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Next thing Crash will tell us is that Hines Ward deserves to be on the list before Joe Greene.
Actually, I was waiting for the remove Joe Greene and add Ben post.
Just stirring the pot boss, just stirring the pot.
Pappy
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The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft
1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia
"Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount
Only a couple of players different in my top 10 and Labriola's. He had Stautner (who was before my time) and Bettis in his top 10, and I had Mike Webster and Donnie Shell.
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Like Labriola, I didn't include current players, for the same reason as he stated. Troy and Ben have an excellent chance of making my future top 10.
Joe Greene being on the list is laughable. He wasn't even better than LC, and remember Joe Greene was so frustrated after one loss in 1974 that he walked out, quit, only to return.
Labriola's a dumbass. Troy and Ben can retire tomorrow and they'd be in that top 10. So why not include them now?
Well, let's see what we have here.
Let's remove Bettis and Stautner
Potential replacements:
LC Greenwood
Troy Polamalu
Mike Webster
Ben Roethlisberger
Hines Ward (I said potential and he is)
Donnie Shell
Andy Russell
I'll stop there. Are Troy and Ben the best two potential candidates on that list? I think it would be hard to eliminate Webby and LC, but that's just me. That's why we have to wait for the entire body of work. By then it very well might be a slam dunk, but not yet.
Pappy
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The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft
1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia
"Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount
Labriola's a dumbass. Troy and Ben can retire tomorrow and they'd be in that top 10. So why not include them now?
He's a dumbass just because he decided not to include current players?
IF I was to make a list with current and former players, I guess Dawson and Franco would be out of the top 10 and Troy and Ben would be in. Hard to cut such stellar pros out of a top 10, though. Maybe I would have to consider creating a couple of "ties" to keep them in.
If the list was titled "Ten FAVORITE Steelers"?
Rocky Bleier
Hines Ward
Jack Lambert
Donnie Shell
Mel Blount
Terry Bradshaw
Troy Polamalu
Lynn Swann
Jerome Bettis
Rod Woodson
(not necessarily in that order)
He's a dumbass just because he decided not to include current players?
He's a dumbass for the reason WHY he didn't include active players.
Like I said, Troy and Ben could retire tomorrow, and they'd be on the list. Does it matter that they will play 5 more years?
Are they better than Webster and Greenwood? Webster is talked about as being the GOAT at his position (and, so is Dawson). How do you leave that guy off the list? In your own words earlier, LC Greenwood was better than Joe Greene and Greene is the discussion as GOAT at his position. So, LC, must be d@mn good.
As I said earlier, when their careers are complete it may be a slam dunk. Polamalu will in all likelihood be in the GOAT discussion at safety and while Ben may not enter that discussion he'll probably own enough jewelry to be on the list easily.
Pappy
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The 2025 Pittsburgh Steeler draft
1.21 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon - Nick Emmanwori, S, S. Carolina
3.83 - Kaleb Johnson, RB, Iowa - DJ Giddens, RB, Kans St
3.123 - Will Howard, QB, OSU
4.156 - JJ Pegues, DT, Ole Miss
5.185 - Clay Webb, OG, Jack St
7.229 - Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins, DT, Georgia
"Football is a physical game, well, it used to be anyways" - Mel Blount
I don't believe Greene was better than LC. LC was dominant, he was also dominant in big games. Ron Yary was a HOF linemen and LC destroyed him in SB IX.
Greene's career pretty much peaked and then began sliding after he hurt his back in 1975. In fact, many in the Pittsburgh media thought he could be cut in 1978 because he was slowing down rapidly, but then Noll started to rotate him and pro-longed his career.
Ok... i dunno why i'm doing this.
LC is my favorite too, but you can't deny Mean Joe. LC, Dwight, and Ernie were ALL BETTER because Joe Green was taking on 3 blockers at a time. That leaves 2 OL and a TE or two to deal with the rest...
Three blockers at a time and leaving 2 to block three?
That's hyberbole.
Perhaps a bit, but he certainly warranted a double team a lot of the time.
Besides, even if you ignore the stats and just go with the "he was instrumental in turning the attitude of the team around" angle, he warrants a spot.
But hey, this is why we all got to pick a top 10 in another thread... Everyone gets their own. Huzzah!!!
I'm giving my bottom 10 here for the hell of it.
Tim Worley
Mitch Berger
Lee Flowers
Brent Alexander
Alonzo Jackson
Troy Edwards
Dwight Stone (how could HE NEVER CATCH THE BALL? He made Ike Taylor look like Lynn Swann)
Kris Brown (screw you buddy)
Kordell Stewart (probably the best player on this list, by man i hated him at times)
Tryone Carter
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