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  • PSU_dropout43
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    • May 2009
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    Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

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    OMINOUS SIGN?

    The Steelers are allowing a pass-completion percentage of 66.2 percent, which not only ranks 28th in the league but is on pace to smash the team record of 62.4 percent set in 1991.

    In its 78 years in the league, Pittsburgh has allowed 60 percent of opponents’ passes to be completed only four times. The 1991 and 2003 teams had losing records; the 2006 team went 8-8; and the 1987 team went 8-7. These Steelers, of course, are 5-1.

    “The thing that’s most exciting is we don’t allow people to score touchdowns,” Tomlin said. “We lead the league in scoring defense. Even in red areas we make people kick field goals. That’s the formula for winning defense. I’m less concerned about what stats may potentially tell us because we all know, in many instances, they lie.”

    But the stat that best defines New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees is his league-leading completion percentage of 69.7. He and the Saints are waiting on deck to dive into the Steelers’ secondary.

    As for the quarterbacks who’ve compiled the 66.2 completion percentage against the Steelers, they’ve completed 60.2 percent against the rest of their opponents.


    WREAKING HAVOC

    Tomlin was asked why the defending champion Saints were handled so easily at home Sunday by the Cleveland Browns.

    “They probably weren’t as familiar with the kind of damage that Shawn Rodgers can do,” Tomlin said of the Browns’ backup nose tackle. “That’s probably the thing that jumped off the tape to me more than anything.”

    While the tape may show a dominating performance, Rodgers was credited with only one tackle in the game.

    RASBERRY FOR THE LEAGUE

    In the fourth quarter of Sunday’s game, Steelers linebacker James Harrison pulled up from a potential hit on Dolphins running back Ronnie Brown as Brown was being tackled on the play. NFL vice-president Ray Anderson praised Harrison the next day, but Tomlin was less than enthusiastic.

    “I think what Ronnie Brown did had more to do with it than anything else,” Tomlin said. “James took his normal approach and angle to the football. Ronnie Brown caught the ball clean and got down like a savvy veteran does when he’s in harm’s way. I’m less concerned about Ray Anderson’s evaluation of James’s performance than I am just evaluating James’s performance myself.”

    Is Tomlin OK with the league office commenting on his players’ performances?

    “It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you,” he said.
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  • Steelers>NFL
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    • May 2010
    • 488

    #2
    Re: Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

    This is not good. Especially with good passing teams coming up on the schedule.

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    • papillon
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      • Mar 2008
      • 11340

      #3
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      Originally posted by Mike "stick it in the NFL's ear Tomlin
      I’m less concerned about Ray Anderson’s evaluation of James’s performance than I am just evaluating James’s performance myself.”

      Is Tomlin OK with the league office commenting on his players’ performances?

      “It would be tough for me to care less about their opinion, to be honest with you,” he said.
      These are beautiful quotes and music to my ears from Mike Tomlin. Ray Anderson's "we're better than you" attitude rubbed many folks the wrong way and Mike Tomlin just told him to STFU.

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      • RuthlessBurgher
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        • May 2008
        • 33208

        #4
        Re: Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

        Originally posted by Steelers>NFL
        This is not good. Especially with good passing teams coming up on the schedule.
        I wouldn't worry too much about it.

        Just look at the bottom 5 teams in the league in this particular stat and their records.

        We allow 66.2% completions and are 5-1.
        Jacksonville allows 67.3% completions and is 3-4.
        Houston allows 68.9% completions and is 4-2.
        Atlanta allows 69.2% completions and is 5-2.
        New England allows 70.0% completions and is 5-1.

        Opposing completion percentage is not an ominous stat that dooms a team.
        Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

        Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

        We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

        We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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        • feltdizz
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          • May 2008
          • 27531

          #5
          Re: Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

          Originally posted by Steelers>NFL
          This is not good. Especially with good passing teams coming up on the schedule.
          I'll take a bad completion % evry day of the week as long as we keep them out of the endzone.

          Would you rather see us 1st in completion % but 25th in scoring defense? We are letting teams complete passes between the 30's.. but that is it. Our red zone D is shutting teams down. That is the most important stat of all.
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          • Discipline of Steel
            Hall of Famer
            • Aug 2008
            • 3882

            #6
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            [color=#80FF00]RASBERRY FOR THE LEAGUE

            “I think what Ronnie Brown did had more to do with it than anything else,” Tomlin said. “James took his normal approach and angle to the football. Ronnie Brown caught the ball clean and got down like a savvy veteran does when he’s in harm’s way.
            I think I like this quote by him even better. Talk about savvy! He pointed out Massoqua's inexperience as a cause for his own concussion. And he did it in Ray Anderson's face...all in one fell swoop. Very nice Mike
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            • Dee Dub
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              • Jan 2010
              • 4652

              #7
              Re: Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

              Originally posted by feltdizz
              Originally posted by Steelers>NFL
              This is not good. Especially with good passing teams coming up on the schedule.
              I'll take a bad completion % evry day of the week as long as we keep them out of the endzone.

