Thoughts??? Preseason Game 2

[Crash]

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Who ignores it? Are you really that sensitive and that juvenile that you need to remind fans that Ben has thrown the ball to Wallace before?

Not just Wallace. Ben and his supposedly "bad deep ball" has been a criticism he's had in his entire Steelers career.

It's wrong. It's ridiculous. And frankly I'm tired of hearing it.

[feltdizz]

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[quote=stlrz d]

When people say Mendenhall needs to protect the ball are they hating?

Saying Ben should not have attempted that pass is not hating. It was a very difficult throw.

Saying Ben can't throw the ball deep is not true, and therefore, is hating. Or a complete lack of understanding what one is seeing. Take your pick.

I didn't read where he shouldn't have thrown it but he clearly underthrew him.

And Ben clearly stated that the ball came out of his hand wrong. Anyone watching could see that ball fluttering around. Ben doesn't throw passes that flutter that badly normally so it's clear he didn't release it properly.

I know you feel as though you have the correct answer to all of this but you can't correct it with words. The ball has to come out faster so those TD's aren't INT's.

And that is a TIMING issue, not an under throwing issue. Under throwing indicates a lack of arm strength. That is not an issue for Ben. His arm is plenty strong.

That was a broken play and Ben was scrambling to buy time. To expect a guy to make a difficult throw like that accurately every time is simply a fantasy.

Crash - That is the truth. When he throws a good deep ball on time it either goes unnoticed or people say stupid things like, "It's about time". [/quote:1d2fgv69]

if Ben throws a deep ball and the WR has to come back for it or turn into the defender it's UNDERTHROWN.

You can call it timing but it wasn't a timing pattern. Ben broke the pocket and threw deep and it was underthrown. While it was a difficult pass it is one he attempts more than a few times and we have all witnessed the majority of them being UNDERTHROWN.

Lefty had no problem getting it there... he dnt throw it earlier either he just threw it further than Wallace. If Ben can only hit Wallace if he grows it earlier than maybe he shouldn't attempt that pass when Wallace is that far down field and he is on the run. I knew as soon as that pass was UNDERTHROWN you would get all hot and bothered on here.

You can keep holding onto your timing definition but it still goes in the books as an INT and it's unfortunate because that was a sure TD.

[feltdizz]

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Who ignores it? Are you really that sensitive and that juvenile that you need to remind fans that Ben has thrown the ball to Wallace before?

Not just Wallace. Ben and his supposedly "bad deep ball" has been a criticism he's had in his entire Steelers career.

It's wrong. It's ridiculous. And frankly I'm tired of hearing it.

fans are tired of seeing guys wide open and underthrown too. Doesn't mean they hate Ben but it's obvious his deep ball is late, weak, underthrown, untimed... etc. Ben has a big arm but on deep passes he has a tendency to wind up and come up short. How many times has Ben overthrown a bomb? Not too many...

If you are sick of hearing about it you may not want to come on here after he underthrows a wide open WR because someone will talk about it.

[grotonsteel]

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Who ignores it? Are you really that sensitive and that juvenile that you need to remind fans that Ben has thrown the ball to Wallace before?

Not just Wallace. Ben and his supposedly "bad deep ball" has been a criticism he's had in his entire Steelers career.

It's wrong. It's ridiculous. And frankly I'm tired of hearing it.

fans are tired of seeing guys wide open and underthrown too. Doesn't mean they hate Ben but it's obvious his deep ball is late, weak, underthrown, untimed... etc. Ben has a big arm but on deep passes he has a tendency to wind up and come up short. How many times has Ben overthrown a bomb? Not too many...

If you are sick of hearing about it you may not want to come on here after he underthrows a wide open WR because someone will talk about it.

There are two ways to look at it...at what point did Wallace break free of the CB. If its 20 yards down the field Big Ben hits him in his stride. If he is getting free after 5 min and 60 yards...no way Big Ben can't hit him in stride..

I don't have issues throwing an INT on deep passes. Its like a Punt. Also the DB made a great play unfortunately our CBs can never do that.

Another thing to notice..Big Ben threw that pass on a run/backfoot whereas Byron threw it from pocket under no pressure.

[blacknblue80s]

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it still goes in the books as an INT and it's unfortunate because that was a sure TD.

Sure touchdown!?

