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  • fordfixer
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 10921

    Steelers on brink of losing key player

    Here we go again.
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    Steelers on brink of losing key player
    By Scott Brown
    TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Thursday, August 21, 2008
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    The clock may be ticking on Marvel Smith's career in Pittsburgh.

    The veteran left tackle said "it's pretty much guaranteed" that he will be playing elsewhere next season if he and the Steelers do not agree on a contract extension before the start of the regular season Sept. 7.

    Smith, who protects the blind side of Pro Bowl quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, is in the final year of his contract. The Steelers have a policy of not engaging in contract negotiations during the season.

    The two sides have not had any substantial talks on a contract extension.

    "Everybody who knows Marvel personally is well aware that it's not all about going to the highest bidder," said Ken Zuckerman, Smith's agent. "He doesn't like change and would definitely be open to working out a contract before the season. However, once the regular season starts with no extension in place, he will be forced to enter the free-agent market."

    Smith would probably cash in big time if he hit the open market.

    The Miami Dolphins gave a five-year, $57.75 million deal -- $30 million is guaranteed -- to left tackle Jake Long, and he hasn't played a down in the NFL.

    Long's contract is the richest ever for an offensive lineman.

    Smith could get a deal similar to the one Long -- the first overall pick of the 2008 draft -- signed with the Dolphins.

    Established left tackles who are still in their primes such as Smith rarely hit the open market. They are almost always re-signed by their teams because of a paucity of quality left tackles in the NFL.

    The Steelers historically have been reluctant to give long-term extensions to players that have completed two contract cycles such as Smith. And Smith, who turned 30 earlier this month, missed five games last season because of back problems.

    Smith had successful surgery last December, and the operation relieved the 6-foot-5, 321-pounder of a nerve problem that had caused him to lose feeling in his lower right leg at times last season.

    "I feel like I've got a new lease on my career," Smith said. "I feel like I've got plenty of good years (left)."

    Smith already has given the Steelers plenty of good years.

    He started at right tackle as a rookie in 2000 and later made a successful transition to left tackle. Smith made the Pro Bowl in 2005 and is highly regarded at a position that is especially critical to the Steelers given the investment they made in Roethlisberger during the offseason.

    "I think he's one of the better tackles, as far as (left) tackles, that I've played against," Steelers outside linebacker James Harrison said of Smith, whom he goes against every day in practice.

    If Smith leaves, the Steelers don't appear to have any viable options at left tackle.

    Max Starks, who filled in for Smith last season, is also in the final year of his contract, and he conceded last week that it is questionable that he will be with the Steelers next season.

    Trai Essex hasn't looked like anything more than a stopgap at left tackle in the three seasons he has played for the Steelers. Rookie Tony Hills, a fourth-round draft pick, is a major project.

    The Steelers could keep Smith for one season beyond 2008 by using the franchise tag on the ninth-year veteran.

    However, that seems unlikely for a couple of reasons:

    • Teams generally use the franchise tag on a player only after they have tried to negotiate a long-term deal, and there have been no serious discussions between the Steelers and Zuckerman on an extension.

    • The franchise tag guarantees a player the average of the top five salaries at his position from the previous year, but it is also a risk since it may keep a player on the team against his will.

    Asked if he would feel slighted if the Steelers don't offer him an extension before the season opener against the Houston Texans, Smith said, "I can't tell you how I would feel right now because I'm not trying to dwell on it. All I can do is control getting ready for the season, playing the best I can and helping the team win. It's up to them whether or not they want to do anything."
    Mixed results

    Coveted left tackles rarely hit free agency since teams usually re-sign them before they can test the open market. Here are some notable left tackles that signed free-agent contracts elsewhere and how they fared.

    • Wayne Gandy: The Saints signed the former Steeler -- 32 at the time -- to a six-year, $30 million contract in March 2003. Gandy played three seasons in New Orleans before the Saints traded him to the Falcons. Atlanta released Gandy after last season.

    • John Tait: The former Chief signed a six-year, $33 million deal with the Bears in March 2004. Tait had played left and right tackle for the Chiefs. He played right tackle his first season in Chicago but has since been the Bears' starting left tackle.

    • Jonas Jennings: The 49ers gave the former Bill a seven-year, $36 million deal in March 2005. Jennings has been a bit of a flop as injuries and ineffectiveness have plagued him in San Francisco. The 49ers have moved him to right tackle.

    Scott Brown can be reached at [email="sbrown@tribweb.com"]sbrown@tribweb.com[/email] or 412-481-5432

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  • Djfan
    Legend
    • May 2008
    • 5184

    #2
    Re: Steelers on brink of losing key player

    we may need to get this done soon, huh?
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    • fordfixer
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 10921

      #3
      Re: Steelers on brink of losing key player

      Originally posted by Djfan
      we may need to get this done soon, huh?
      Kind of sounds that way

      Molon labe

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      ?We're not going to apologize for winning.?
      Mike Tomlin

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      • AkronSteel
        Pro Bowler
        • May 2008
        • 1272

        #4
        Re: Steelers on brink of losing key player

        I think the team needs to be proactive with this situation. LT's don't grow on trees, especially ones that are of the quality of Marvel. I think the team needs to look at giving him a 3 year extension, match the same dollars per year, and give a nice guarantee.