              Would you rather see us 1st in completion % but 25th in scoring defense? We are letting teams complete passes between the 30's.. but that is it. Our red zone D is shutting teams down. That is the most important stat of all.
              Ok but lets say it's in the playoffs versus the Colts, Patriots, Jets, Ravens, etc., do you think with that percentage the Steelers will be keeping those teams out of the end zone?

              It's one thing versus Tampa Bay and Cleveland, its another vesus the elite teams

              But there is a solution to this problem. Simply bring more men after the opposing QB. 3 and 4 for the majority of a game isnt cutting it.....is it Mr. LeBeau?
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              • Discipline of Steel
                Hall of Famer
                • Aug 2008
                • 3882

                #8
                Re: Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

                [quote=Dee Dub]
                Originally posted by feltdizz
                Originally posted by "Steelers>NFL":1txp21x7
                This is not good. Especially with good passing teams coming up on the schedule.
                I'll take a bad completion % evry day of the week as long as we keep them out of the endzone.

                Would you rather see us 1st in completion % but 25th in scoring defense? We are letting teams complete passes between the 30's.. but that is it. Our red zone D is shutting teams down. That is the most important stat of all.
                Ok but lets say it's in the playoffs versus the Colts, Patriots, Jets, Ravens, etc., do you think with that percentage the Steelers will be keeping those teams out of the end zone?

                It's one thing versus Tampa Bay and Cleveland, its another vesus the elite teams

                But there is a solution to this problem. Simply bring more men after the opposing QB. 3 and 4 for the majority of a game isnt cutting it.....is it Mr. LeBeau? [/quote:1txp21x7]

                Im not so sure its a problem. Its reflective of how The Saint wants to apply his men to the task at hand. We all know the Steelers D likes to keep the ball in front of them and discourage the big play. More decisive stats would be
                - 3rd down conversion percentage
                - Total TDs Allowed
                - Average gain per pass completion
                - Total passing yards allowed
                - and Red Zone visits allowed (likely to be poor for our team)

                I expect The Saint would sacrifice short completions to aid in stuffing the run game. Stuffing the run is IMPORTANT and we just lost Aaron Smith.
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                • skyhawk
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                  • Dec 2008
                  • 3732

                  #9
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                  No pressure of the QB the past few games is the direct cause of a 66.2% completion percentage.

                  I haven't seen QB's stand back there so easily and so long since the early 90's!!!!

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                  • chiken
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                    • Jun 2010
                    • 489

                    #10
                    Re: Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

                    c'mon guys.. Passing % means nothing. Yards per Attempt and T.O.P tell the real story.. We don't give it up deep, you have to dink and dunk us.. I have seen us 3 out offenses who have completed 3 throws.

                    the defense is fine (at the moment) we just have to make sure our offense compliments our defense.

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                    • NWNewell
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                      • Sep 2009
                      • 384

                      #11
                      Re: Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

                      As an engineer, few things irritate me more than the mis-use of statistics. Love to see statistics out of context (sense the sarcasim).

                      People shouldn't give a crap about the completion percentage. What I worry about most, after points/game, is the yards/attempt. How well do they move the ball when they try to pass? If opponents completed 100% of their passes for only 3yds/attempt, they would be looking at 4th and 1 a lot (extreme example). Our defenses completion percentage may look terrible, but our yards/attempt is not too bad (6.8yds/att = ranked 15th). And even that is a little inflated because we've played with a two possession lead quite often and used prevent to ensure that the opponents would take a long time to score and not have enough time to sustain multiple long scoring drives. Hence, why our 4th quarter completion percentage is ~70%.

                      Now, I'm not saying that our pass defense has been stellar, it has not. But it's no where near as dire as these hand plucked individual stats portray it to be.

                      I'm a little concerned about Brees and the Saints. But only if Brees and the Saints are patient and are capable of playing a savvy finesse short yardage passing game. I have my doubts about that. Most of Brees yards and TD's come from the big play. I think Brees will try to go for the big play too often and that will be the Saints downfall (if our secondary stays disciplined and doesn't become impatient themselves, trying to jump the short yardage routes and get burned deep).

                      Our defense emphasizes stopping the run, deep passes, and yards after the catch, forcing them to sustain long drives and earn their points through many short yardage pass completions. If out league leading 13.7pt/g (leading by nearly 3pt/g) demonstrates anything, it's that this is a tough way to put points on the board. Every year people criticize our pass defense (except 200. But it is nearly impossible to play lights out against both the run and the pass at the same time. DL has schemed a great way to shut down the run while at the same time managing the pass defense in a way that make's it difficult to put points on the board. Since DL has been with the Steelers in 2004, the Steelers have averaged 16.6pt/g and had the number 1 ranked scoring defense four times. I don't think you will fined another defense that has performed better over the past seven years. (Baltimore has averaged 17.4 and was ranked 1st once) Oh, and by the way... Our amazing 2008 defensive effort that had us #1 across the board (rushing, passing, overall, scoring), well, we averaged 13.9pt/g. So far, the end result of this years efforts have been better than in 2008.

