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Good BTSC article on Hoge 2 parts - fairly long or I'd post it- here are the links.
[url="http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20"]http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20[/url] ... n-talks-at
[url="http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20"]http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20[/url] ... h-steelers
[url="http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20"]http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20[/url] ... n-talks-at
[url="http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20"]http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/20[/url] ... h-steelers