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  • fordfixer
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    • May 2008
    • 10921

    Line holds back no-huddle offense

    On the Steelers: Line holds back no-huddle offense
    Sunday, December 19, 2010
    By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
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    The offense has bogged down lately and, in the past, the remedy was quick and effective. Run the no-huddle. The quarterback loves it, he is in his prime and he once delivered a Super Bowl victory deploying it to perfection.

    This season, though, the no-huddle has been no mas, a little-used weapon on a team that could use every tool in its offensive bag.

    "This is the least amount, other than my first two years, that we've run the no-huddle," quarterback Ben Roethlisberger said.

    He said he does not know why.

    "I've come to him a couple of times and said, 'Let's do it,' " Roethlisberger said of conversations he has had with coordinator Bruce Arians. "He said, 'Whoa, hold on, maybe next series; let's do this."

    There are simple reasons Arians has used the no-huddle less often this season despite its past effectiveness and Roethlisberger's pleas. The reasons are Maurkice Pouncey and all their new starting linemen, rookie receivers Emmanuel Sanders and Antonio Brown, and even veteran Antwaan Randle El, who returned to the team after a four-year hiatus.

    "You've got a rookie center, rookie receivers, a different line every week, three linemen who have never been here, a receiver who's never been here," Arians said. "Ben plays so fast, those guys can't stay with the pace, so it's extremely hard."

    The problem, as Arians noted, is if one of those players misses a call in the no-huddle, the play can blow up into something ugly.

    "It only takes one missed code word," Arians said.

    But with the quarterback lobbying for more use and the rookies and new linemen approaching the 14th game of the regular season, Arians might be convinced to use it more in the playoffs than he has in the regular season.

    "We have to get better at it because it's been really good for us," he said. "It's something you keep working and working and working on."

    The Steelers practice the no-huddle as often as they have in previous years, starting Thursday. Roethlisberger said he is not limited physically to running it despite his broken nose and right foot.

    "I like the change of pace, I like the up-tempo, it's hard for defenses to substitute; there's no time," Roethlisberger said. "So you kind of get basic packages. I do like it. Sometimes you're limited because you can't use certain plays that you have. I like it. I just think we haven't done it a lot yet. Hopefully, we'll get to it if we keep going. I think we have enough weapons with 88 and 84 coming along. We need to start."

    The run: Numbers are deceiving

    Is it time for the Steelers to stop trying to hammer that square peg into a round hole and abandon their ineffective ground game?

    On the surface, the Steelers' running game seems to have revived since last season, when it ranked 19th in the NFL with an average of 112.1 yards per game. They have averaged 120.2 yards this season, ranking 10th. But their average per rush has fallen off from even that slow pace, from 4.19 yards to 4.08, and the production of their horse, Rashard Mendenhall, has declined since a fast start.

    Mendenhall ran for 332 yards in his first three games on 64 carries. That's an average of 5.19 yards. Since then, he has run for 741 yards on 211 carries, an average of 3.51 yards. He has 1,073 yards and a 3.9 average overall.

    He topped 100 yards twice in the first three games and only once since then.

    The blocking for the run may be the prime culprit, but Roethlisberger has shown no matter what quality offensive line he plays behind, he can be effective. He has a 94.8 passer rating with 13 touchdowns and just five interceptions.

    The Steelers' stars on offense all are in the passing game -- Roethlisberger, Mike Wallace, Hines Ward and Heath Miller. Maybe it is time they lean on them more.

    Thursdays with Bruce

    The most appealing interview of the week often is when Arians is permitted his one time to speak, Thursday after practice. The past Thursday was no different.

    Arians on why the Steelers will not try to stay away from All-Pro New York Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis:

    "In 17 years, I don't care who's over there, where they're at because you don't know where they're gong to be. You read your reads, and coverage dictates where you throw. You start throwing away from people, you start throwing into coverage and you're going to have problems. A guy's got to beat him and you got to throw it and catch it. He is a heck of a player, as is Antonio [Cromartie], but you can't dodge players, whether it was Deion Sanders or whoever it has been in the past. You just take your reads and you throw the ball where it belongs."

    Arians on how to avoid holding penalties in the offensive line:

    "A guy has to let go. You can call it on every play if you want to. We've bounced outside and made some long runs, and the referee's or umpire's decision, their judgment was we restricted a guy; our judgment was we let go. You can't win. So, you got to keep your hands in, you have to do a better job of keeping your body in position.

    "Most of our holding penalties have occurred on an inside running play that bounced outside. A guy's got inside opposition, and he has to feel the defender and let him go."

    Arians on All-Pro Jets center Nick Mangold: "I wouldn't trade Pouncey for him."

    I wouldn't trade [Maurkice] Pouncey for [Nick Mangold."

    Ed Bouchette: [email="ebouchette@post-gazette.com"]ebouchette@post-gazette.com[/email].


