For my fellow draft talk guru's

[StarSpangledSteeler]

Re: For my fellow draft talk guru's

Scott, Scott, Hills, Foster, Adams, Colon, Starks, Essex and whoever I'm forgetting are all tackles.
the only Guard we have on the team is Kemo.
how can a "slow average tackle" be a decent guard? am i missing something?
btw, you're assessment of Colon.. he may or may not come back from the achilles injury, but he's far from average when healthy. myself I think we let him go anyway, maybe draft a guy in the third or fourth round to learn from Adams.
1st we take a Guard
2nd we take a DL
3rd I personally think we'll take a safety. just a hunch
4th, yea, i'd be willing to go tackle here.

in this upcoming draft, which guards exactly are you recommending? Besides Pouncey? What if Pouncey is gone when we draft? Which other guards are you so adimately recommending that warrant a first round grade?

Also, what traits specifically are you talking about that a guard must possess that a tackle does not possess? Tell me why it is specifically that a tackle CANNOT play guard?

so slow tree trunk tackle playing guard is your advice... hahahhaha
Pouncey, if available from 25-32 is our pick.
and all i have to do is watch gamefilm. unless you think our garbage guards this season are up to snuff, there is more than evidence right there.
you're probably one of those guys that wants to move colon to guard too.
tackle is, at best, 3rd in priority for us.
some of you people make me laugh. thinking you can just plug guys in wherever. but then y'all pi$$ and moan about how crappy they play. it's humorous.

Don't get defensive. I'm not getting personal. This is a forum and I'm just asking you a few simple questions. You seem pretty adimate about your opinion I'd like to know your thoughts:

In this upcoming draft, which guards exactly are you recommending? Besides Pouncey? What if Pouncey is gone when we draft? Which other guards are you so adimately recommending that warrant a first round grade?

Also, what traits specifically are you talking about that a guard must possess that a tackle does not possess? Tell me why it is specifically that a tackle CANNOT play guard?

[grotonsteel]

Re: For my fellow draft talk guru's

Scott, Scott, Hills, Foster, Adams, Colon, Starks, Essex and whoever I'm forgetting are all tackles.
the only Guard we have on the team is Kemo.
how can a "slow average tackle" be a decent guard? am i missing something?
btw, you're assessment of Colon.. he may or may not come back from the achilles injury, but he's far from average when healthy. myself I think we let him go anyway, maybe draft a guy in the third or fourth round to learn from Adams.
1st we take a Guard
2nd we take a DL
3rd I personally think we'll take a safety. just a hunch
4th, yea, i'd be willing to go tackle here.

I would put Foster and Doug as OG. Draft an OG in Rd 2-3.
bad idea. why not keep Kemo there? he is after all, the only natural guard we have on the team.
How many Tackles Steelers have drafted in First 3 Rds since 2005???
none. how many would you have drafter? i would say zero...
Willie Colon is a pro bowl tackle????? hahahaha... He is a mauler who can't pass protect,miss assignments more often than not and ofcourse have few false start each game...Willie Colon is your typical average slow feet Tackle.
did i say he was a pro bowl caliber guy? can you read? or does $hit always come out your mouth? i said your assessment was not accurate. he's better than you give him credit for. i also said we'd probably let him go, considering that he's a FA and he's coming off an injury... trying to figure out your point. maybe you're just stupid?

So you are okay drafting slow feet, tree trunk tackles?? Thats what you gonna get in Rd3- Rd 4 more often than not. Best case scenario another Willie Colon or Max Starks clone. About time Steelers look for tackles who are pro in pass-protections and have great footwork.
there isn't a LT that is worth anything in the second half of the first round. If we draft a tackle in the first, it just means that we have to move a slow, tree trunk tackle to guard. a position that requires things such as pulling. another bad idea. unless of course, you like not being able to block the opposing team.

There are big question marks over MAx Starks health too.....and what is the probability Steelers are going to extend Willie Colon and Max Starks???
max doesn't need extended, he just was. again I refer to the reading portion of my earlier comment. I specifically said that I think we let him walk.

