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  • eniparadoxgma
    Pro Bowler
    • May 2008
    • 2193

    #16
    Re: Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

    Originally posted by NWNewell
    As an engineer, few things irritate me more than the mis-use of statistics. Love to see statistics out of context (sense the sarcasim).

    People shouldn't give a crap about the completion percentage. What I worry about most, after points/game, is the yards/attempt. How well do they move the ball when they try to pass? If opponents completed 100% of their passes for only 3yds/attempt, they would be looking at 4th and 1 a lot (extreme example). Our defenses completion percentage may look terrible, but our yards/attempt is not too bad (6.8yds/att = ranked 15th). And even that is a little inflated because we've played with a two possession lead quite often and used prevent to ensure that the opponents would take a long time to score and not have enough time to sustain multiple long scoring drives. Hence, why our 4th quarter completion percentage is ~70%.

    Now, I'm not saying that our pass defense has been stellar, it has not. But it's no where near as dire as these hand plucked individual stats portray it to be.

    I'm a little concerned about Brees and the Saints. But only if Brees and the Saints are patient and are capable of playing a savvy finesse short yardage passing game. I have my doubts about that. Most of Brees yards and TD's come from the big play. I think Brees will try to go for the big play too often and that will be the Saints downfall (if our secondary stays disciplined and doesn't become impatient themselves, trying to jump the short yardage routes and get burned deep).

    Our defense emphasizes stopping the run, deep passes, and yards after the catch, forcing them to sustain long drives and earn their points through many short yardage pass completions. If out league leading 13.7pt/g (leading by nearly 3pt/g) demonstrates anything, it's that this is a tough way to put points on the board. Every year people criticize our pass defense (except 200. But it is nearly impossible to play lights out against both the run and the pass at the same time. DL has schemed a great way to shut down the run while at the same time managing the pass defense in a way that make's it difficult to put points on the board. Since DL has been with the Steelers in 2004, the Steelers have averaged 16.6pt/g and had the number 1 ranked scoring defense four times. I don't think you will fined another defense that has performed better over the past seven years. (Baltimore has averaged 17.4 and was ranked 1st once) Oh, and by the way... Our amazing 2008 defensive effort that had us #1 across the board (rushing, passing, overall, scoring), well, we averaged 13.9pt/g. So far, the end result of this years efforts have been better than in 2008.

    When are Steelers fans going to learn the ingenious of DL scheme and stop listening to inflammatory media snippets and out of context statistics. I thought Steeler Nation had a better football IQ than that.
    Great post, NWN!
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    • Dee Dub
      Hall of Famer
      • Jan 2010
      • 4652

      #17
      Re: Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

      Originally posted by NWNewell
      As an engineer, few things irritate me more than the mis-use of statistics. Love to see statistics out of context (sense the sarcasim).

      People shouldn't give a crap about the completion percentage. What I worry about most, after points/game, is the yards/attempt. How well do they move the ball when they try to pass? If opponents completed 100% of their passes for only 3yds/attempt, they would be looking at 4th and 1 a lot (extreme example). Our defenses completion percentage may look terrible, but our yards/attempt is not too bad (6.8yds/att = ranked 15th). And even that is a little inflated because we've played with a two possession lead quite often and used prevent to ensure that the opponents would take a long time to score and not have enough time to sustain multiple long scoring drives. Hence, why our 4th quarter completion percentage is ~70%.

      Now, I'm not saying that our pass defense has been stellar, it has not. But it's no where near as dire as these hand plucked individual stats portray it to be.

      I'm a little concerned about Brees and the Saints. But only if Brees and the Saints are patient and are capable of playing a savvy finesse short yardage passing game. I have my doubts about that. Most of Brees yards and TD's come from the big play. I think Brees will try to go for the big play too often and that will be the Saints downfall (if our secondary stays disciplined and doesn't become impatient themselves, trying to jump the short yardage routes and get burned deep).

      Our defense emphasizes stopping the run, deep passes, and yards after the catch, forcing them to sustain long drives and earn their points through many short yardage pass completions. If out league leading 13.7pt/g (leading by nearly 3pt/g) demonstrates anything, it's that this is a tough way to put points on the board. Every year people criticize our pass defense (except 200. But it is nearly impossible to play lights out against both the run and the pass at the same time. DL has schemed a great way to shut down the run while at the same time managing the pass defense in a way that make's it difficult to put points on the board. Since DL has been with the Steelers in 2004, the Steelers have averaged 16.6pt/g and had the number 1 ranked scoring defense four times. I don't think you will fined another defense that has performed better over the past seven years. (Baltimore has averaged 17.4 and was ranked 1st once) Oh, and by the way... Our amazing 2008 defensive effort that had us #1 across the board (rushing, passing, overall, scoring), well, we averaged 13.9pt/g. So far, the end result of this years efforts have been better than in 2008.

