lets hear from the dixon lovers now

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: lets hear from the dixon lovers now

Leftwich still did little to impress me...

Dixon made a bad decision on the end zone INT, no doubt...

On the pick 6, Sanders ran a lazy route and gave away when he was breaking it off...on top of that, he didn't actually go for the ball...that was a timing route...

While I don't think that Dixon helped himself, I am still in serious doubt about Leftwich's ability to actually help the team...

I agree, and I think Batch played well enough last night to be considered in the equation of the first four games. At this point, Dixon isn't going anywhere, and I am not sure they are keeping all three backups, so it is a question of Lefty or batch. True enough, Batch played against the third teamers, but he made good decisions with the ball and threw a good ball to recievers. Say all you want about Batch being fragile, but he is more movile than Lefty and he took quite a few good hits last night and got right back up. lus, if we cut Lefty, is he really going to get picked up by another team?

Leftwich would get picked up by another team if we cut him. I don't think that Batch would.

[isonator07]

Re: lets hear from the dixon lovers now

Everyone is so worried about our QB scenario that they're not taking a good look at how vanilla our defense looks... starting front seven for an entire half and 3rd/4th string running back scrubs had their way on the ground. Sure Lenwhale has some starting experience, but the Denver OL is a patchwork of individuals not used to playing with each other and they did a good job of muscling our D enough to get the tough yards on the ground as well as pass protect.

As for Dixon... the faster the opposing D's pass rush is, the faster our loss column will tally up hash marks, because Leftwich can't elude anybody. The skill positions will do their jobs... I think our OL and our front 7's ability to apply pressure on opposing QB's will be the crux of our first four games. JMHO.

AA--You are right about the defense. I've been saying it for over a year but everyone just tries to characterize it as me LeBeau bashing versus taking a critical look at the defense. It is obvious schematically that something is wrong. Teams realize that if they get rid of the ball quickly our pass rush is neutralized so they can dink and dunk us all the way down the field because our CBs give up 10 yard completions.

Agreed, bro... its like the OC's have figured out LeBeau's magic and now have the ability to find the holes from both venues of air and ground. Our CB's need work sure, but our pass rush seems not existent and the wall that's suppose to negate running games seems soft. I hope this is remedied or our season will be quite long.

I agree about the D. I think the biggest problem is the cushion we give WR at the line. I'm not gonna pretend to know more than an NFL coach but it seems like a blitzing D would benefit more from jamming the WR. Quick pressure plus tight coverage would make a hot read more difficult IMO.

As for the OP...WTF is wrong with you on this post? What really burns my azz is when Dixon plays well for a couple games people make excuses for why we shouldn't get to excited. Then As soon as he plays poor we want to gloat about it. Isn't it still just one game and lets not over react? Nobody wins here man. I'd rather win then be right.

[Dee Dub]

Re: So I guess it is Leftwich!!!

After Dixon's performance tonight, I for one am not ready to throw him out there on a full time basis for the first 4 weeks. He made some really bad mistakes tonight. Mistakes that will kill ya in the regular season!!! I'm okay with Leftwich.....I was just hoping that Double D would be able to give us that exra dimension. Oh well.....he's just not ready for primetime!! Although I'm sure his nerves were a little high tonight considering this was his one opportunity to show what he's got!

So what is it that you have seen in Byron Leftwich that has you comfortable with him starting? Basically by what you say about Dixon is what you are upholding in Leftwich. Byron Leftwich has done nothing to prove he is the answer at QB. Nothing. But because Dixon failed in his first attempt with the first team you are ok with anointing Leftwich the starter? Ok that makes sense.

Isnt Akron where LeBron James is from?? OK..now I get it.

[Dee Dub]

Re: QB competition is over

Now you can see why Lefty was brought back.....

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh....no....I am not seeing it. Where is that at? Is that in this??

B. Leftwich 0/4 0 0.0 0 0 39.6

[papillon]

Re: So I guess it is Leftwich!!!

After Dixon's performance tonight, I for one am not ready to throw him out there on a full time basis for the first 4 weeks. He made some really bad mistakes tonight. Mistakes that will kill ya in the regular season!!! I'm okay with Leftwich.....I was just hoping that Double D would be able to give us that exra dimension. Oh well.....he's just not ready for primetime!! Although I'm sure his nerves were a little high tonight considering this was his one opportunity to show what he's got!