Steelers don't have any OT after 2012 on current roster. Unless you think Essex, Scott and Hills are doing fine and should be starters at OT position.
i think developing your young talent is something we need to do. we fail at this because we move them to positions that they do not naturally play. example is Foster... a natural tackle who has been playing guard. this is, once again, stupid.
Maybe Chris Scott is the Orlando Pace mold OT.
probably not. though, maybe you can work a trade to get into the top 5-10 picks to get him. which is the height of stupidity.

Again i am not against drafting Pouncey if he is the BPA but if there is an OT or DB with equal grade as Pouncey then i want Steelers to draft OT/DB first.
This is the onlything you said that made any sense. even if you didn't say anything about Pouncey. I have repeatedly said, that if Pouncy is no there then, we will look at another position. I personally think that with Aaron Smith age and Injury history, Brett kiesels age and big snacks age, our #2 priority should be DL. I like our youth at CB, though i feel we NEED to extend Ike. If not, we may need to draft a corner. keep Ike and we won't have to.

I will value an OT > DB > OG. Maybe its just me.
My priority is OG>DL>DB (both safety and corner)>OT

Dude why are you getting so pi$$ed off?? I am throwing out few points. If you don't like it so be it. No need to call names out.

I did not mention Kemo because you already said Kemo is an OG. I was saying Foster and Doug are OG too on the roster.

So you let Starks and Colon walk and you want to draft an OT in Rd 4 and develop him? Wow. You get career backup Tackles in Rd 4 more often than not.

Also why do you think Foster is a better Tackle than Guard? Don't you think its similar to people claiming Colon is a better OG than an OT??

BTW i have never said move Colon to OG position.

You draft an OT early and develop him to be your future pro-bowl OT. You don't need to draft in Top-5 to get a great LT. I am also not saying draft an OT and make him play OG. Steelers don't have a single OT who can be a starter come 2012. Either you draft them in early rounds and develop them now or throw money in FA which is not Steelers way.

I am glad Steelers FO don't think like you. They never go in a draft thinking no matter what i am going to draft OG in Rd 1 and Mike Pouncey is the pick.

[Mister Pittsburgh]

Re: For my fellow draft talk guru's

I want stout, mobile OT's that are very strong at the point of attack. I think the type of tackle I want is a little undersized, which would drop them in the draft, but very strong and mobile.

[Oviedo]

Re: For my fellow draft talk guru's

Scott, Scott, Hills, Foster, Adams, Colon, Starks, Essex and whoever I'm forgetting are all tackles.
the only Guard we have on the team is Kemo.
how can a "slow average tackle" be a decent guard? am i missing something?
btw, you're assessment of Colon.. he may or may not come back from the achilles injury, but he's far from average when healthy. myself I think we let him go anyway, maybe draft a guy in the third or fourth round to learn from Adams.
1st we take a Guard
2nd we take a DL
3rd I personally think we'll take a safety. just a hunch
4th, yea, i'd be willing to go tackle here.

I would put Foster and Doug as OG. Draft an OG in Rd 2-3.
bad idea. why not keep Kemo there? he is after all, the only natural guard we have on the team.
How many Tackles Steelers have drafted in First 3 Rds since 2005???
none. how many would you have drafter? i would say zero...
Willie Colon is a pro bowl tackle????? hahahaha... He is a mauler who can't pass protect,miss assignments more often than not and ofcourse have few false start each game...Willie Colon is your typical average slow feet Tackle.
did i say he was a pro bowl caliber guy? can you read? or does $hit always come out your mouth? i said your assessment was not accurate. he's better than you give him credit for. i also said we'd probably let him go, considering that he's a FA and he's coming off an injury... trying to figure out your point. maybe you're just stupid?

So you are okay drafting slow feet, tree trunk tackles?? Thats what you gonna get in Rd3- Rd 4 more often than not. Best case scenario another Willie Colon or Max Starks clone. About time Steelers look for tackles who are pro in pass-protections and have great footwork.
there isn't a LT that is worth anything in the second half of the first round. If we draft a tackle in the first, it just means that we have to move a slow, tree trunk tackle to guard. a position that requires things such as pulling. another bad idea. unless of course, you like not being able to block the opposing team.