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  • SanAntonioSteelerFan
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    • May 2008
    • 8361

    #2
    Re: Line holds back no-huddle offense

    Originally posted by fordfixer
    On the Steelers: Line holds back no-huddle offense
    Sunday, December 19, 2010
    By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
    [url="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10353/1111665-66.stm"]http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10353/1111665-66.stm[/url]

    The offense has bogged down lately ...

    The most appealing interview of the week often is when Arians is permitted his one time to speak, Thursday after practice. The past Thursday was no different.

    Arians on why the Steelers will not try to stay away from All-Pro New York Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis:

    "In 17 years, I don't care who's over there, where they're at because you don't know where they're gong to be. You read your reads, and coverage dictates where you throw. You start throwing away from people, you start throwing into coverage and you're going to have problems. A guy's got to beat him and you got to throw it and catch it. He is a heck of a player, as is Antonio [Cromartie], but you can't dodge players, whether it was Deion Sanders or whoever it has been in the past. You just take your reads and you throw the ball where it belongs."
    Previous thread where Ben is interviewed: "Ben, does BA still script plays"? ... Ben: "Yes" ... Q: "If the scripted plays aren't working, do you guys then move off the script to try something else"? .... Ben: "No, he stays on the script even if it isn't working".

    And then above, when talking about Revis, BA says: I don't care who is back there, Revis, Deion, it doesn't matter, we're going to throw the ball there, you throw the ball where it belongs.

    I don't know about you guys, and maybe I'm just late to the dance, but it is now crystal-clear in my mind about BA - his main coaching instincts prevent him from reacting to what is happening on the field. It seems to me that a coach would have to be a friggin' Einstein-level mad genius to make up for the fact that HE CANNOT AND WILL NOT ADJUST TO WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE FIELD. Maybe I'm just STOOOPID, but I just don't think BA and Einstein-level coaching EVER get matched up on one of those exams ...


    We got our "6-PACK" - time to work on a CASE!

    HERE WE GO STEELERS, HERE WE GO!

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    • NorthCoast
      Legend
      • Sep 2008
      • 26636

      #3
      Re: Line holds back no-huddle offense

      Originally posted by fordfixer
      On the Steelers: Line holds back no-huddle offense
      Sunday, December 19, 2010
      By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
      [url="http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10353/1111665-66.stm"]http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10353/1111665-66.stm[/url]

      ......

      "You've got a rookie center, rookie receivers, a different line every week, three linemen who have never been here, a receiver who's never been here," Arians said. "Ben plays so fast, those guys can't stay with the pace, so it's extremely hard."

      .................

      "A guy has to let go. You can call it on every play if you want to. We've bounced outside and made some long runs, and the referee's or umpire's decision, their judgment was we restricted a guy; our judgment was we let go. You can't win. So, you got to keep your hands in, you have to do a better job of keeping your body in position.

      ........

      Ed Bouchette: [email="ebouchette@post-gazette.com"]ebouchette@post-gazette.com[/email].


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      Can't keep up the pace?? Is that a conditioning problem? The Steelers OL consists of a bunch of plodders and trying to make them scramble will be a problem until they upgrade with more nimble players. For as good as Flozell has been, he is a lazy blocker. Watch him closely, he rarely goes to take on that second guy if his man is out of the play. Kemo has absolutely wiffed on some pulling plays, it was almost comical if not so sad.

      On the second quote, I agree. Holding can be called on nearly every play, but why are we being called more than the opponent? There is something wrong with the technique these guys are being taught, or maybe this is part of being a lazy blocker. Just reach out and grab your guy when you are beat..?

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      • Flasteel
        Hall of Famer
        • May 2008
        • 4004

        #4
        Re: Line holds back no-huddle offense

        FINALLY!!!!!!! The truth has been revealed! Thank you Ed Bouchette, for penning the sum of my feelings on the no-huddle and BA's refusal to implement it. It's pure nonsense at this point in the season. Every single offensive player would know the basic set of plays and signals needed to run the no-huddle effectively. The only thing missing from this article is the suspicion that BA refuses to go to it, because it removes him from control of the playcalling.

        It will be our salvation on offense if BA ever decides to get out of the way and let Ben do his thing. Based on Roethliberger's comments, it just may be the schism we need to jettison his sorry rear-end after the season. I just hope it doesn't come at the cost of a playoff game.
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        • chiken
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          • Jun 2010
          • 489

          #5
          Re: Line holds back no-huddle offense

          Man people sure do read what they want to read.

          How can you run no huddle when the line cant block? We have been complaining about the line since last year and thats when they were relatively healthy compared to this year. This year they have been God-awful at times. Are QB is practically duck taped together and we want to increase the chances of him getting crushed.

          IS anybody actually watching the games and not these messages boards?

