybe we can get Bettis out of retirement too?

[CanadianSteel]

Re: Redman vs Mendy

Could be a stamina issue with Red. Moore has been great for us, but it's Red's turn to shine now IMO, give him more carries and have Mendy stay in on 3rd down. Bye bye Moore