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  • hawaiiansteel
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 35648

    Ben and Vick enjoying football renaissance

    Originally Published: December 14, 2010

    A tale of two troubled quarterbacks -
    Ben Roethlisberger and Michael Vick are leading parallel NFL lives this year


    By Gene Wojciechowski
    ESPN.com


    They are so different, their personal histories so starkly in contrast. One is black, born and raised in the crime-ridden, East End projects of Newport News, Va. The other is white, raised in the quiet, midwest town of Findlay, Ohio.

    And yet, Michael Vick and Ben Roethlisberger find themselves Velcro'd together by a series of coincidences, by personal and professional redemption and maybe -- just maybe -- by forgiveness.

    Both play quarterback for NFL teams in Pennsylvania. Both wear No. 7. Both have made nine starts this season and both have seven wins to show for them. Both have their teams atop their respective divisions.

    But it isn't just the present that binds Vick and Roethlisberger. It's their pasts and the transgressions they committed in those pasts.

    Vick served 18 months in federal prison for his prominent role in a dogfighting ring. It was a crime against innocents, and the public backlash was as strong as a garlic Altoid. For some (hello, Nils Lofgren), it remains that way.



    Michael Vick is a better quarterback than he was before his prison term. Is he a better man?

    Roethlisberger didn't serve jail time, but allegations of sexual assault led to a humiliating investigation by Georgia prosecutors. Criminal charges weren't filed, but that didn't stop NFL commissioner Roger Goodell from suspending the two-time Super Bowl champion for at least four games without pay, ordering a "comprehensive behavioral evaluation" and, in essence, subjecting him to a public intervention for his misconduct. He still faces a civil lawsuit over an earlier incident.

    And now here they are, their personal lives glued back together and their professional lives enjoying a football renaissance. Vick's Philadelphia Eagles are 9-4 and tied for the NFC East lead with the New York Giants. Roethlisberger's Pittsburgh Steelers are 10-3 and lead the AFC North.

    When the season began, Vick was nothing more than a backup to Kevin Kolb. He was destined for another year of Wildcat gimmickry and cooling his cleats on the sideline. He was a safety net, an afterthought.

    Meanwhile, Roethlisberger technically didn't exist to the Steelers. He couldn't practice with the team during his Goodell-imposed exile. It wasn't until Sept. 3, just nine days before the team's season opener, that he learned he'd make his 2010 regular season debut in the Oct. 17 home game against Cleveland.

    Vick and Roethlisberger are changed men. Vick lost his freedom, his fortune and his job with the Atlanta Falcons. Roethlisberger lost a reputation, his captaincy and a quarter of a season, as well as nearly $2 million.

    But are they changed for the better? Just because they're winning games doesn't automatically make them better people. And what if the Eagles and Steelers were in the dumper? Would the Dallas Cowboys' Tashard Choice still ask Vick to autograph a glove? Would Steelers fans feel the same way about Roethlisberger?

    Vick is definitely a better quarterback after nearly a four-year gap between NFL starts. He is more disciplined, more patient, more willing to work on his football flaws. And while it might sound simplistic, those are the same reasons I think Vick has become a better person.

    He had it all. And then he had nothing. Had he not changed -- and it's still an evolving process -- Vick would still have nothing. He wouldn't be earning rave reviews from his coaches, his teammates and even the federal judge who sentenced him to prison. He wouldn't be in the MVP discussion.



    Ben Roethlisberger appears to be smarter about his off-field behavior. Has he changed for good?

    Roethlisberger had those two Super Bowl rings, but there was also a contrail of troubling allegations and unflattering cell phone photos. He had lost touch with who he was and how he was raised.

    The Steelers kicked the tires on a trade but decided to stick with Roethlisberger. So did teammates such as Hines Ward, who, on the first day of practice at training camp, told Roethlisberger, "Let's walk out together." The gesture meant everything to the shamed quarterback.

    Roethlisberger has always been tough (he's playing with an injured foot and a surgically repaired nose behind a suspect offensive line), but he hasn't always been smart. He's smarter now, say those who know him, and wiser too.

    But this isn't about learning lessons. It's about learning respect. For animals. For women. For yourself.

    You can't do what Vick and Roethlisberger are doing without undergoing some sort of fundamental, inner self reckoning. You can't fake this sort of seismic change.

    They aren't perfect, but they're different from what they were. They're better people, better teammates and better role models. Not "Be Like Me" role models, but "Learn From My Mistakes" role models.

    We saw the rise of Vick and Roethlisberger. We saw the freefall. The crater marks they made when they landed were as wide as Heinz Field.

    If you believe in second chances, then it's OK to believe that Vick and Roethlisberger have taken advantage of their mulligans. It's OK to believe that football, friends, jail, suspensions and mentors can make a true difference.

    Most of us have forgiven them. But it's up to Vick and Roethlisberger, not us, to remember why there was a fall in the first place.

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  • Crash
    Legend
    • Apr 2009
    • 5008

    #2
    Re: Ben and Vick enjoying football renaissance

    Outrageous that Ben continues to be compared to that sadistic POS.

    No arrest, no probable cause, not one HINT that a rape occurred.

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    • Mister Pittsburgh
      Hall of Famer
      • Jul 2008
      • 3674

      #3
      Re: Ben and Vick enjoying football renaissance

      Ben will continue to be lumped in with him until he tells his side. I think things would of been different if he came out and told his side. He hasn't for what he said were 'legal' reasons. Only thing I can see in the 'legal' realm that would prevent him from stating his side would be a payoff. Sorry....glad the dude is our QB and don't think he is a rapist or something....but I feel that is the truth.
      @_Hellgrammite

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      • SidSmythe
        Hall of Famer
        • Sep 2008
        • 4708

        #4
        Re: Ben and Vick enjoying football renaissance

        I'm all for mercy
        Michael Vick did his time and Ben did his.
        If they screw up again, let them be punished accordingly.