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          • Flasteel
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            • May 2008
            • 4004

            #6
            Re: Line holds back no-huddle offense

            Originally posted by chiken
            Man people sure do read what they want to read.

            How can you run no huddle when the line cant block? We have been complaining about the line since last year and thats when they were relatively healthy compared to this year. This year they have been God-awful at times. Are QB is practically duck taped together and we want to increase the chances of him getting crushed.

            IS anybody actually watching the games and not these messages boards?
            I'm not sure if you suffer from a reading comprehension deficit or a football acumen deficit...maybe both.

            NO WHERE in that article does it mention the line's inability to block as the reason for not running the no-huddle. The liability of the line in this article is solely their inability to understand the offense. They get lumped in there with Sanders, Brown, and any other new piece to the offense BA can muster.

            The no-huddle utilizes a large chunk of the same plays we run throughout any game. It doesn't require any different blocking schemes, nor does it mean that we are dropping back to pass on every play. The no-huddle just means you are picking up the pace, preventing defensive substitutions, and most importantly, allowing the quarterback to call the plays.

            If anything, it gets defenders gassed at chasing down the quarterback and it limits the blitz packages they can send...thus helping out a line that struggles in pass pro.
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            • Chavezz
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              • May 2008
              • 465

              #7
              Re: Line holds back no-huddle offense

              Originally posted by chiken
              Man people sure do read what they want to read.

              How can you run no huddle when the line cant block? We have been complaining about the line since last year and thats when they were relatively healthy compared to this year. This year they have been God-awful at times. Are QB is practically duck taped together and we want to increase the chances of him getting crushed.

              IS anybody actually watching the games and not these messages boards?
              What's the difference of them not blocking in the regular offense? The no huddle is quick strike offense where the ball can come out of the QB's hands much faster.

              I don't buy that they can't block the no huddle, and if they can't then it's no different than a "normal" play.
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              • fordfixer
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                • May 2008
                • 10921

                #8
                Re: Line holds back no-huddle offense

                Originally posted by chiken
                Man people sure do read what they want to read.

                How can you run no huddle when the line cant block? We have been complaining about the line since last year and thats when they were relatively healthy compared to this year. This year they have been God-awful at times. Are QB is practically duck taped together and we want to increase the chances of him getting crushed.

                IS anybody actually watching the games and not these messages boards?



                You mean there are games too

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                • BradshawsHairdresser
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                  • Dec 2008
                  • 7056

                  #9
                  Re: Line holds back no-huddle offense

                  Originally posted by Flasteel
                  Originally posted by chiken
                  Man people sure do read what they want to read.

                  How can you run no huddle when the line cant block? We have been complaining about the line since last year and thats when they were relatively healthy compared to this year. This year they have been God-awful at times. Are QB is practically duck taped together and we want to increase the chances of him getting crushed.

                  IS anybody actually watching the games and not these messages boards?
                  I'm not sure if you suffer from a reading comprehension deficit or a football acumen deficit...maybe both.

                  NO WHERE in that article does it mention the line's inability to block as the reason for not running the no-huddle. The liability of the line in this article is solely their inability to understand the offense. They get lumped in there with Sanders, Brown, and any other new piece to the offense BA can muster.

                  The no-huddle utilizes a large chunk of the same plays we run throughout any game. It doesn't require any different blocking schemes, nor does it mean that we are dropping back to pass on every play. The no-huddle just means you are picking up the pace, preventing defensive substitutions, and most importantly, allowing the quarterback to call the plays.

                  If anything, it gets defenders gassed at chasing down the quarterback and it limits the blitz packages they can send...thus helping out a line that struggles in pass pro.
                  $$$$$
                  The title of the thread should have been, "Bruce Arians holds back no-huddle offense."

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                  • BURGH86STEEL
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                    • May 2008
                    • 6921

                    #10
                    Re: Line holds back no-huddle offense

                    Originally posted by Chavezz
                    Originally posted by chiken
                    Man people sure do read what they want to read.

                    How can you run no huddle when the line cant block? We have been complaining about the line since last year and thats when they were relatively healthy compared to this year. This year they have been God-awful at times. Are QB is practically duck taped together and we want to increase the chances of him getting crushed.

                    IS anybody actually watching the games and not these messages boards?
                    What's the difference of them not blocking in the regular offense? The no huddle is quick strike offense where the ball can come out of the QB's hands much faster.

                    I don't buy that they can't block the no huddle, and if they can't then it's no different than a "normal" play.

                    The reasons are Maurkice Pouncey and all their new starting linemen, rookie receivers Emmanuel Sanders and Antonio Brown, and even veteran Antwaan Randle El, who returned to the team after a four-year hiatus.

                    "You've got a rookie center, rookie receivers, a different line every week, three linemen who have never been here, a receiver who's never been here," Arians said. "Ben plays so fast, those guys can't stay with the pace, so it's extremely hard."