      When are Steelers fans going to learn the ingenious of DL scheme and stop listening to inflammatory media snippets and out of context statistics. I thought Steeler Nation had a better football IQ than that.
      If you dont think this completion percentages wont mean something down the road when the Steelers face playoff teams like the Colts, Patriots, Jets, etc., then you are crazy.

      You are right, this stat doesn't mean a whole lot when you are playing Tampa Bay, Cleveland, and Tennessee. But those higher echelon teams will get the ball into the end zone. You better believe that.
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      • skyhawk
        Hall of Famer
        • Dec 2008
        • 3732

        #18
        Re: Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

        Originally posted by eniparadoxgma
        Originally posted by NWNewell
        As an engineer, few things irritate me more than the mis-use of statistics. Love to see statistics out of context (sense the sarcasim).

        People shouldn't give a crap about the completion percentage. What I worry about most, after points/game, is the yards/attempt. How well do they move the ball when they try to pass? If opponents completed 100% of their passes for only 3yds/attempt, they would be looking at 4th and 1 a lot (extreme example). Our defenses completion percentage may look terrible, but our yards/attempt is not too bad (6.8yds/att = ranked 15th). And even that is a little inflated because we've played with a two possession lead quite often and used prevent to ensure that the opponents would take a long time to score and not have enough time to sustain multiple long scoring drives. Hence, why our 4th quarter completion percentage is ~70%.

        Now, I'm not saying that our pass defense has been stellar, it has not. But it's no where near as dire as these hand plucked individual stats portray it to be.

        I'm a little concerned about Brees and the Saints. But only if Brees and the Saints are patient and are capable of playing a savvy finesse short yardage passing game. I have my doubts about that. Most of Brees yards and TD's come from the big play. I think Brees will try to go for the big play too often and that will be the Saints downfall (if our secondary stays disciplined and doesn't become impatient themselves, trying to jump the short yardage routes and get burned deep).

        Our defense emphasizes stopping the run, deep passes, and yards after the catch, forcing them to sustain long drives and earn their points through many short yardage pass completions. If out league leading 13.7pt/g (leading by nearly 3pt/g) demonstrates anything, it's that this is a tough way to put points on the board. Every year people criticize our pass defense (except 200. But it is nearly impossible to play lights out against both the run and the pass at the same time. DL has schemed a great way to shut down the run while at the same time managing the pass defense in a way that make's it difficult to put points on the board. Since DL has been with the Steelers in 2004, the Steelers have averaged 16.6pt/g and had the number 1 ranked scoring defense four times. I don't think you will fined another defense that has performed better over the past seven years. (Baltimore has averaged 17.4 and was ranked 1st once) Oh, and by the way... Our amazing 2008 defensive effort that had us #1 across the board (rushing, passing, overall, scoring), well, we averaged 13.9pt/g. So far, the end result of this years efforts have been better than in 2008.

        When are Steelers fans going to learn the ingenious of DL scheme and stop listening to inflammatory media snippets and out of context statistics. I thought Steeler Nation had a better football IQ than that.
        Great post, NWN!
        Perfect post!! EXCEPT the Steelers didn't lead the league across the board. The Vikes led the league in the rushing category! It was 80.2-76.9.

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        • feltdizz
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 27531

          #19
          Re: Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

          Originally posted by Dee Dub
          Originally posted by NWNewell
          As an engineer, few things irritate me more than the mis-use of statistics. Love to see statistics out of context (sense the sarcasim).

          People shouldn't give a crap about the completion percentage. What I worry about most, after points/game, is the yards/attempt. How well do they move the ball when they try to pass? If opponents completed 100% of their passes for only 3yds/attempt, they would be looking at 4th and 1 a lot (extreme example). Our defenses completion percentage may look terrible, but our yards/attempt is not too bad (6.8yds/att = ranked 15th). And even that is a little inflated because we've played with a two possession lead quite often and used prevent to ensure that the opponents would take a long time to score and not have enough time to sustain multiple long scoring drives. Hence, why our 4th quarter completion percentage is ~70%.

          Now, I'm not saying that our pass defense has been stellar, it has not. But it's no where near as dire as these hand plucked individual stats portray it to be.

          I'm a little concerned about Brees and the Saints. But only if Brees and the Saints are patient and are capable of playing a savvy finesse short yardage passing game. I have my doubts about that. Most of Brees yards and TD's come from the big play. I think Brees will try to go for the big play too often and that will be the Saints downfall (if our secondary stays disciplined and doesn't become impatient themselves, trying to jump the short yardage routes and get burned deep).

