I always knew a "running QB" could win a SB

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  • feltdizz
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    • May 2008
    • 27532

    I always knew a "running QB" could win a SB

    Some on here said it couldn't happen even though QB's like Hurts, Cam and Kap were 1 or 2 plays away from winning a SB.

    Just a matter of time. The game has changed and being able to pass AND run is a net positive.
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  • hawaiiansteel
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    • May 2008
    • 35648

    #2
    And we passed on drafting Hurts so we could take Chase Claypool instead.

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    • NorthCoast
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      • Sep 2008
      • 26636

      #3
      When you have the lines the Eagles have you can pretty much do anything you want to win the game.

      This writer got it right, before the SB kickoff:

      “The Eagles are built to beat the Chiefs. They seize control of games with Saquon Barkley and a run-oriented offense that helped lead the NFL in time of possession margin,” says Brooks Kubena, who covers the Eagles for The Athletic. “They haven’t turned the ball over yet in the playoffs with Jalen Hurts embracing a more conservative role in the pocket, and they leverage this security against a top-ranked defense that’s forced 10 turnovers in three playoff games. If they play to their strengths, they’ll be up two scores with less than two minutes to go. And that’s the only time they know Patrick Mahomes can’t kill them.”

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      • Northern_Blitz
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        • Dec 2008
        • 24373

        #4
        Come on Felt. You know how this works.

        It's not possible for a running QB to win a SB.

        Hurts has won a SB.

        Therefore he is not a running QB (anymore).

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        • T.Ferguson
          Pro Bowler
          • Sep 2021
          • 2377

          #5
          I'll be honest and I like Hurts, he's a good guy, but I didn't think he looked good most of the game. His stats were really good and I'm glad he won the SB but a lot of his passes were late and underthrown, his arm strength is a little questionable.

          I think this is a case of a team being so loaded and so well coached that it carried some questionable QB play. The Eagles defense should've won MVP tbh, if not them then the Eagles O-line because they gave Hurts an eon to throw the ball on almost every pass.

          I knew right away that the Chiefs were in trouble when Hurts was just sitting back there with all the time in the world. Compare that to the Bills game where Allen barely had any time to throw it on most plays. Big impact on QB play.

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          • WindyCitySteel
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            • Nov 2011
            • 15684

            #6
            But he’ll need a supporting cast like Philly’s to do it. Tougher road to hoe having to make sure you’re elite at almost every position group, but Philly has pulled that off the last few years.

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            • WindyCitySteel
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              • Nov 2011
              • 15684

              #7
              Originally posted by T.Ferguson
              I'll be honest and I like Hurts, he's a good guy, but I didn't think he looked good most of the game. His stats were really good and I'm glad he won the SB but a lot of his passes were late and underthrown, his arm strength is a little questionable.

              I think this is a case of a team being so loaded and so well coached that it carried some questionable QB play. The Eagles defense should've won MVP tbh, if not them then the Eagles O-line because they gave Hurts an eon to throw the ball on almost every pass.

              I knew right away that the Chiefs were in trouble when Hurts was just sitting back there with all the time in the world. Compare that to the Bills game where Allen barely had any time to throw it on most plays. Big impact on QB play.
              Yeah, the Steelers are going to try this with Fields and they don’t have near the supporting cast nor the ability or will to assemble it.

              Not to mention the coordinators.

              We’re light years away from teams like KC and Philly right now.

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              • Eich
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                • Jul 2010
                • 7044

                #8
                I've always thought that any decent QB CAN win the Super Bowl. Look at Nick Foles. Look at Trent Dilfer. If you have the supporting cast, you can do it. Even Hurts said last night, that defense wins super bowls. That was very much true yesterday, even though he won MVP. That defense just humiliated KC into submission. It wasn't even as "close" as the lopsided score showed. I've NEVER seen Mahomes so uncomfortable for a full 60 minutes of game play. The Eagles won that game in the trenches, with a very good supporting cast all around.

                What I've also always said is that I don't want a QB who's best (or worse... ONLY) skill is running. I've defined a "Running QB" as a QB who's first instinct is to run and who lacks the ability to make all the throws. Hurts is better than that. The dude can throw the ball and throw it well. He just doesn't throw it often, because he doesn't need to. The Eagles are built to play a different game.

                In the beginning of his career, I thought Lamar was going to be a "running QB". But he's proven he can throw the ball and throw it extremely well. The only thing he hasn't proven yet, is that he can play mistake-free football when it really matters.

                Fields to me is a running QB. Until proven otherwise, that's really his best skill. He's got a rocket arm without the touch required for all the NFL passes. He reminds me of Kordell. He can throw accurately to a stationary target. But lacks the touch and accuracy to hit moving targets in all the NFL routes.

