Four Steelers named Pro Bowl alternates

[fezziwig]

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I'm very happy these two guys got some respect for a change.

[phillyesq]

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[quote=Dee Dub][quote=Oviedo]

Ike most definitely.

Timmons not so much. IMO, Timmons is more hype than substance. I think he's far from being a complete player.

I think Timmons was playing at a pro bowl level, for sure, until he injured his hip which I think slowed him the rest of the year.

But then again there are some who will never recognize Timmons as the player he is and his contributions. The expectations on him have always been unrealistic. He'd have to be better than a combination of Lambert, Ham and Lawrence Taylor to get begruding acknowledgement from some and then it would still probably be pointing out negatives. Then again his real fault is that he isn't a Polish-kid from Penn State.[/quote:1zyprr1z]

Cha-ching!! Money post.

See this original negative comment about Timmons comes from one who didn’t want the Steelers to draft Timmons. As a result they will never ever be able to see things the way they really are with him. To say that from the Inside LB spot that these aren’t pro bowl numbers would also be not recognizing that they stack up against any ILB who is a pro bowler….


Lawrence Timmons

126 tackels 3 sacks 2 INT’s 9 PD’s FF 1

Ray Lewis

128 tackles 2 sacks 2 INT’s 4 PD’s FF 2

Jerod Mayo

169 tackles 1 sack 0 INT’s 5 PD’s FF 1


Patrick Willis

128 tackles 6 sacks 0 INT’s 5 PD’s FF 2

Brian Urlacher

120 tackles 3.5 sacks 1 INT 10 PD’s FF 2

Oh…and none of these other ILB’s have on their team nothing like what Lawrence Timmons has on his team. 3 other outstanding pro bowl caliber LB’s[/quote:1zyprr1z]

I was one of those who never wanted Timmons (and I didn't like Posluzny as an option at 1.16 either).

I'll acknowledge that early in the season, he absolutely played at a pro bowl level, and he finally performed like everything he was sold to be by his supporters. However, later in the season, after he got banged up a bit, he wasn't nearly as effective.

Since the midpoint of the season, his performance has been more pedestrian than exceptional. His only double digit tackle performance came against the Jets, but he missed a few that I can think of, and got trucked by LDT in the hole on one play that comes to mind. I'd think that those who were so quick to criticize Harrison for a slow second half last year would also be concerned about a young middle linebacker whose performance falls off dramatically when he isn't 100% healthy (especially since I can't imagine many middle linbebackers staying 100% for an entire season).

Timmons could benefit from a few weeks off as much as anybody on the defense. I really hope that the Steelers are able to get a bye, and that he can take advantage. Early season Timmons was, unquestionably a huge asset to the defense. Late season Timmons -- eh.

[phillyesq]

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no love for Wallace

I can understand Wallace not being named to the pro bowl because the four who made it all had solid credentials. But not even an alternate???

He's fourth in the AFC in yardage, and tied with TO for 4th among AFC receivers in yardage.

Does anybody know who was named an alternate at WR?

Hopefully this gives him a chip on his shoulder for the Browns and the playoffs to disprove his naysayers. And, with any luck, maybe this keeps his price down come contract time.

[papillon]

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no love for Wallace

I can understand Wallace not being named to the pro bowl because the four who made it all had solid credentials. But not even an alternate???

He's fourth in the AFC in yardage, and tied with TO for 4th among AFC receivers in yardage.

Does anybody know who was named an alternate at WR?

Hopefully this gives him a chip on his shoulder for the Browns and the playoffs to disprove his naysayers. And, with any luck, maybe this keeps his price down come contract time.

I wouldn't worry about the contract. If the Steelers want to keep him, they will, they treat their own as free agents rather than signing someone else's FAs. Woodley, Timmons, Wallace will all get a second contract with the Steelers, IMO.

Pappy

[fezziwig]

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To be honest I only at times see the value in Timmons. I mean here we have a number one pick that has pretty much sat the bench his first three seasons. He gets number one pick money, we teach him or try to teach him our way or the NFL way of playing and when he finally starts to show his worth he, will probably be up for a new contract and use the fact that we trained him ( if we have or he has picked it up yet ) he and his agent will use it as leverage during the next contract.

I'll have to pay more attention to him because I haven't seen the returns on Timmons. Others have picked up our defense quicker and showed more action on the field than Timmons. I don't know the contracts that are coming up or the dollars we have to spend but, I would keep a few over Timmons if the problem came up on the have and have nots.
Woodley, Taylor are just two that deserve a contract over Timmons if one of them had to be left out.

Go ahead, let me have it because my opinion differs.

[fordfixer]

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When I first read the title, I though "Ike, Wallace, Timmons, Woodley." 1 out of 4. Whoops.

And I likely would have considered Farrior, Mendenhall, and Roethlisberger as alternates before Clark, Keisel and Hampton.

Whats with the hate for the Wyoming boy named Brett

[Dee Dub]

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To be honest I only at times see the value in Timmons. I mean here we have a number one pick that has pretty much sat the bench his first three seasons.....