                      When are Steelers fans going to learn the ingenious of DL scheme and stop listening to inflammatory media snippets and out of context statistics. I thought Steeler Nation had a better football IQ than that.

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                      • phillyesq
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                        • May 2008
                        • 7568

                        #12
                        Re: Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

                        Originally posted by feltdizz
                        Originally posted by Steelers>NFL
                        This is not good. Especially with good passing teams coming up on the schedule.
                        I'll take a bad completion % evry day of the week as long as we keep them out of the endzone.

                        Would you rather see us 1st in completion % but 25th in scoring defense? We are letting teams complete passes between the 30's.. but that is it. Our red zone D is shutting teams down. That is the most important stat of all.


                        A stat that is missing here is turnovers - aren't the Steelers leading the league in takeaways, or close to it? They've sat back to force mistakes more this year than I've seen in the past, and it has been successful.

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                        • ikestops85
                          Hall of Famer
                          • Jun 2008
                          • 3724

                          #13
                          Re: Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

                          Originally posted by phillyesq
                          Originally posted by feltdizz
                          Originally posted by Steelers>NFL
                          This is not good. Especially with good passing teams coming up on the schedule.
                          I'll take a bad completion % evry day of the week as long as we keep them out of the endzone.

                          Would you rather see us 1st in completion % but 25th in scoring defense? We are letting teams complete passes between the 30's.. but that is it. Our red zone D is shutting teams down. That is the most important stat of all.


                          A stat that is missing here is turnovers - aren't the Steelers leading the league in takeaways, or close to it? They've sat back to force mistakes more this year than I've seen in the past, and it has been successful.
                          I'll go along with these guys. Points against is the most important stat followed by turnovers and I'd like to throw in 3rd down conversion percentage.

                          In fact the latter 2 items dictate how you do with the first item. So if we create a lot of turnovers and get off the field by stopping them on 3rd down, especially the 3rd and long, we minimize the points we give up. I guess that means creating turnovers and stopping them on 3rd down are the most important things.
                          As many on this site think ... The Rooney's suck, Colbert sucks, Tomlin sucks, the coaches suck, and the players suck.

                          but Go Steelers!!!

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                          • feltdizz
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                            • May 2008
                            • 27531

                            #14
                            Re: Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

                            [quote=Dee Dub]
                            Originally posted by feltdizz
                            Originally posted by "Steelers>NFL":tm1050bq
                            This is not good. Especially with good passing teams coming up on the schedule.
                            I'll take a bad completion % evry day of the week as long as we keep them out of the endzone.

                            Would you rather see us 1st in completion % but 25th in scoring defense? We are letting teams complete passes between the 30's.. but that is it. Our red zone D is shutting teams down. That is the most important stat of all.
                            Ok but lets say it's in the playoffs versus the Colts, Patriots, Jets, Ravens, etc., do you think with that percentage the Steelers will be keeping those teams out of the end zone?

                            It's one thing versus Tampa Bay and Cleveland, its another vesus the elite teams

                            But there is a solution to this problem. Simply bring more men after the opposing QB. 3 and 4 for the majority of a game isnt cutting it.....is it Mr. LeBeau? [/quote:tm1050bq]

                            it doesn't matter what happened in past games once the playoff's start.

                            We played the Colts twice... the first time they spanked us.. the second time Manning couldn't get a first down until after halftime.

                            After the Saints game we can complain if we get torched... but every game plan is different and I'm sure LeBeau isn't going to defend Drew Brees like he defended McCoy, VY or Henne.

                            and the Saints aren't elite... it's a new year and they look like us after a SB.
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                            • feltdizz
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                              • May 2008
                              • 27531

                              #15
                              Re: Opponents’ pass-completion percentage...

                              Originally posted by phillyesq
                              Originally posted by feltdizz
                              Originally posted by Steelers>NFL
                              This is not good. Especially with good passing teams coming up on the schedule.
                              I'll take a bad completion % evry day of the week as long as we keep them out of the endzone.

                              Would you rather see us 1st in completion % but 25th in scoring defense? We are letting teams complete passes between the 30's.. but that is it. Our red zone D is shutting teams down. That is the most important stat of all.


                              A stat that is missing here is turnovers - aren't the Steelers leading the league in takeaways, or close to it? They've sat back to force mistakes more this year than I've seen in the past, and it has been successful.
                              people keep talking about our D like we have it set on auto play Madden 2011. Each game is different and I think we will throw some new wrinkles in this week. Then again... we may let Brees throw between the 30's and go after him in the Red Zone and make them kick FG's.

                              As long as we are winning I don't give a damn what the completion % is.
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