There are big question marks over MAx Starks health too.....and what is the probability Steelers are going to extend Willie Colon and Max Starks???
max doesn't need extended, he just was. again I refer to the reading portion of my earlier comment. I specifically said that I think we let him walk.

Steelers don't have any OT after 2012 on current roster. Unless you think Essex, Scott and Hills are doing fine and should be starters at OT position.
i think developing your young talent is something we need to do. we fail at this because we move them to positions that they do not naturally play. example is Foster... a natural tackle who has been playing guard. this is, once again, stupid.
Maybe Chris Scott is the Orlando Pace mold OT.
probably not. though, maybe you can work a trade to get into the top 5-10 picks to get him. which is the height of stupidity.

Again i am not against drafting Pouncey if he is the BPA but if there is an OT or DB with equal grade as Pouncey then i want Steelers to draft OT/DB first.
This is the onlything you said that made any sense. even if you didn't say anything about Pouncey. I have repeatedly said, that if Pouncy is no there then, we will look at another position. I personally think that with Aaron Smith age and Injury history, Brett kiesels age and big snacks age, our #2 priority should be DL. I like our youth at CB, though i feel we NEED to extend Ike. If not, we may need to draft a corner. keep Ike and we won't have to.

I will value an OT > DB > OG. Maybe its just me.
My priority is OG>DL>DB (both safety and corner)>OT

Dude why are you getting so pi$$ed off?? I am throwing out few points. If you don't like it so be it. No need to call names out.

I did not mention Kemo because you already said Kemo is an OG. I was saying Foster and Doug are OG too on the roster.

So you let Starks and Colon walk and you want to draft an OT in Rd 4 and develop him? Wow. You get career backup Tackles in Rd 4 more often than not.

Also why do you think Foster is a better Tackle than Guard? Don't you think its similar to people claiming Colon is a better OG than an OT??

BTW i have never said move Colon to OG position.

You draft an OT early and develop him to be your future pro-bowl OT. You don't need to draft in Top-5 to get a great LT. I am also not saying draft an OT and make him play OG. Steelers don't have a single OT who can be a starter come 2012. Either you draft them in early rounds and develop them now or throw money in FA which is not Steelers way.

I am glad Steelers FO don't think like you. They never go in a draft thinking no matter what i am going to draft OG in Rd 1 and Mike Pouncey is the pick.

You may not need to draft a OT in the Top 5 to get a great one but you pretty much need to get them in the Top 10. The Steelers OT issue is a direct result of their success and how low they pick every year. In the range we typically pick you get very good Guards and Centers (Pouncey) but you don't get very good Pro Bowl type OTs. That position is one of the premium

If any one is still a Starks hater they haven't been paying attention to current events. Starks may never make the Pro Bowl but he is a good solid LT which is about as good as we are going to get unless we string a couple of 4-12 seasons together to get Top 10 draft picks.

[grotonsteel]

Re: For my fellow draft talk guru's

Scott, Scott, Hills, Foster, Adams, Colon, Starks, Essex and whoever I'm forgetting are all tackles.
the only Guard we have on the team is Kemo.
how can a "slow average tackle" be a decent guard? am i missing something?
btw, you're assessment of Colon.. he may or may not come back from the achilles injury, but he's far from average when healthy. myself I think we let him go anyway, maybe draft a guy in the third or fourth round to learn from Adams.
1st we take a Guard
2nd we take a DL
3rd I personally think we'll take a safety. just a hunch
4th, yea, i'd be willing to go tackle here.

I would put Foster and Doug as OG. Draft an OG in Rd 2-3.
bad idea. why not keep Kemo there? he is after all, the only natural guard we have on the team.
How many Tackles Steelers have drafted in First 3 Rds since 2005???
none. how many would you have drafter? i would say zero...
Willie Colon is a pro bowl tackle????? hahahaha... He is a mauler who can't pass protect,miss assignments more often than not and ofcourse have few false start each game...Willie Colon is your typical average slow feet Tackle.
did i say he was a pro bowl caliber guy? can you read? or does $hit always come out your mouth? i said your assessment was not accurate. he's better than you give him credit for. i also said we'd probably let him go, considering that he's a FA and he's coming off an injury... trying to figure out your point. maybe you're just stupid?