        They cannot let this guy walk and expect to replace him in FA or the draft.

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        • Chadman
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 6537

          #5
          Re: Steelers on brink of losing key player

          Actually, chadman agrees with the way the Steelers are doing this. There are question marks over all 3 options at LT- Smith with his back, Starks with his consistancy & Essex with his abilities...

          Let them play it out & settle on one, or perhaps 2, at the end of the season to keep & let the other walk.

          Chadman doesn't agree with the assessment of Essex in this article either. Given limited opportunities, Essex has performed well. Add to that his good play at OG this camp, things are looking better for Trai.
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          • frankthetank1
            Hall of Famer
            • May 2008
            • 2755

            #6
            Re: Steelers on brink of losing key player

            i agree with chadman. marvel is getting up there in age and has issues with his back. id rather the steelers see what happens this season with all the o-lineman that will be fa's next year. i wish simmons was in his last year instead of marvel. when i opened this thread i assumed it was about farrior. i think im more worried about losing him than anyone.

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            • Oviedo
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 23824

              #7
              Re: Steelers on brink of losing key player

              Originally posted by frankthetank1
              i agree with chadman. marvel is getting up there in age and has issues with his back. id rather the steelers see what happens this season with all the o-lineman that will be fa's next year. i wish simmons was in his last year instead of marvel. when i opened this thread i assumed it was about farrior. i think im more worried about losing him than anyone.
              I agree with this agreement with Chadman

              Smith is a good player, but not one that would not come without risk. Not sure that you can commit left tackle dollars to a player coming off back surgery until you have the data over the course of the full season to determine whether that surgery was successful.

              One thing that does need to change is the Steelers' policy of not negotiating during the season. This is just plain bad business and puts the Steelers in a disadvantageous position when the free agency period opens. Negotiate during the season while you are in control of the player and can influence him. Don't wait until the feeding frenzy starts because there will always be bad teams with lots of cap space who can outspend you.
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              • frankthetank1
                Hall of Famer
                • May 2008
                • 2755

                #8
                Re: Steelers on brink of losing key player

                Originally posted by Oviedo
                Originally posted by frankthetank1
                i agree with chadman. marvel is getting up there in age and has issues with his back. id rather the steelers see what happens this season with all the o-lineman that will be fa's next year. i wish simmons was in his last year instead of marvel. when i opened this thread i assumed it was about farrior. i think im more worried about losing him than anyone.
                I agree with this agreement with Chadman

                Smith is a good player, but not one that would not come without risk. Not sure that you can commit left tackle dollars to a player coming off back surgery until you have the data over the course of the full season to determine whether that surgery was successful.

                One thing that does need to change is the Steelers' policy of not negotiating during the season. This is just plain bad business and puts the Steelers in a disadvantageous position when the free agency period opens. Negotiate during the season while you are in control of the player and can influence him. Don't wait until the feeding frenzy starts because there will always be bad teams with lots of cap space who can outspend you.
                i agree i HATE the no negotiating during the season. why do they do that? do they feel psychologically a player will perform different if he gets an extension during the season? i love the rooneys and wouldnt want any other ownership, but this is the only thing i have a problem with. its just dumb

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                • AngryAsian
                  Hall of Famer
                  • May 2008
                  • 3010

                  #9
                  Re: Steelers on brink of losing key player

                  Why would we give a contract extension to someone with health issues? Not that they've plagued him excessively.... the guy is a solid player but back issues on an aging OL body where leverage and footwork are crucial? Let's see who emerges from the ranks this season and devote the fundage to that guy. Marvel's career is not one that I would call "stellar.".... and he's already squawking about getting a new lease on life elsewhere.

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                  • Shawn
                    Legend
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 15131

                    #10
                    Re: Steelers on brink of losing key player

                    Originally posted by Chadman
                    Actually, chadman agrees with the way the Steelers are doing this. There are question marks over all 3 options at LT- Smith with his back, Starks with his consistancy & Essex with his abilities...

                    Let them play it out & settle on one, or perhaps 2, at the end of the season to keep & let the other walk.

                    Chadman doesn't agree with the assessment of Essex in this article either. Given limited opportunities, Essex has performed well. Add to that his good play at OG this camp, things are looking better for Trai.
                    The Chadman is once again $$$.

                    Listen...Smith is a good LT. But, he has been plagued with injuries much of his career. Most back problems that require surgery are chronic in nature. He could be feeling great then boom...done. He is 30 y/o. Even if he takes a home team discount...he will be very pricey to re-sign. How would you guys feel if he signed a 40 million dollar contract and his surgically repaired back fails him? Smith isn't half the player Faneca was...and we didnt re-sign Faneca. I believe Smith is as good as gone.

                    Lets not get crazy because our OL is struggling. Thats how bad teams conduct their affairs. They let desperation dictate bad policy. Signing Smith for big money long term is not wise.
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                    • RuthlessBurgher
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 33208

                      #11
                      Re: Steelers on brink of losing key player

                      Originally posted by fordfixer
                      The Miami Dolphins gave a five-year, $57.75 million deal -- $30 million is guaranteed -- to left tackle Jake Long, and he hasn't played a down in the NFL.