That would have most likely been a sack if it were Lefty. Lefty also grossly underthrew what truly was a sure TD against the Lions.

IMO, the reason Ben throws short at times is because he is usually in the process of creating a play out of a sure sack. The receivers run out of field while Ben is scrambling and Ben tries to throw it where he gives his receiver the best chance to make a play on the ball. When (and if) given 3+ seconds in the pocket, Ben will hit Wallace in stride.

[grotonsteel]

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it still goes in the books as an INT and it's unfortunate because that was a sure TD.

Sure touchdown!?

That would have most likely been a sack if it were Lefty. Lefty also grossly underthrew what truly was a sure TD against the Lions.

IMO, the reason Ben throws short at times is because he is usually in the process of creating a play out of a sure sack. The receivers run out of field while Ben is scrambling and Ben tries to throw it where he gives his receiver the best chance to make a play on the ball. When (and if) given 3+ seconds in the pocket, Ben will hit Wallace in stride.

[NJ-STEELER]

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its a BS obsevation anyway.

i dont see many top wideouts hit in thier stride either. i more or less see the ball get to a spot not in stride and the WR has to stop and fight to get the ball. moss, fitz, c johnson and guys like them get that ball cause of their height advantage. its a big part of being a good receiver to win those battles

i think wallace does a good job of that as well. last night the corner made a good play to shield him off

[Crash]

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Lefty had no problem getting it there

Lefty was also not throwing on the run like Ben was.

Where was Lefty's no problem last week when he underthrew Wallace for a TD? There have also been a few camp reports that he has underthrown Wallace there as well.

[feltdizz]

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It's not the end of the world but it was definitely a discussion this offseason. Lefty did underthow Wallace but he was hit while throwing it. He definitely made sure not to underthrow him the last game. Then again, maybe Lefty threw it late and didn't underthrow him.

I think a lot of QB's underthrew to Moss because they could... Wallace is not good at going up and fighting for the ball but he is one of the best at outrunning coverage. Throw t out there and let him go get it. While he led the league in YPC last year he was also open on at least 10 other plays where the ball was underthrown.

I don't expect perfection but a weapon like him has to have the ball put o there early. Good things can happen when you throw to him early.

[Crash]

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Lefty did underthow Wallace but he was hit while throwing it

And Ben was hit in Chicago last year throwing to Wallace. Pick.

And Ben was hit in KC while he threw and then Wallace fumbled.

Ben has RARELY had time to just set his feet, and let one go for Wallace. When he has? It's a big play, drop, or a TD.

Just like it was for Holmes. Just like it was for Washington. Just like it was for Plax.

[feltdizz]

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Lefty had no problem getting it there

Lefty was also not throwing on the run like Ben was.

Where was Lefty's no problem last week when he underthrew Wallace for a TD? There have also been a few camp reports that he has underthrown Wallace there as well.

He underthrew him once in camp and said it would never happen again. Not sure if he has or hasn't since that quote. Not sure what Ben throwing on the run has to do with anything... if he made the throw we all cheer. He didn't so we wonder if the problem of underthrowing Wallace has been corrected like some say it was.

He underthrew Wallace. Why make excuses for it?

[feltdizz]

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Lefty did underthow Wallace but he was hit while throwing it

And Ben was hit in Chicago last year throwing to Wallace. Pick.

And Ben was hit in KC while he threw and then Wallace fumbled.

Ben has RARELY had time to just set his feet, and let one go for Wallace. When he has? It's a big play, drop, or a TD.

Just like it was for Holmes. Just like it was for Washington. Just like it was for Plax.

Not true... sometimes he hits his WR's on deep passes and sometimes he underthrows them on deep passes.

Ben is a very good QB but you make it sound like he never underthrows a WR when he has time. Sounds like Ben is perfect and everyone else is to blame.

[Crash]

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Not sure what Ben throwing on the run has to do with anything

Then you shouldn't be in this discussion.

[Crash]

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Not true... sometimes he hits his WR's on deep passes and sometimes he underthrows them on deep passes.

Very good.

But unfortunately, Ben's success with the deep ball is very under-appreciated by fans and media alike.

When Gerry Dulac claims that pass by Leftwich may be the first time Wallace was not underthrown since he's been here? That's a joke statement.

[JPbucco]

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I see "Stevie Sly" is catching on....nice.