So what is it that you have seen in Byron Leftwich that has you comfortable with him starting? Basically by what you say about Dixon is what you are upholding in Leftwich. Byron Leftwich has done nothing to prove he is the answer at QB. Nothing. But because Dixon failed in his first attempt with the first team you are ok with anointing Leftwich the starter? Ok that makes sense.

Isnt Akron where LeBron James is from?? OK..now I get it.

How would you grade Dixon on last night's performance? Leftwich was no better, but he does bring more experience to the table and that could be enough to get the Steelers through the first 4 games. Actually, Batch played the best, but it was against players that won't be on an NFL roster after Tuesday.

Pappy

[Slapstick]

Re: lets hear from the dixon lovers now

I think Lolley has it right...both QBs should get playing time...forcing teams to prepare for both will be a pain for opponents...especially early in the season...

Of course, there is no way to prepare for #7...

[MCHammer]

Re: lets hear from the dixon lovers now

So what is it that you have seen in Byron Leftwich that has you comfortable with him starting? Basically by what you say about Dixon is what you are upholding in Leftwich. Byron Leftwich has done nothing to prove he is the answer at QB. Nothing. But because Dixon failed in his first attempt with the first team you are ok with anointing Leftwich the starter? Ok that makes sense.

Leftwich didn't throw a pick 6.

We can't afford to lose games while Dixon learns the ropes. That's what it boils down to for me anyway. Now there are no guarantees that Leftwich won't lose as many or more games than Dixon would, but all things considered he is less likely to make major mental mistakes due to his experience.

I'm all for using Dixon situationally and hopefully he'll be able to contribute even if Leftwich is the starter. But at the end of the day, Leftwich's lack of mobility is probably a lesser handicap than Dixon's lack of experience reading defenses and making throwing decisions.

[Dee Dub]

Re: So I guess it is Leftwich!!!

How would you grade Dixon on last night's performance? Leftwich was no better, but he does bring more experience to the table and that could be enough to get the Steelers through the first 4 games. Actually, Batch played the best, but it was against players that won't be on an NFL roster after Tuesday.

Pappy

Well Dixon's performance last night wasnt great. But I still think that he will give the Steelers more of a chance to win than Leftwich. All QB's make mistakes....but not all QB's have the ability to make plays. Dixon does...and I do not believe that at this stage in Leftwich's career...he can make plays.

[phillyesq]

Re: So I guess it is Leftwich!!!

How would you grade Dixon on last night's performance? Leftwich was no better, but he does bring more experience to the table and that could be enough to get the Steelers through the first 4 games. Actually, Batch played the best, but it was against players that won't be on an NFL roster after Tuesday.

Pappy

Well Dixon's performance last night wasnt great. But I still think that he will give the Steelers more of a chance to win than Leftwich. All QB's make mistakes....but not all QB's have the ability to make plays. Dixon does...and I do not believe that at this stage in Leftwich's career...he can make plays.

Yes, all QBs make mistakes, but they don't all make the same amount of mistakes. Last night, Dixon made very costly mistakes.

Leftwich may not win games for the Steelers, but I don't think he'll lose them. Dixon has the potential to lose games.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Re: lets hear from the dixon lovers now

So what is it that you have seen in Byron Leftwich that has you comfortable with him starting? Basically by what you say about Dixon is what you are upholding in Leftwich. Byron Leftwich has done nothing to prove he is the answer at QB. Nothing. But because Dixon failed in his first attempt with the first team you are ok with anointing Leftwich the starter? Ok that makes sense.

Leftwich didn't throw a pick 6.

We can't afford to lose games while Dixon learns the ropes. That's what it boils down to for me anyway. Now there are no guarantees that Leftwich won't lose as many or more games than Dixon would, but all things considered he is less likely to make major mental mistakes due to his experience.

I'm all for using Dixon situationally and hopefully he'll be able to contribute even if Leftwich is the starter. But at the end of the day, Leftwich's lack of mobility is probably a lesser handicap than Dixon's lack of experience reading defenses and making throwing decisions.

, in my mind this is what it boils down to.

...All QB's make mistakes....but not all QB's have the ability to make plays. Dixon does...