                    The problem, as Arians noted, is if one of those players misses a call in the no-huddle, the play can blow up into something ugly.

                    "It only takes one missed code word," Arians said.

                    IMO, this article boils down to inexperienced players and potential mistakes. Some will attempt to make it seem more then that to get at the agenda of trashing the OC.
                    Some of the players mentioned appeared to make several mistakes this season. As quickly as the no huddle is executed, one mis read by an inexperienced WR can result in a quick 6 going the other way. A missed block by an Olineman can result in the same. There are other potential mistakes like false starts.

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                    • JDSteeler
                      Backup
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 449

                      #11
                      Re: Line holds back no-huddle offense

                      Originally posted by Flasteel
                      FINALLY!!!!!!! The truth has been revealed! Thank you Ed Bouchette, for penning the sum of my feelings on the no-huddle and BA's refusal to implement it. It's pure nonsense at this point in the season. Every single offensive player would know the basic set of plays and signals needed to run the no-huddle effectively. The only thing missing from this article is the suspicion that BA refuses to go to it, because it removes him from control of the playcalling.

                      It will be our salvation on offense if BA ever decides to get out of the way and let Ben do his thing. Based on Roethliberger's comments, it just may be the schism we need to jettison his sorry rear-end after the season. I just hope it doesn't come at the cost of a playoff game.
                      Thx FLA....

                      This is the where the pigskin meets the goal-line...either BA wins this or Ben wins this.

                      And since BA is merely a MOLE, and his contract ends after this season, I would say it's
                      about time Ben stood up to BA and told him to shove it in his sorry AZZ!!!!

                      BA essentially said that he'd rather RUTFM for 3-yrds at a time, then put up some
                      friggin points on the scoreboard.

                      I'm satisfied now that all of the questions, that I've ever had about Arianus, have now been answered as clearly as a fresh breath of air in the morning after a rain-storm....

                      Arianus is holding back this offense, and he's holding back Ben!!! Whatever the reason,
                      Ben and Tomlin have to realize it, and take some friggin action!!!!

                      JD
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                      • Crash
                        Legend
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 5008

                        #12
                        Re: Line holds back no-huddle offense

                        The run: Numbers are deceiving

                        Is it time for the Steelers to stop trying to hammer that square peg into a round hole and abandon their ineffective ground game?

                        On the surface, the Steelers' running game seems to have revived since last season, when it ranked 19th in the NFL with an average of 112.1 yards per game. They have averaged 120.2 yards this season, ranking 10th. But their average per rush has fallen off from even that slow pace, from 4.19 yards to 4.08, and the production of their horse, Rashard Mendenhall, has declined since a fast start.

                        Mendenhall ran for 332 yards in his first three games on 64 carries. That's an average of 5.19 yards. Since then, he has run for 741 yards on 211 carries, an average of 3.51 yards. He has 1,073 yards and a 3.9 average overall.

                        He topped 100 yards twice in the first three games and only once since then.

                        The blocking for the run may be the prime culprit, but Roethlisberger has shown no matter what quality offensive line he plays behind, he can be effective. He has a 94.8 passer rating with 13 touchdowns and just five interceptions.

                        The Steelers' stars on offense all are in the passing game -- Roethlisberger, Mike Wallace, Hines Ward and Heath Miller. Maybe it is time they lean on them more.
                        Can't do that. People complain we aren't playing Steeler Football.

                        Just nail Spaeth and Johnson to the bench.

                        Problems solved.

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                        • Flasteel
                          Hall of Famer
                          • May 2008
                          • 4004

                          #13
                          Re: Line holds back no-huddle offense

                          Our first 10 points were out of the no-huddle but I got too caught up in the game to notice if our opening drive of the 2nd half was as well. Our last drive to win it was in the 2-minute no-huddle and we went 85 yards. Every time we went to it, we had success.

                          Horrible loss at home, but win the last 2 and we still get the #2 seed and a bye.
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                          • hawaiiansteel
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                            • May 2008
                            • 35649

                            #14
                            Re: Line holds back no-huddle offense

                            I thought everyone on our OL to the right of Jonathan Scott played well today....

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                            • chiken
                              Backup
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 489

                              #15
                              Re: Line holds back no-huddle offense

                              I will overlook the title of the thread for starters...

                              But nevertheless - yes I comprehended the article, maybe I should have simply used the facts that the article provided and none of what we actually see in the game. Up until the last nights game the Line had been very very shaky. so many missed blocks, So many of bad performances from different individuals at different times. So many holding and false start calls. This is why I felt we couldnt Run no huddle.

                              lastnight we looked like a totally different line.. Maybe these guys can actually block.

                              Last night we Ran the hurry up with the same young Receivers and the backup tight end and we got up and down the field... the only thing that changed was we actually blocked someone for once.... But okay.

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