It isnt a matter of a difference in opinion....dude you dont even have your facts right about Timmons. He became a starter half way through his second year. In year three? He put up these numbers…

78 tackles 7 sacks 4 FF 4 PD’s. Hardly the numbers for one who sat the bench in year 3.

See when you don’t like a certain player and you are against the drafting of him by your favorite team you are a bit tainted in your view of reality.

[fezziwig]

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To be honest I only at times see the value in Timmons. I mean here we have a number one pick that has pretty much sat the bench his first three seasons.....

It isnt a matter of a difference in opinion....dude you dont even have your facts right about Timmons. He became a starter half way through his second year. In year three? He put up these numbers…

78 tackles 7 sacks 4 FF 4 PD’s. Hardly the numbers for one who sat the bench in year 3.

See when you don’t like a certain player and you are against the drafting of him by your favorite team you are a bit tainted in your view of reality.

Correction, I meant to say his second year. Anyway, I still don't think he is the great player that got the Pro Bowl snub. He's okay or good but I don't see the return on him so far.

I do not, not like him I don't know him or follow the college league to have any prior info on the guy.

[Dee Dub]

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To be honest I only at times see the value in Timmons. I mean here we have a number one pick that has pretty much sat the bench his first three seasons.....

It isnt a matter of a difference in opinion....dude you dont even have your facts right about Timmons. He became a starter half way through his second year. In year three? He put up these numbers…

78 tackles 7 sacks 4 FF 4 PD’s. Hardly the numbers for one who sat the bench in year 3.

See when you don’t like a certain player and you are against the drafting of him by your favorite team you are a bit tainted in your view of reality.

Correction, I meant to say his second year. Anyway, I still don't think he is the great player that got the Pro Bowl snub. He's okay or good but I don't see the return on him so far.

I do not, not like him I don't know him or follow the college league to have any prior info on the guy.

Again...stack his numbers up against those who are on the pro bowl roster. He is right there with all of them.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

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See when you don’t like a certain player and you are against the drafting of him by your favorite team you are a bit tainted in your view of reality.

Just like you with Ike Taylor, when you proclaimed he would never be anything more than average?

[fezziwig]

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I think a lot has to do with popularity or the comfort level of just picking the same guys.
On the radio they were saying a lot doesn't go into picking these guys for the Pro Bowl and the players are not offended when they do not get picked. To me that was a broad statement for this sports annoucer to make.
I do recall one Steeler talking about Ray Seasl and how Ray was ticked off that he didn't get the Pro Bowl selection. He went on to say that, Ray questioned everyone every game he went up against and asked them if, they voted for him. He said Ray was beating the hell out of those guys that said they didn't vote for him. I thought that was funny.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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When I first read the title, I though "Ike, Wallace, Timmons, Woodley." 1 out of 4. Whoops.

And I likely would have considered Farrior, Mendenhall, and Roethlisberger as alternates before Clark, Keisel and Hampton.

Whats with the hate for the Wyoming boy named Brett

He does have an All Pro level beard.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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To be honest I only at times see the value in Timmons. I mean here we have a number one pick that has pretty much sat the bench his first three seasons. He gets number one pick money, we teach him or try to teach him our way or the NFL way of playing and when he finally starts to show his worth he, will probably be up for a new contract and use the fact that we trained him ( if we have or he has picked it up yet ) he and his agent will use it as leverage during the next contract.

I'll have to pay more attention to him because I haven't seen the returns on Timmons. Others have picked up our defense quicker and showed more action on the field than Timmons. I don't know the contracts that are coming up or the dollars we have to spend but, I would keep a few over Timmons if the problem came up on the have and have nots.
Woodley, Taylor are just two that deserve a contract over Timmons if one of them had to be left out.

Go ahead, let me have it because my opinion differs.

The number one pick money thing is a flaw to your argument. Even though he was a relatively high pick for us at #15 (giving him an $8 million signing bonus), the total value of his rookie deal is $12 million over 5 years, including a base salary of only $650,000 this season. That overall contract averages out to $2.4 million per year.

Compare that to the contract that we gave to the guy to come back to be Timmons' back-up (Larry Foote: 3 years, $9.3 million, $3.1 million per year).

Who is giving you more bang-for-your-buck: The Pro Bowl snub Timmons, or the veteran backup Foote who is making more money this year?

[fezziwig]

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That doesn't make sense giving him that much money to be a back up or were they nervous that Foote might need to be the starter after all ?

I'm not trying to put hate on Timmons, just saying he hasn't developed as I would expect from a number one pick. Not calling him a bust because I feel a bust is someone you get rid of after a while like Troy Edwards, Huey Richardson etc.

[RuthlessBurgher]

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That doesn't make sense giving him that much money to be a back up or were they nervous that Foote might need to be the starter after all ?

I'm not trying to put hate on Timmons, just saying he hasn't developed as I would expect from a number one pick. Not calling him a bust because I feel a bust is someone you get rid of after a while like Troy Edwards, Huey Richardson etc.

Foote was potentially needed as a starter if Farrior continued to slip (his game really fell off last year), but he has had somewhat of a renaissance this year.