        IF Not ... let them meet in the Superbowl for all I care.
        Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
        Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...
        Here We Go Steelers, Here We Go...!!!

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        • skyhawk
          Hall of Famer
          • Dec 2008
          • 3732

          #5
          Re: Ben and Vick enjoying football renaissance

          Originally posted by Mister Pittsburgh
          Ben will continue to be lumped in with him until he tells his side. I think things would of been different if he came out and told his side. He hasn't for what he said were 'legal' reasons. Only thing I can see in the 'legal' realm that would prevent him from stating his side would be a payoff. Sorry....glad the dude is our QB and don't think he is a rapist or something....but I feel that is the truth.
          He has publicly said that he would never hurt a woman in that way. Where is the video of the interview?

          What more do people want???

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          • Crash
            Legend
            • Apr 2009
            • 5008

            #6
            Re: Ben and Vick enjoying football renaissance

            No need to pay anyone off. The evidence backs his version of events.

            And, if he paid her off IMO the Rooney's would have dumped him.

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            • Steelers>NFL
              Backup
              • May 2010
              • 488

              #7
              Re: Ben and Vick enjoying football renaissance

              I keep saying to everyone at work here, what the NFL does NOT want to see is
              Vick vs. Ben in the Super Bowl. The BadBoys on the biggest stage in the world.
              Would be great story though.

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              • siss
                Backup
                • May 2010
                • 289

                #8
                Re: Ben and Vick enjoying football renaissance

                They would call it the redemption bowl.

                The difference between Ben and Vick is that, Vick was arrested, had evidence against him, was found guilty and sentenced by a judge.
                Ben was convicted by the local media and long unproven 3rd hand rumors.

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                • SteelCrazy
                  Legend
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 5049

                  #9
                  Re: Ben and Vick enjoying football renaissance

                  Whether or not he did anything wrong is now irrelevant. He put himself in that situation regardless of the actions that followed and he has come to terms with that and some of you need to as well.

                  All he can do is become the person he promised he would be and he is off to a great start. I didn't like the comparison to Vick either, but this article is one of many that is going to be written as long as they continue to win. If they meet in Dallas, some of you will need to turn off the internet for a while.
                  2019 Mock

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                  • Crash
                    Legend
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 5008

                    #10
                    Re: Ben and Vick enjoying football renaissance

                    Whether or not he did anything wrong is now irrelevant. He put himself in that situation regardless of the actions that followed and he has come to terms with that and some of you need to as well.
                    I'll stick to innocent until proven guilty.

                    Btw, you did see Perrish Cox was allowed to play Sunday, right?

                    Where was Goodell?

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                    • Mister Pittsburgh
                      Hall of Famer
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 3674

                      #11
                      Re: Ben and Vick enjoying football renaissance

                      Originally posted by skyhawk
                      Originally posted by Mister Pittsburgh
                      Ben will continue to be lumped in with him until he tells his side. I think things would of been different if he came out and told his side. He hasn't for what he said were 'legal' reasons. Only thing I can see in the 'legal' realm that would prevent him from stating his side would be a payoff. Sorry....glad the dude is our QB and don't think he is a rapist or something....but I feel that is the truth.
                      He has publicly said that he would never hurt a woman in that way. Where is the video of the interview?

                      What more do people want???
                      I forget what video it was but pretty sure it was some sort of sit down with Bob Pompeani and he said he couldn't tell his side of the story for legal reasons.
                      @_Hellgrammite

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                      • Crash
                        Legend
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 5008

                        #12
                        Re: Ben and Vick enjoying football renaissance

                        Legal reasons being Reno.

                        But he also said he has never harmed a women and basically called Miss DTF a liar in a recent interview.

                        That would not be occurring if he paid her off. Which he did not.

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                        • Mister Pittsburgh
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 3674

                          #13
                          Re: Ben and Vick enjoying football renaissance

                          Originally posted by Crash
                          Legal reasons being Reno.

                          But he also said he has never harmed a women and basically called Miss DTF a liar in a recent interview.

                          That would not be occurring if he paid her off. Which he did not.

                          To tell you the truth, I completely forgot the Reno case was still going on. Holy crap. That seems like about as open & shut case of mony grubbing female that could be.

                          I hope he didn't pay that chick off. I hope none of these chicks, if telling lies, ever gets a dime.
                          @_Hellgrammite

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                          • Crash
                            Legend
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 5008

                            #14
                            Re: Ben and Vick enjoying football renaissance

                            He paid no one off. The Reno case is officially closed pending location determination. It has dragged on so much that McNulty sued Harrah's again.

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                            • sd steel
                              Starter
                              • May 2008
                              • 912

                              #15
                              Re: Ben and Vick enjoying football renaissance

                              Originally posted by Crash
                              He paid no one off. The Reno case is officially closed pending location determination. It has dragged on so much that McNulty sued Harrah's again.

                              And if it was Ray Lewis instead of Ben you would being saying the same thing....and if Ben held dog fights it would really be that big of a deal?? I own a beautiful Pit Bull, and I love her like a part of the family, but it's a dog. But if a guy assaulted my sister or daughter I would kill him. Society is seriously screwed up. Maybe I'm part of it, because I love my dog, but in many parts of the world it's OK to eat them, and I think it has been a proven fact that Ben has been more than just an A-hole with some of his stupid stunts. Worst case scenario he banged a really ugly whore in Reno....but he stiffed her on the bill. "Drink my shots you bitches"???? That's a guy I want representing my hundred million dollar franchise.

                              Crash you are seriously an idiot.

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