So you are okay drafting slow feet, tree trunk tackles?? Thats what you gonna get in Rd3- Rd 4 more often than not. Best case scenario another Willie Colon or Max Starks clone. About time Steelers look for tackles who are pro in pass-protections and have great footwork.
there isn't a LT that is worth anything in the second half of the first round. If we draft a tackle in the first, it just means that we have to move a slow, tree trunk tackle to guard. a position that requires things such as pulling. another bad idea. unless of course, you like not being able to block the opposing team.

There are big question marks over MAx Starks health too.....and what is the probability Steelers are going to extend Willie Colon and Max Starks???
max doesn't need extended, he just was. again I refer to the reading portion of my earlier comment. I specifically said that I think we let him walk.

Steelers don't have any OT after 2012 on current roster. Unless you think Essex, Scott and Hills are doing fine and should be starters at OT position.
i think developing your young talent is something we need to do. we fail at this because we move them to positions that they do not naturally play. example is Foster... a natural tackle who has been playing guard. this is, once again, stupid.
Maybe Chris Scott is the Orlando Pace mold OT.
probably not. though, maybe you can work a trade to get into the top 5-10 picks to get him. which is the height of stupidity.

Again i am not against drafting Pouncey if he is the BPA but if there is an OT or DB with equal grade as Pouncey then i want Steelers to draft OT/DB first.
This is the onlything you said that made any sense. even if you didn't say anything about Pouncey. I have repeatedly said, that if Pouncy is no there then, we will look at another position. I personally think that with Aaron Smith age and Injury history, Brett kiesels age and big snacks age, our #2 priority should be DL. I like our youth at CB, though i feel we NEED to extend Ike. If not, we may need to draft a corner. keep Ike and we won't have to.

I will value an OT > DB > OG. Maybe its just me.
My priority is OG>DL>DB (both safety and corner)>OT

Dude why are you getting so pi$$ed off?? I am throwing out few points. If you don't like it so be it. No need to call names out.

I did not mention Kemo because you already said Kemo is an OG. I was saying Foster and Doug are OG too on the roster.

So you let Starks and Colon walk and you want to draft an OT in Rd 4 and develop him? Wow. You get career backup Tackles in Rd 4 more often than not.

Also why do you think Foster is a better Tackle than Guard? Don't you think its similar to people claiming Colon is a better OG than an OT??

BTW i have never said move Colon to OG position.

You draft an OT early and develop him to be your future pro-bowl OT. You don't need to draft in Top-5 to get a great LT. I am also not saying draft an OT and make him play OG. Steelers don't have a single OT who can be a starter come 2012. Either you draft them in early rounds and develop them now or throw money in FA which is not Steelers way.

I am glad Steelers FO don't think like you. They never go in a draft thinking no matter what i am going to draft OG in Rd 1 and Mike Pouncey is the pick.

You may not need to draft a OT in the Top 5 to get a great one but you pretty much need to get them in the Top 10. The Steelers OT issue is a direct result of their success and how low they pick every year. In the range we typically pick you get very good Guards and Centers (Pouncey) but you don't get very good Pro Bowl type OTs. That position is one of the premium

If any one is still a Starks hater they haven't been paying attention to current events. Starks may never make the Pro Bowl but he is a good solid LT which is about as good as we are going to get unless we string a couple of 4-12 seasons together to get Top 10 draft picks.

I am not sure about others but i don't hate Starks. But after neck injury i am not sure Steelers are going to extend him after 2012. He will be 30 years old in 2012. He very well could become another Marvel Smith.

More often than not Steelers are going to draft Late in Rd 1. Steelers can't keep avoiding tackle or Defensive back position just because Steelers draft late in Rd 1. Steelers will have to find themselves players like McNeil or Saffold.