Agreed, but IMO Dixon is more likely to "give away" plays (read pic) than Lefty. This is just based on his apparently poor decision making from yesterday. He has more upside than Lefty, almost certainly, but I don't want him to develop that during the 1st 4 (5?) games if we don't have to. Having him come in situationally during these first games sounds good, but after last night I'm not as comfortable with him starting as I am Lefty.

And this is coming from someone who has stated on the record multiple times before that he is really uncomfortable with Lefty starting.

[Dee Dub]

Re: lets hear from the dixon lovers now

We can't afford to lose games while Dixon learns the ropes. That's what it boils down to for me anyway. Now there are no guarantees that Leftwich won't lose as many or more games than Dixon would, but all things considered he is less likely to make major mental mistakes due to his experience.

I'm all for using Dixon situationally and hopefully he'll be able to contribute even if Leftwich is the starter. But at the end of the day, Leftwich's lack of mobility is probably a lesser handicap than Dixon's lack of experience reading defenses and making throwing decisions.

The Steelers won games while Ben was learning the ropes. Why cant they do that when Dixon is? Let’s make no mistake here..for Dixon the Steelers need to curtail the offense in a way that is manageable. Just like they did for Ben. This team needs to find other ways to win these first 4 games. Thinking that it is going to come from the QB is wrong.

[cruzer8]

Re: lets hear from the dixon lovers now

We can't afford to lose games while Dixon learns the ropes. That's what it boils down to for me anyway. Now there are no guarantees that Leftwich won't lose as many or more games than Dixon would, but all things considered he is less likely to make major mental mistakes due to his experience.

I'm all for using Dixon situationally and hopefully he'll be able to contribute even if Leftwich is the starter. But at the end of the day, Leftwich's lack of mobility is probably a lesser handicap than Dixon's lack of experience reading defenses and making throwing decisions.

The Steelers won games while Ben was learning the ropes. Why cant they do that when Dixon is? Let’s make no mistake here..for Dixon the Steelers need to curtail the offense in a way that is manageable. Just like they did for Ben. This team needs to find other ways to win these first 4 games. Thinking that it is going to come from the QB is wrong.

Ben was a rookie. Dixon has been in this offense for a few years now. He's been in the meetings, the practices, the OTAs, the film sessions and so on.

That's the difference.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Re: lets hear from the dixon lovers now

^^ I may be wrong, but I think the real difference is ability, not so much duration on the team, etc.

[proudpittsburgher]

Re: lets hear from the dixon lovers now

We can't afford to lose games while Dixon learns the ropes. That's what it boils down to for me anyway. Now there are no guarantees that Leftwich won't lose as many or more games than Dixon would, but all things considered he is less likely to make major mental mistakes due to his experience.

I'm all for using Dixon situationally and hopefully he'll be able to contribute even if Leftwich is the starter. But at the end of the day, Leftwich's lack of mobility is probably a lesser handicap than Dixon's lack of experience reading defenses and making throwing decisions.

The Steelers won games while Ben was learning the ropes. Why cant they do that when Dixon is? Let’s make no mistake here..for Dixon the Steelers need to curtail the offense in a way that is manageable. Just like they did for Ben. This team needs to find other ways to win these first 4 games. Thinking that it is going to come from the QB is wrong.

Totally different scenario. Ben was being groomed to take over the offense. Dixon isn't. You ar willing to lose a few games to benefit the longterm committment of your franchise QB. In this scenario, we are lookign for the best guy to start against the Falcons, Titans, bucs and Ravens. Period

[MCHammer]

Re: lets hear from the dixon lovers now

Dee, I hear what you're saying but Ben was drafted to be the qb of the future for this franchise and was unexpectedly thrust into a starting role early. The Steelers didn't really have much of a choice and Ben had an unheard of winning streak as a rookie. Dixon, on the other hand, was drafted to be a project/back up qb and he hasn't exactly developed as quickly as was hoped.

2 superbowls later, our focus as a team right now is getting through the first 4 games until Ben can come back. Developing Dixon should not really enter into that equation IMO. I could be wrong and may be proven so, but the Steeler's best bet is to rely on an aggressive defense and mistake free offense to get us to game 5 with a .500 or better record.