So Why is Santana Treated So Differently?

[Sugar]

Re: So Why is Santana Treated So Differently?

I didn't say she was a minor

Um, "underage" only counts if you were talking about the drinking where you have to be 21. By law, she's not underage for sexual activity the moment she turned 18. She'd been "of age" for at least two full years.

why would I be talking about anything else? She is 20.. we all know she is 20 and the underage drinking was cited as a major problem...

damn guys... it's like you are dumbing yourselves down

what else would I be talking about? Like I just wrote.. I didn't say she was a minor (under the legal age for sexual activity)

Um, I was only quoting the original post where it specifically mentions "public sexual activities with an underage chick." It doesn't say anything drinking in the quote, but it does mention sexual activities. Am I "dumbing myself down" by clarifying based on the original quote?

Yes. You are dumbing yourself down.

You know her age, you know she was drinking "underage" and had sexual activity... and you quoted me after I clearly responded I didn't say she was a minor...

Yes... you dumbed yourself down. Get up.

Dude- you said that she was underage for sexual activities, not drinking. I quoted YOU!!! The problem is that she WAS NOT "underage" for sexual activities.

[feltdizz]

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She was 20.. you know it, I know, everyone knows it. Underage refers to drinking. I clarified it with the statement "I didn't say sex with a minor"

Get up dude...

[Captain Lemming]

Re: So Why is Santana Treated So Differently?

It's not about guilt, it's about player conduct and damaging the NFL brand.

Vincent Jackson is one of the premier WR's in this league, he also has three convictions since 2006, including TWO for DUI. And he hasn't been suspended.

So don't talk to me about "player conduct and damaging the NFL brand" as long as black, and the twice convicted of DUI Vincent Jackson plays, and the white, uncharged Ben sits.

Dizz,

Crash is absolutely right. If Bens suspension werent driven by race, why are so many other white players victims of Goodells vendetta against Caucasian players?

If it were just Ben, sure you could argue a number of motivations. But in view of the pattern and the WAVE of unjust suspensions, Goodells self hating war to rid the NFL of white players is obvious.

Of course "I" personally cant name specific players. But Crash is a virtual machine of knowledge, and can list the huge number of unjustly suspended players at a moments notice.

[Captain Lemming]

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I have another theory. Crash is right. It IS about RACE. But in a different way.

Ben hangs out with black guys too much. Goodell is making a statement about Ben's association.
White players will be hit hard only if they get into trouble while hanging out with black guys.

Closet klanner, Goodell dont tolerate no race mixin.

How do I know this? No white player has been punished so severely as Ben has been.

(OK I know this makes no sense but it is the only way I can both blame race and explain why it only applies to Ben.)

[ter1230_4]

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Laugh as much as you want Captain Lemming, but Crash is right that race played a part in the disparate treatment that Roethliberger has been subjected to. I'm not going to go back and dig up the columns, but opinions were expressed that blacks were watching closely to see whether he would be subjected to discipline, and those opinions were particularly strong on message boards. I don't think that race was one of the three strongest reasons that Roethlisberger is the only NFL player to be suspended without ever having been arrested, but it was certainly a factor in the mob mentality that lead Goodell the POS to suspend Roethlisberger.

Feltdizz, since you think I'm wasting megabytes by comparing Big Ben to the way that a baseball player has been treated under similar circumstances, it has been reported on ESPN that despite having pleaded guilty to assault the NFL has decided that Braylon Edwards will not be suspended. Your mission, should you accept it, is to cogently explain why an NFL player who has never been arrested is suspended for 4-6 games while anorher NFL player who has been convicted of assault is not suspended for any games.

[hawaiiansteel]

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Laugh as much as you want Captain Lemming, but Crash is right that race played a part in the disparate treatment that Roethliberger has been subjected to. I'm not going to go back and dig up the columns, but opinions were expressed that blacks were watching closely to see whether he would be subjected to discipline, and those opinions were particularly strong on message boards. I don't think that race was one of the three strongest reasons that Roethlisberger is the only NFL player to be suspended without ever having been arrested, but it was certainly a factor in the mob mentality that lead Goodell the POS to suspend Roethlisberger.

Feltdizz, since you think I'm wasting megabytes by comparing Big Ben to the way that a baseball player has been treated under similar circumstances, it has been reported on ESPN that despite having pleaded guilty to assault the NFL has decided that Braylon Edwards will not be suspended. Your mission, should you accept it, is to cogently explain why an NFL player who has never been arrested is suspended for 4-6 games while anorher NFL player who has been convicted of assault is not suspended for any games.

don't you know that by Roger God-ell's way of thinking that two false accusations which don't even result in charges let alone convictions are six games worse than an actual conviction?

