The Bus nominated for HOF

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

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Bettis, Dawson among Steelers nominated for NFL Hall of Fame
Monday, September 13, 2010
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Halfback Jerome Bettis joins his former center Dermontti Dawson to headline a handful of Steelers nominated for the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2011.

Bettis is among a trio of star running backs eligible for induction for the first time. The others are Marshall Faulk and Curtis Martin.

Dawson was among the finalists for the Hall of Fame last year, making it to the final 10.

Other former Steelers on the list are safety Donnie Shell, linebacker Kevin Greene, kicker Gary Anderson, coach Buddy Parker, defensive coordinator Bud Carson, player personnel head Art Rooney Jr. and scout Bill Nunn.

The 113 modern-era nominees will be whittled to 25 semifinalists in November and then 15 finalists. They will join two seniors nominees, former Washington Redskins linebacker Chris Hanburger and former Los Angeles Rams linebacker Les Richter, to be eligible for the next Hall of Fame Class, which will be chosen Feb. 5.

The nominees:
First-year eligible

Running backs -- Jerome Bettis, Marshall Faulk, Curtis Martin

Wide receiver -- Jimmy Smith

Offensive lineman -- Willie Roaf (T)

Cornerback -- Deion Sanders (also KR/PR)

Coach -- Dick Vermeil

Additional nominees:

Quarterbacks -- Ken Anderson, Jim Plunkett, Phil Simms, Doug Williams

Running backs -- Ottis Anderson, Larry Centers, *Roger Craig, Terrell Davis, Eddie George, Brian Mitchell (also KR/PR), Gerald Riggs, Herschel Walker, Ricky Watters

Wide receivers -- *-Tim Brown, *-Cris Carter, Gary Clark, Henry Ellard, Herman Moore, Stanley Morgan, Mike Quick, *Andre Reed, J.T. Smith

Tight ends -- Mark Bavaro, Todd Christensen, Ben Coates, Russ Francis, Brent Jones, *-Shannon Sharpe, Frank Wycheck

Offensive linemen -- Bruce Armstrong (T), Tony Boselli (T), Lomas Brown (T), Jim Covert (T), *-Dermontti Dawson (C), Jay Hilgenberg (C), Chris Hinton (G/T), Kent Hull (C), Joe Jacoby (T), Mike Kenn (T), Jim Lachey(T), Steve Wisniewski (G)

Defensive linemen -- Al "Bubba" Baker (DE), Dave Butz (DE/DT), Ray Childress (DT/DE), *-Richard Dent (DE), Chris Doleman (DE/LB), *-Charles Haley (DE/LB), Ed "Too Tall" Jones (DE), *-Cortez Kennedy (DT), Joe Klecko (DE/DT/NT), Dexter Manley (DE), Charles Mann (DE), Fred Smerlas (NT)

Linebackers -- Cornelius Bennett, Kevin Greene (also DE), Ken Harvey, Clay Matthews, Karl Mecklenburg, Sam Mills, Darryl Talley

Defensive backs -- Eric Allen (CB), Steve Atwater (S), Bill Bates (S/ST), Joey Browner (S), LeRoy Butler (S), Kenny Easley (S), Lester Hayes (CB), Albert Lewis (CB), Frank Minnifield (CB), Donnie Shell (S), Aeneas Williams (CB/S), Darren Woodson (S), Louis Wright (CB)

Kickers/punters -- Gary Anderson (K), Ray Guy (P), Nick Lowery (K), Reggie Roby (P)

Special teams -- Steve Tasker (ST/WR)

Coaches -- Bud Carson, *Don Coryell, Tom Flores, Jimmy Johnson, Chuck Knox, Buddy Parker, Dan Reeves, Clark Shaughnessy

Contributors -- K.S. "Bud" Adams, Jr., Bobby Beathard, Leo Carlin, Jack Kent Cooke, Otho Davis, Edward DeBartolo, Jr., Ron Gibbs, Ole Haugsrud, Frank "Bucko" Kilroy, Art McNally, Art Modell, Bill Nunn, Joe Robbie, Art Rooney, Jr., Carroll Rosenbloom, Ed Sabol, Steve Sabol, Paul Tagliabue, Ron Wolf, George Young

*-On 2010 finalists list.

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[papillon]

Re: The Bus nominated for HOF

I'm still of the belief that no other players should be put in the HOF until Dirt Dawson gets his day. When you've been retired for as many years as he has and you're still considered (or, at least in the discussion) as the best at your position ever, no other player should be inducted until Dawson is inducted.

A player is a player regardless of position and Dawson is mentioned as GOAT at center a lot. How can you induct a player that isn't even in the discussion as the GOAT at his position before a player that is?

Pappy

[Discipline of Steel]

Re: The Bus nominated for HOF

Jimmy Smith?
Mike Quick?
Aeneas Williams?
Steve Tasker?

