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  • The Standard
    Backup
    • Mar 2025
    • 246

    #16
    McCord in round 1? Pay Donte Jackson? Lord Almighty.

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    • steeler_fan_in_t.o.
      Legend
      • May 2008
      • 10281

      #17
      Originally posted by Northern_Blitz

      The unfortunate thing is that you pretty much need someone as gifted as Ben to have real success in the NFL.
      And/Or you need a team that is as set as the 2004 Steelers were. A great D, veteran leadership on both sides of the ball, a solid veteran OL, a workhorse RB to take pressure off the rookie QB. I'm a huge fan of Ben, and believe that his abilities would thrive in almost any situation, but he is not close to the QB we know him to be if he is in KP's shoes.

      I hated the KP pick, but I hated the way he was "developed" even more. He started off behind a vet, which I was fine with, but he should have been on his own timeline. He could have made his debut to start the season after being prepared by taking snaps during TC and PS. He could have debuted after the bye after getting a full extra week of practise snaps. I wouldn't have been as upset even if he sat the year and entered TC the next year as the proposed starter. The one thing that should have never happened is getting thrown in at halftime of a game you're losing because the other guy wet the bed, and the coach was hearing noise. It should have been about Pickett being ready, not Trubisky losing the job.

      I don't know how I went off on this rant, but Pickett was dealt every bad card in the deck from the time he was drafted. His failure couldn't have been scripted any better.

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      • Northern_Blitz
        Legend
        • Dec 2008
        • 24373

        #18
        Originally posted by steeler_fan_in_t.o.

        And/Or you need a team that is as set as the 2004 Steelers were. A great D, veteran leadership on both sides of the ball, a solid veteran OL, a workhorse RB to take pressure off the rookie QB. I'm a huge fan of Ben, and believe that his abilities would thrive in almost any situation, but he is not close to the QB we know him to be if he is in KP's shoes.

        I hated the KP pick, but I hated the way he was "developed" even more. He started off behind a vet, which I was fine with, but he should have been on his own timeline. He could have made his debut to start the season after being prepared by taking snaps during TC and PS. He could have debuted after the bye after getting a full extra week of practise snaps. I wouldn't have been as upset even if he sat the year and entered TC the next year as the proposed starter. The one thing that should have never happened is getting thrown in at halftime of a game you're losing because the other guy wet the bed, and the coach was hearing noise. It should have been about Pickett being ready, not Trubisky losing the job.

        I don't know how I went off on this rant, but Pickett was dealt every bad card in the deck from the time he was drafted. His failure couldn't have been scripted any better.
        Makes sense to me. I wasn't all that excited about the Kenny pick, but I didn't hate it. I thought it was a reasonable bet, even though most QBs fail. I would have hated it if we traded up for him.

        With Ben we had the best of both worlds. A highly talented guy on a highly talented team. Currently, SF is in a situation something like this re: great team around a QB (who isn't anywhere near Ben's level IMO).

        I think Kenny should have started after the bye. But I don't think it would have made much of a difference.

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        • SteelerOfDeVille
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 9069

          #19
          Originally posted by hawaiiansteel

          There's competition for Justin Fields' services from teams like the Raiders and NY Jets.

          That alone means Fields will command at least anywhere from $15-20 million a year.
          This. I’m thinking closer to $15, but knowing others are interested *could* drive the price higher than that

          2013 MNF Executive Champion!

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          • Joel Buchsbaum
            Legend
            • Jan 2021
            • 7744

            #20
            Originally posted by SteelerOfDeVille
            This. I’m thinking closer to $15, but knowing others are interested *could* drive the price higher than that
            Why pay a QB 15 million or more a year the fumbles often struggles the pass the ball? Why???

            Draft a QB in round or or two. I predict the run on QB's will start earlier than the " media " thinks.
            Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

            Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

            *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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            • Northern_Blitz
              Legend
              • Dec 2008
              • 24373

              #21
              Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum

              Why pay a QB 15 million or more a year the fumbles often struggles the pass the ball? Why???

              Draft a QB in round or or two. I predict the run on QB's will start earlier than the " media " thinks.
              Didn't you want to pay Mason $20MM last season?

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              • Northern_Blitz
                Legend
                • Dec 2008
                • 24373

                #22
                Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum

                Why pay a QB 15 million or more a year the fumbles often struggles the pass the ball? Why???

                Draft a QB in round or or two. I predict the run on QB's will start earlier than the " media " thinks.
                From the end of last season, I was thinking that if there's interest from other teams that Wilson would get something close to $30MM/year and Fields would get ~ $20MM/year (maybe even more including unlikely to be earned bonuses).

                We'll see how wrong I end up being once contracts start getting signed.

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                • Joel Buchsbaum
                  Legend
                  • Jan 2021
                  • 7744

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Northern_Blitz

                  Didn't you want to pay Mason $20MM last season?
                  His maket value was not that. But yes I wanted him back as a bridge QB in 2024.

                  He played better his last three games as a starter for us than Wilson or Fields did. So....
                  Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                  Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                  *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                  • hawaiiansteel
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 35648

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum

                    His maket value was not that. But yes I wanted him back as a bridge QB in 2024.

                    He played better his last three games as a starter for us than Wilson or Fields did. So....
                    Really?

                    Let's take a look at Mason's last 3 games this past season:

                    Week 16 vs Colts - threw 3 interceptions in a loss
                    Week 17 vs Jaguars - 193 yds passing, another interception in a loss
                    Week 18 vs. Texans - benched in favor of Will Levis

                    So.....

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                    • Northern_Blitz
                      Legend
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 24373

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum

                      His maket value was not that. But yes I wanted him back as a bridge QB in 2024.

                      He played better his last three games as a starter for us than Wilson or Fields did. So....
                      I think many of us were well aware that Mason's market value would be much less than $20MM even before he signed.

                      FWIW, I think Fields is a lot harder to put a value on. Unlike Mason, he probably is an NFL starter. And since both the UFA group and the draft class this year aren't viewed as all that good, a young very-athletic QB on the UFA market is probably going to get a significant offer.

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                      • Joel Buchsbaum
                        Legend
                        • Jan 2021
                        • 7744

                        #26
                        Originally posted by hawaiiansteel

                        Really?

                        Let's take a look at Mason's last 3 games this past season:

                        Week 16 vs Colts - threw 3 interceptions in a loss
                        Week 17 vs Jaguars - 193 yds passing, another interception in a loss
                        Week 18 vs. Texans - benched in favor of Will Levis

                        So.....
                        For us. His last three starts. Yep.
                        Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                        Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                        *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                        • NorthCoast
                          Legend
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 26636

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum

                          Why pay a QB 15 million or more a year the fumbles often struggles the pass the ball? Why???

                          Draft a QB in round or or two. I predict the run on QB's will start earlier than the " media " thinks.
                          Any QB within reach for Steelers in this draft is NOT a day 1 starter. He will need coaching and mentoring. So who is doing the mentoring? Skylar Thompson? LOL.

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