[Captain Lemming]

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Laugh as much as you want Captain Lemming, but Crash is right that race played a part in the disparate treatment that Roethliberger has been subjected to. I'm not going to go back and dig up the columns, but opinions were expressed that blacks were watching closely to see whether he would be subjected to discipline, and those opinions were particularly strong on message boards. I don't think that race was one of the three strongest reasons that Roethlisberger is the only NFL player to be suspended without ever having been arrested, but it was certainly a factor in the mob mentality that lead Goodell the POS to suspend Roethlisberger.

I never denied that certain members of the media acted as Crash said they did. They did make stupid comment comparing Ben to "convicted" players of color. My point is that who cares what they said. The same people also demanded the Rooneys give Ben the boot because Santonio got tossed.

I have read commentary from media OF ALL RACES, basically convicting Ben because he was accused more than once. A large part of the population think he is a rapist as a result which is a much bigger deal than race.

Your comment imply that Goodell relutanly gave in to pressure.

Goodell WANTS to make an example out of this high profile athlete, and Rooney basically said go for it.

Goddell can make an example of Ben with NO team resistance.

Like I told Crash, until there is a pattern with multiple white people being suspended, you cannot just assume it is about race.

[Crash]

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The same people also demanded the Rooneys give Ben the boot because Santonio got tossed.

And that just shows their ignorance even more. I would bet MOST of the NON-Pittsburgh based media and fans who said that had no idea that Holmes had been arrested three times and failed one drug test and the Steelers still kept him.

Only after being investigated for another incident and failing another drug test was Holmes shown the door.

People want Ben treated like Holmes? Fine.

Then they need to stop calling for the Rooney's to trade him.

By all means, give the UNCHARGED NEVER ARRESTED BEN the same leeway Holmes got for four years.

[grotonsteel]

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"If you think guys fighting is worse than public sexual activities with an underage chick AFTER being accused of rape a year earlier that is your opinion"

So you think beating people in a strip club is less worse than a sl*t accusing Big Ben of sexual activity? I guess in your book Pac Man Jones is a better man than Big Ben.

Big Ben was not even charged. Police did not find enough DNA to prosecute Big Ben. He was accused of some sexual activity by a DTF drunk girl. Being accused does not mean guilty.

[grotonsteel]

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Laugh as much as you want Captain Lemming, but Crash is right that race played a part in the disparate treatment that Roethliberger has been subjected to. I'm not going to go back and dig up the columns, but opinions were expressed that blacks were watching closely to see whether he would be subjected to discipline, and those opinions were particularly strong on message boards. I don't think that race was one of the three strongest reasons that Roethlisberger is the only NFL player to be suspended without ever having been arrested, but it was certainly a factor in the mob mentality that lead Goodell the POS to suspend Roethlisberger.

Feltdizz, since you think I'm wasting megabytes by comparing Big Ben to the way that a baseball player has been treated under similar circumstances, it has been reported on ESPN that despite having pleaded guilty to assault the NFL has decided that Braylon Edwards will not be suspended. Your mission, should you accept it, is to cogently explain why an NFL player who has never been arrested is suspended for 4-6 games while anorher NFL player who has been convicted of assault is not suspended for any games.

don't you know that by Roger God-ell's way of thinking that two false accusations which don't even result in charges let alone convictions are six games worse than an actual conviction?

Roger Goodell lost all my faith the way he handled the Cheatroits. How can anyone burn the evidence?? The special treatment he gives to Krafts, Al Davis or Jerry Jones of the league is really questionable. I think he needs to suck theses organization's d*&K for getting CBA done IMO.

Since Rooneys recommended Goodell, the commish does not give a damn about Rooneys.

[grotonsteel]

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Dude- you said that she was underage for sexual activities, not drinking. I quoted YOU!!! The problem is that she WAS NOT "underage" for sexual activities.

Well that's what I thought initially.

[stlrz d]

Re: So Why is Santana Treated So Differently?

[quote=Captain Lemming]

Laugh as much as you want Captain Lemming, but Crash is right that race played a part in the disparate treatment that Roethliberger has been subjected to. I'm not going to go back and dig up the columns, but opinions were expressed that blacks were watching closely to see whether he would be subjected to discipline, and those opinions were particularly strong on message boards. I don't think that race was one of the three strongest reasons that Roethlisberger is the only NFL player to be suspended without ever having been arrested, but it was certainly a factor in the mob mentality that lead Goodell the POS to suspend Roethlisberger.

I never denied that certain members of the media acted as Crash said they did. They did make stupid comment comparing Ben to "convicted" players of color. My point is that who cares what they said. The same people also demanded the Rooneys give Ben the boot because Santonio got tossed.

I have read commentary from media OF ALL RACES, basically convicting Ben because he was accused more than once. A large part of the population think he is a rapist as a result which is a much bigger deal than race.

Your comment imply that Goodell relutanly gave in to pressure.

Goodell WANTS to make an example out of this high profile athlete, and Rooney basically said go for it.

Goddell can make an example of Ben with NO team resistance.

Like I told Crash, until there is a pattern with multiple white people being suspended, you cannot just assume it is about race.[/quote:39cazj8t]

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