          Our defense emphasizes stopping the run, deep passes, and yards after the catch, forcing them to sustain long drives and earn their points through many short yardage pass completions. If out league leading 13.7pt/g (leading by nearly 3pt/g) demonstrates anything, it's that this is a tough way to put points on the board. Every year people criticize our pass defense (except 200. But it is nearly impossible to play lights out against both the run and the pass at the same time. DL has schemed a great way to shut down the run while at the same time managing the pass defense in a way that make's it difficult to put points on the board. Since DL has been with the Steelers in 2004, the Steelers have averaged 16.6pt/g and had the number 1 ranked scoring defense four times. I don't think you will fined another defense that has performed better over the past seven years. (Baltimore has averaged 17.4 and was ranked 1st once) Oh, and by the way... Our amazing 2008 defensive effort that had us #1 across the board (rushing, passing, overall, scoring), well, we averaged 13.9pt/g. So far, the end result of this years efforts have been better than in 2008.

          When are Steelers fans going to learn the ingenious of DL scheme and stop listening to inflammatory media snippets and out of context statistics. I thought Steeler Nation had a better football IQ than that.
          If you dont think this completion percentages wont mean something down the road when the Steelers face playoff teams like the Colts, Patriots, Jets, etc., then you are crazy.

          You are right, this stat doesn't mean a whole lot when you are playing Tampa Bay, Cleveland, and Tennessee. But those higher echelon teams will get the ball into the end zone. You better believe that.
          The only one crazy is you Ovie....

          the stat means little when you look at our run D and points per game. Jets? LOL... they aren't a passing team. Colts? Banged up and Manning has yet to show he can remain cool under the LeBeau blits when it matters. Pats? We will see... but if we are both looking at the playoffs down the road I doubt we show everything the first time around anyway.

          There is no need to worry about our pass D until we lose a game or 2 because the D failed us. I can't even fault the D for the Ravens game because they gave us 2 TO's on the Ravens side of the field and we did nothing with them.
          Steelers 27
          Rats 16

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          • feltdizz
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 27531

            #20
            Re: Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

            bump....

            Jets blanked at home by the Packers.... I think they are over rated.
            Steelers 27
            Rats 16

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            • hawaiiansteel
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 35649

              #21
              Re: Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

              Head-to-head: Steelers CB Ike Taylor vs. Saints WR Marques Colston

              Sunday, October 31, 2010
              By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


              It wasn't as though defensive coordinator D!ck LeBeau had to clear away mothballs when he reached into the closet and pulled out one of his favorite defensive tactics last week against the Miami Dolphins.

              After all, it hasn't been that long since they used cornerback Ike Taylor to shadow the other team's top receiver.

              But for the first time this season, LeBeau employed that defensive strategy against Dolphins wide receiver Brandon Marshall, and it couldn't have worked any better in a 23-22 victory.

              Marshall, who is 6 feet 5, 230 pounds, was held to five catches for 57 yards and didn't have a catch longer than 19 yards. The only time Taylor didn't line against him was when Marshall was in the slot.

              "We did that for the size matchup because their wide receiver is 6-4, 235, and Ike is our biggest corner," LeBeau said. "We matched him, and Ike did a great job."

              Saints wide receiver Marques Colston falls into that same category.

              He's 6-4, 225 pounds, and leads a diverse corps of receivers with 40 catches and 452 receiving yards. But Saints quarterback Drew Brees, the Super Bowl XLIV MVP, does such a good job of distributing the ball that it is difficult for a defense to concentrate on just one receiver.

              "Drew Brees knows where he wants to go," said Taylor, who was born and raised in New Orleans and went to college at Louisiana-Lafayette. "All six of his receivers are on the same page 98 percent of the time. He knows where he wants to go, regardless what defense you're in."

              After using Taylor to shadow the other team's top receiver many times during the past two seasons, the Steelers did not plan to use him in that role this season, not after they struggled to defend the long pass in 2009.

              But, after watching Atlanta Falcons wide receiver Roddy White catch 13 passes for 111 yards in the season opener, mostly against cornerback Bryant McFadden, LeBeau did not want Marshall to do the same thing. A week earlier, Marshall caught 10 passes for 127 yards against the Green Bay Packers, a game in which quarterback Chad Henne targeted him 17 times.

              "I'm ready for it every week," Taylor said. "They told me during the season it's going to come, you just don't know when."

              There was one other noticeable tactic, too. Taylor played mainly in press coverage against Marshall, lining against him at the line of scrimmage and not giving him much room to run routes.

              "I've been doing that all year, all the time," Taylor said. "That's something I want to do. It just eliminates a lot of things they can do, like routes. There's only a certain amount of routes you can do -- a fade or a slant."

              It appears the strategy isn't about to fade.

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