[steelerkeylargo]

Re: For my fellow draft talk guru's

Quality OT's not taken in the top 25 picks


Phil Loadholt 2/54
Marcus McNeil 2/50
Andrew Whitworth 2/55
Eric Winston 3/66
Michael Roos 2/41
Max Starks 3/75
Matt Light 2/48
Marvel Smith 2/38
Chad Clifton 2/44
Mark Tauscher 7/224
Donald Penn undrafted
Roger Saffold 2/33

[birtikidis]

Re: For my fellow draft talk guru's

Scott, Scott, Hills, Foster, Adams, Colon, Starks, Essex and whoever I'm forgetting are all tackles.
the only Guard we have on the team is Kemo.
how can a "slow average tackle" be a decent guard? am i missing something?
btw, you're assessment of Colon.. he may or may not come back from the achilles injury, but he's far from average when healthy. myself I think we let him go anyway, maybe draft a guy in the third or fourth round to learn from Adams.
1st we take a Guard
2nd we take a DL
3rd I personally think we'll take a safety. just a hunch
4th, yea, i'd be willing to go tackle here.

I would put Foster and Doug as OG. Draft an OG in Rd 2-3.
bad idea. why not keep Kemo there? he is after all, the only natural guard we have on the team.
How many Tackles Steelers have drafted in First 3 Rds since 2005???
none. how many would you have drafter? i would say zero...
Willie Colon is a pro bowl tackle????? hahahaha... He is a mauler who can't pass protect,miss assignments more often than not and ofcourse have few false start each game...Willie Colon is your typical average slow feet Tackle.
did i say he was a pro bowl caliber guy? can you read? or does $hit always come out your mouth? i said your assessment was not accurate. he's better than you give him credit for. i also said we'd probably let him go, considering that he's a FA and he's coming off an injury... trying to figure out your point. maybe you're just stupid?

So you are okay drafting slow feet, tree trunk tackles?? Thats what you gonna get in Rd3- Rd 4 more often than not. Best case scenario another Willie Colon or Max Starks clone. About time Steelers look for tackles who are pro in pass-protections and have great footwork.
there isn't a LT that is worth anything in the second half of the first round. If we draft a tackle in the first, it just means that we have to move a slow, tree trunk tackle to guard. a position that requires things such as pulling. another bad idea. unless of course, you like not being able to block the opposing team.

There are big question marks over MAx Starks health too.....and what is the probability Steelers are going to extend Willie Colon and Max Starks???
max doesn't need extended, he just was. again I refer to the reading portion of my earlier comment. I specifically said that I think we let him walk.

Steelers don't have any OT after 2012 on current roster. Unless you think Essex, Scott and Hills are doing fine and should be starters at OT position.
i think developing your young talent is something we need to do. we fail at this because we move them to positions that they do not naturally play. example is Foster... a natural tackle who has been playing guard. this is, once again, stupid.
Maybe Chris Scott is the Orlando Pace mold OT.
probably not. though, maybe you can work a trade to get into the top 5-10 picks to get him. which is the height of stupidity.

Again i am not against drafting Pouncey if he is the BPA but if there is an OT or DB with equal grade as Pouncey then i want Steelers to draft OT/DB first.
This is the onlything you said that made any sense. even if you didn't say anything about Pouncey. I have repeatedly said, that if Pouncy is no there then, we will look at another position. I personally think that with Aaron Smith age and Injury history, Brett kiesels age and big snacks age, our #2 priority should be DL. I like our youth at CB, though i feel we NEED to extend Ike. If not, we may need to draft a corner. keep Ike and we won't have to.

I will value an OT > DB > OG. Maybe its just me.
My priority is OG>DL>DB (both safety and corner)>OT

Dude why are you getting so pi$$ed off?? I am throwing out few points. If you don't like it so be it. No need to call names out.
because you can't read.
I did not mention Kemo because you already said Kemo is an OG. I was saying Foster and Doug are OG too on the roster.
ok, my bad. Doug and Foster may be listed as guards, but that isn't their natural positions. Doug is a center, Foster is a tackle.
So you let Starks and Colon walk and you want to draft an OT in Rd 4 and develop him? Wow. You get career backup Tackles in Rd 4 more often than not.
wow I said let Starks walk? the guy that is one of my favorite players on the team? the same one that I defend all the time? news to me.
Also why do you think Foster is a better Tackle than Guard? Don't you think its similar to people claiming Colon is a better OG than an OT??
umm because Foster has played tackle his entire life and has only been playing guard for the last 2 years due to... whatever genius decided to put him there.
BTW i have never said move Colon to OG position.
didn't say you did.
You draft an OT early and develop him to be your future pro-bowl OT. You don't need to draft in Top-5 to get a great LT. I am also not saying draft an OT and make him play OG. Steelers don't have a single OT who can be a starter come 2012. Either you draft them in early rounds and develop them now or throw money in FA which is not Steelers way.
very few franchise quality tackles are drafted in the bottom half of the first round. for every loadholt you get a jermaine stephens