Are we talking about the Hall of Fame or Hall of Players Who Were Pretty Decent?

[Captain Lemming]

Re: The Bus nominated for HOF

I'm still of the belief that no other players should be put in the HOF until Dirt Dawson gets his day. When you've been retired for as many years as he has and you're still considered (or, at least in the discussion) as the best at your position ever, no other player should be inducted until Dawson is inducted.

A player is a player regardless of position and Dawson is mentioned as GOAT at center a lot. How can you induct a player that isn't even in the discussion as the GOAT at his position before a player that is?

Pappy

Agreed 100 percent. It is ironic though that most will say another Steeler, Webby is still the GOAT.

Wouldnt it be awesome though if the best anti Dawson comment is "he wasnt even the GOAT on the Steelers...... Pouncey is!!!!!

Bettis wont sniff the HOF for years regardless.

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: The Bus nominated for HOF

I'm still of the belief that no other players should be put in the HOF until Dirt Dawson gets his day. When you've been retired for as many years as he has and you're still considered (or, at least in the discussion) as the best at your position ever, no other player should be inducted until Dawson is inducted.

A player is a player regardless of position and Dawson is mentioned as GOAT at center a lot. How can you induct a player that isn't even in the discussion as the GOAT at his position before a player that is?

Pappy

You could make the exact same argument for Ray Guy, but punters get no respect.

[Slapstick]

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Agreed 100 percent. It is ironic though that most will say another Steeler, Webby is still the GOAT.

Wouldnt it be awesome though if the best anti Dawson comment is "he wasnt even the GOAT on the Steelers...... Pouncey is!!!!!

You had me...

Bettis wont sniff the HOF for years regardless.

...and then you lost me...

When there are only 4 players who have rushed for more yards from scrimmage than you have, you are HoF worthy...

[ramblinjim]

Re: The Bus nominated for HOF

The fact that Chris Carter and Tim Brown are not in the HOF will make it really tough for Hines I'm afraid. And I think Hines should be a shoe-in.

[papillon]

Re: The Bus nominated for HOF

I'm still of the belief that no other players should be put in the HOF until Dirt Dawson gets his day. When you've been retired for as many years as he has and you're still considered (or, at least in the discussion) as the best at your position ever, no other player should be inducted until Dawson is inducted.

A player is a player regardless of position and Dawson is mentioned as GOAT at center a lot. How can you induct a player that isn't even in the discussion as the GOAT at his position before a player that is?

Pappy

You could make the exact same argument for Ray Guy, but punters get no respect.

And, I would make the exact same argument for Ray Guy. I don't like the Raiders as much as the next guy, but great is great and Ray Guy was probably the best at his position ever. Steve Tasker may fall into that category as well. Again, great is great, you shouldn't have to be a skill queer :P to get HOF love.

Pappy

[rpmpit]

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The fact that Chris Carter and Tim Brown are not in the HOF will make it really tough for Hines I'm afraid. And I think Hines should be a shoe-in.

Seems like the HOF likes championships. Brown and Carter have none. Hines has 2...so far .

BTW, about Bettis, was he that much worse on Football Night in America than Rodney Harrison? Or was there some specific reason why NBC dumped him?

[rpmpit]

Re: The Bus nominated for HOF

I'm still of the belief that no other players should be put in the HOF until Dirt Dawson gets his day. When you've been retired for as many years as he has and you're still considered (or, at least in the discussion) as the best at your position ever, no other player should be inducted until Dawson is inducted.

A player is a player regardless of position and Dawson is mentioned as GOAT at center a lot. How can you induct a player that isn't even in the discussion as the GOAT at his position before a player that is?

Pappy

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: The Bus nominated for HOF

The fact that Chris Carter and Tim Brown are not in the HOF will make it really tough for Hines I'm afraid. And I think Hines should be a shoe-in.

Seems like the HOF likes championships. Brown and Carter have none. Hines has 2...so far .

BTW, about Bettis, was he that much worse on Football Night in America than Rodney Harrison? Or was there some specific reason why NBC dumped him?

Rodney Harrison has the cojones to wear a Hitler mustache. No one has the guts to fire him.

[aggiebones]

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The nominees:
First-year eligible
Running backs -- Jerome Bettis (3 years), Marshall Faulk (now), Curtis Martin(8-10 years)
Wide receiver -- Jimmy Smith (never)
Offensive lineman -- Willie Roaf (T) (1-3years)

Cornerback -- Deion Sanders (also KR/PR) (now)

Coach -- bad word Vermeil (10 years-never)

Additional nominees:

Quarterbacks -- Ken Anderson, Jim Plunkett (maybe some day), Phil Simms, Doug Williams (the rest = never)

Running backs -- Ottis Anderson, Larry Centers, *Roger Craig (3-5yrs), Terrell Davis, Eddie George, Brian Mitchell (also KR/PR), Gerald Riggs, Herschel Walker, Ricky Watters (rest = never)