                      Long's contract is the richest ever for an offensive lineman.

                      Smith could get a deal similar to the one Long -- the first overall pick of the 2008 draft -- signed with the Dolphins.
                      This part of the article is insane. Any team that gives a guy in his 30's with chronic back issues a deal similar to the richest one ever given to an offensive lineman...they would need to have their head examined. Not even Al Davis is that stupid (okay...maybe he is; see the Javon Walker contract).
                      Steeler teams featuring stat-driven, me-first, fantasy-football-darling diva types such as Antonio Brown & Le'Veon Bell won no championships.

                      Super Bowl winning Steeler teams were built around a dynamic, in-your-face defense plus blue-collar, hard-hitting, no-nonsense football players on offense such as Hines Ward & Jerome Bettis.

                      We don't want Juju & Conner to replace what we lost in Brown & Bell.

                      We are counting on Juju & Conner to return us to the glory we once had with Hines & The Bus.

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                      • Shawn
                        Legend
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 15131

                        #12
                        Re: Steelers on brink of losing key player

                        Originally posted by RuthlessBurgher
                        Originally posted by fordfixer
                        The Miami Dolphins gave a five-year, $57.75 million deal -- $30 million is guaranteed -- to left tackle Jake Long, and he hasn't played a down in the NFL.

                        Long's contract is the richest ever for an offensive lineman.

                        Smith could get a deal similar to the one Long -- the first overall pick of the 2008 draft -- signed with the Dolphins.
                        This part of the article is insane. Any team that gives a guy in his 30's with chronic back issues a deal similar to the richest one ever given to an offensive lineman...they would need to have their head examined. Not even Al Davis is that stupid (okay...maybe he is; see the Javon Walker contract).
                        I agree it's insane but that's the NFL. Marvel will demand a HUGE payday. And even at discount prices it's more than the Steelers will want to spend on an aging often hurt LT who is good but not great.
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                        • motter1975

                          #13
                          Re: Steelers on brink of losing key player

                          I gotta agree that Marvel shouldn't get a big huge contract (at least from us), because of his age, health issues, etc. Still think we should at least make an attempt to sign him to a modest extension (which he'll probably reject), because I just don't see where we have anyone to replace him, and I REALLY hope we won't be in a position to draft a left tackle that can come in and start day 1. Any idea about potential free agents that we could get this offseason to take his place, that wouldn't get even bigger money?

                          All I know, is that if he hits the open market, he will be gone, because there's always a bad team out there with plenty of cap space, that is willing to pay mega bucks because they think it will help them win RIGHT NOW. I personally think that's part of the philosophy that makes them bad teams (trying for the NOW instead of trying for consistency over the long term), but that's a whole other topic.

                          And to the person who said that not even Al Davis would be stupid enough to offer that kind of contract, well, I've come to the conclusion that there is NOTHING that Al Davis is not stupid enough to do!!!

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                          • Shawn
                            Legend
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 15131

                            #14
                            Re: Steelers on brink of losing key player

                            Originally posted by motter1975
                            I gotta agree that Marvel shouldn't get a big huge contract (at least from us), because of his age, health issues, etc. Still think we should at least make an attempt to sign him to a modest extension (which he'll probably reject), because I just don't see where we have anyone to replace him, and I REALLY hope we won't be in a position to draft a left tackle that can come in and start day 1. Any idea about potential free agents that we could get this offseason to take his place, that wouldn't get even bigger money?

                            All I know, is that if he hits the open market, he will be gone, because there's always a bad team out there with plenty of cap space, that is willing to pay mega bucks because they think it will help them win RIGHT NOW. I personally think that's part of the philosophy that makes them bad teams (trying for the NOW instead of trying for consistency over the long term), but that's a whole other topic.

                            And to the person who said that not even Al Davis would be stupid enough to offer that kind of contract, well, I've come to the conclusion that there is NOTHING that Al Davis is not stupid enough to do!!!
                            I believe the Steelers are convinced that Essex can replace Smith. He has had a huge camp and looks like he finally "gets it".
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                            • AkronSteel
                              Pro Bowler
                              • May 2008
                              • 1272

                              #15
                              Re: Steelers on brink of losing key player

                              If we let Marvel go who replaces him? I like Trai alot but I'm not confident that he can be the LT of the future for this team. Do we invest a first round pick in a tackle next offseason? What happens if there isn't an LT sitting there at 32 when the team drafts? Is the team willing to risk putting the well being of their 100 million dollar man in the hands of a rookie tackle or Essex or Hills?

                              I hear what everyone is saying regarding Marvels age and health history but, I would like to see this team at least give themselves a little bit of breathing room with this situation. Sign Marvel to a three year deal approaching 28-30 million, guarantee 12 and Marvel will still be able to get a payday in 3 years from another team. He will only be 33 at the time and look at the contract AF got at age 32!

                              I just would feel very uncomfortable with not having experience at LT next year!
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