I am glad Steelers FO don't think like you. They never go in a draft thinking no matter what i am going to draft OG in Rd 1 and Mike Pouncey is the pick.
again, you're reading is poor. you remind me of a joke.. "why'd the woman leave her boyfriend after he got her name tatooed on his prick.. because he kept putting words in her mouth.

I'm sorry I just get annoyed when people talk out their a$$ or when they can't read. sorry, it's just me.

[birtikidis]

Re: For my fellow draft talk guru's

Quality OT's not taken in the top 25 picks


Phil Loadholt 2/54
Marcus McNeil 2/50
Andrew Whitworth 2/55
Eric Winston 3/66
Michael Roos 2/41
Max Starks 3/75
Matt Light 2/48
Marvel Smith 2/38
Chad Clifton 2/44
Mark Tauscher 7/224
Donald Penn undrafted
Roger Saffold 2/33

good stuff. proves you can take guys in later rounds. I just don't want to reach for another Jemaine Stephens. guess people can't realize that.

[birtikidis]

Re: For my fellow draft talk guru's

Scott, Scott, Hills, Foster, Adams, Colon, Starks, Essex and whoever I'm forgetting are all tackles.
the only Guard we have on the team is Kemo.
how can a "slow average tackle" be a decent guard? am i missing something?
btw, you're assessment of Colon.. he may or may not come back from the achilles injury, but he's far from average when healthy. myself I think we let him go anyway, maybe draft a guy in the third or fourth round to learn from Adams.
1st we take a Guard
2nd we take a DL
3rd I personally think we'll take a safety. just a hunch
4th, yea, i'd be willing to go tackle here.

in this upcoming draft, which guards exactly are you recommending? Besides Pouncey? What if Pouncey is gone when we draft? Which other guards are you so adimately recommending that warrant a first round grade?

Also, what traits specifically are you talking about that a guard must possess that a tackle does not possess? Tell me why it is specifically that a tackle CANNOT play guard?

so slow tree trunk tackle playing guard is your advice... hahahhaha
Pouncey, if available from 25-32 is our pick.
and all i have to do is watch gamefilm. unless you think our garbage guards this season are up to snuff, there is more than evidence right there.
you're probably one of those guys that wants to move colon to guard too.
tackle is, at best, 3rd in priority for us.
some of you people make me laugh. thinking you can just plug guys in wherever. but then y'all pi$$ and moan about how crappy they play. it's humorous.

Don't get defensive. I'm not getting personal. This is a forum and I'm just asking you a few simple questions. You seem pretty adimate about your opinion I'd like to know your thoughts:

In this upcoming draft, which guards exactly are you recommending? Besides Pouncey? What if Pouncey is gone when we draft? Which other guards are you so adimately recommending that warrant a first round grade?

Also, what traits specifically are you talking about that a guard must possess that a tackle does not possess? Tell me why it is specifically that a tackle CANNOT play guard?

I'm not defensive, just tired of repeating myself.
I can't remember saying draft pouncey at all cost. i said if he's available 25-32 he's our pick. i guess i was ambiguous when i said that. I feel we will be drafting in that range. if we pick between 25-32 and he's at our spot, we have to take him. If he's not there, and there isn't a DL we want, I think we should drop a few spots and take Wiesnewski. Unless a tackle drops, I don't think we need to draft one. and it'd have to be a no brainer pick, like mendenhall was.
All of our tackles (even the ones playing guard) are slow and bulky. have you seen them try to pull? it's pathetic. Our center is the quickest guy on the line. the vast majority of tackles cannot pull effectively and are not nearly as quick/nimble as a guy who is a natural guard. I can only think of 1 or 2 tackles that moved inside and were good guards.