Wide receivers -- *-Tim Brown (5-10yrs), *-Cris Carter(5-8yrs), Gary Clark, Henry Ellard, Herman Moore, Stanley Morgan, Mike Quick, *Andre Reed, J.T. Smith (rest = never)

Tight ends -- Mark Bavaro, Todd Christensen, Ben Coates, Russ Francis, Brent Jones, *-Shannon Sharpe (3-8 yrs), Frank Wycheck

Offensive linemen -- Bruce Armstrong (T), Tony Boselli (T), Lomas Brown (T), Jim Covert (T), *-Dermontti Dawson (C) (now dangit), Jay Hilgenberg (C), Chris Hinton (G/T), Kent Hull (C), Joe Jacoby (T), Mike Kenn (T), Jim Lachey(T), Steve Wisniewski (G) (tough to evaluate, maybe a few when they are elderly)

Defensive linemen -- Al "Bubba" Baker (DE), Dave Butz (DE/DT), Ray Childress (DT/DE), *-Richard Dent (DE), Chris Doleman (DE/LB), *-Charles Haley (DE/LB) (2-5yrs), Ed "Too Tall" Jones (DE), *-Cortez Kennedy (DT), Joe Klecko (DE/DT/NT), Dexter Manley (DE), Charles Mann (DE), Fred Smerlas (NT) (maybe 1 more)

Linebackers -- Cornelius Bennett, Kevin Greene (also DE) (not sure about him, maybe at some point), Ken Harvey, Clay Matthews, Karl Mecklenburg (5-10yrs), Sam Mills, Darryl Talley ( a few here that could sneak in)

Defensive backs -- Eric Allen (CB), Steve Atwater (S), Bill Bates (S/ST), Joey Browner (S), LeRoy Butler (S), Kenny Easley (S), Lester Hayes (CB), Albert Lewis (CB), Frank Minnifield (CB), Donnie Shell (S)(please some day), Aeneas Williams (CB/S), Darren Woodson (S), Louis Wright (CB) ( a few here that I really like, but had short careers)

(none) Kickers/punters -- Gary Anderson (K), Ray Guy (P), Nick Lowery (K), Reggie Roby (P)

Special teams -- Steve Tasker (ST/WR)

Coaches -- Bud Carson, *Don Coryell, Tom Flores, Jimmy Johnson (please no), Chuck Knox, Buddy Parker, Dan Reeves, Clark Shaughnessy

Contributors -- K.S. "Bud" Adams, Jr., Bobby Beathard, Leo Carlin, Jack Kent Cooke, Otho Davis, Edward DeBartolo, Jr., Ron Gibbs, Ole Haugsrud, Frank "Bucko" Kilroy, Art McNally, Art Modell, Bill Nunn, Joe Robbie, Art Rooney, Jr., Carroll Rosenbloom, Ed Sabol, Steve Sabol, Paul Tagliabue, Ron Wolf, George Young (eh, who cares)

*-On 2010 finalists list.

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[Slapstick]

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The fact that Chris Carter and Tim Brown are not in the HOF will make it really tough for Hines I'm afraid. And I think Hines should be a shoe-in.

Hines Ward postseason statistics: (I believe that it makes a difference with the HoF voters)

76 catches - 1064 yards - 8 TDs

Ward's post-season stats smoke both Cris Carter and Tim Brown...Carter played in the same number of postseason games as Ward, but has fewer receptions and yards by a pretty big margin (both have 8 TDs)...

I think that the postseason had a lot to do with Swann being elected into the HoF...Ward has great stats in both the regular season and the postseason...he has four Pro Bowls and a SB MVP award...

By the end of this year, Ward could top 1,000 catches and 12,000 yards...

[Sugar]

Re: The Bus nominated for HOF

The fact that Chris Carter and Tim Brown are not in the HOF will make it really tough for Hines I'm afraid. And I think Hines should be a shoe-in.

Neither of them is a Super Bowl MVP though. While Hines has similar receiving stats he is also regarded as the best blocking WR in history. Those things alone should get him in.

[ramblinjim]

Re: The Bus nominated for HOF

The fact that Chris Carter and Tim Brown are not in the HOF will make it really tough for Hines I'm afraid. And I think Hines should be a shoe-in.

Hines Ward postseason statistics: (I believe that it makes a difference with the HoF voters)

76 catches - 1064 yards - 8 TDs

Ward's post-season stats smoke both Cris Carter and Tim Brown...Carter played in the same number of postseason games as Ward, but has fewer receptions and yards by a pretty big margin (both have 8 TDs)...

I think that the postseason had a lot to do with Swann being elected into the HoF...Ward has great stats in both the regular season and the postseason...he has four Pro Bowls and a SB MVP award...

By the end of this year, Ward could top 1,000 catches and 12,000 yards...

Great stats, I didn't realize his were so good in the post season but not surprised.