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                • feltdizz
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                  • May 2008
                  • 27532

                  #9
                  Originally posted by T.Ferguson
                  I'll be honest and I like Hurts, he's a good guy, but I didn't think he looked good most of the game. His stats were really good and I'm glad he won the SB but a lot of his passes were late and underthrown, his arm strength is a little questionable.

                  I think this is a case of a team being so loaded and so well coached that it carried some questionable QB play. The Eagles defense should've won MVP tbh, if not them then the Eagles O-line because they gave Hurts an eon to throw the ball on almost every pass.

                  I knew right away that the Chiefs were in trouble when Hurts was just sitting back there with all the time in the world. Compare that to the Bills game where Allen barely had any time to throw it on most plays. Big impact on QB play.
                  Are you sure you were watching the SB last night?

                  Hurts was 17 of 22 with a rating of 119 and even his INT wasn’t that bad since it pinned them inside the 5.

                  Hurts played a great game.
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                  • WindyCitySteel
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                    • Nov 2011
                    • 15684

                    #10
                    Originally posted by feltdizz

                    Are you sure you were watching the SB last night?

                    Hurts was 17 of 22 with a rating of 119 and even his INT wasn’t that bad since it pinned them inside the 5.

                    Hurts played a great game.
                    Up 7-0 in FG range, the INT was bad. He was good, the DL was the MVP, tho.

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                    • feltdizz
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                      • May 2008
                      • 27532

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Eich
                      I've always thought that any decent QB CAN win the Super Bowl. Look at Nick Foles. Look at Trent Dilfer. If you have the supporting cast, you can do it. Even Hurts said last night, that defense wins super bowls. That was very much true yesterday, even though he won MVP. That defense just humiliated KC into submission. It wasn't even as "close" as the lopsided score showed. I've NEVER seen Mahomes so uncomfortable for a full 60 minutes of game play. The Eagles won that game in the trenches, with a very good supporting cast all around.

                      What I've also always said is that I don't want a QB who's best (or worse... ONLY) skill is running. I've defined a "Running QB" as a QB who's first instinct is to run and who lacks the ability to make all the throws. Hurts is better than that. The dude can throw the ball and throw it well. He just doesn't throw it often, because he doesn't need to. The Eagles are built to play a different game.

                      In the beginning of his career, I thought Lamar was going to be a "running QB". But he's proven he can throw the ball and throw it extremely well. The only thing he hasn't proven yet, is that he can play mistake-free football when it really matters.

                      Fields to me is a running QB. Until proven otherwise, that's really his best skill. He's got a rocket arm without the touch required for all the NFL passes. He reminds me of Kordell. He can throw accurately to a stationary target. But lacks the touch and accuracy to hit moving targets in all the NFL routes.
                      No.. just no. What you are describing is a bad QB, not a running QB.

                      To say that certain QB’s are running QB’s until they win a SB or have success is exactly what NB is joking about.

                      After Cam lost and Kap lost the doubters said “see.. they cant win.

                      and as soon as Hurts wins a SB its “well, he cam actually pass the football. Most of these “running QB’s” can pass the football.

                      Fields isn’t the best passer but he was 4-2 with us and before that he played for Chicago so was he really a running QB or was he just on a bad team?

                      What you are doing is defining running QB’s as unsuccessful but as soon as they have success they are no longer running QB’s. That some “tails I win, heads you lose” type thinking Eich.

                      If a QB you defined as running wins a SB or MVP or proves they are decent passers it means you were wrong about defining them as such or wrong about saying they can’t have success.
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                      • feltdizz
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                        • May 2008
                        • 27532

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                        Come on Felt. You know how this works.

                        It's not possible for a running QB to win a SB.

                        Hurts has won a SB.

                        Therefore he is not a running QB (anymore).
                        yup, the spin is hilarious.

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                        • WindyCitySteel
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                          • Nov 2011
                          • 15684

                          #13
                          Originally posted by feltdizz

                          yup, the spin is hilarious.
                          You were the one spinning an INT in FG range only up 7-0 was not a bad play. At the time it most certainly was.

                          And is it not spin to suggest that when something happens for the first time in 59 tries that it’s the future of the game?

                          I’ll hang up and listen.

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                          • Prowler
                            Pro Bowler
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 1837

                            #14
                            Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                            And we passed on drafting Hurts so we could take Chase Claypool instead.
                            Ouch, that is brutal.








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                            • feltdizz
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 27532

                              #15
                              Originally posted by WindyCitySteel

                              You were the one spinning an INT in FG range only up 7-0 was not a bad play. At the time it most certainly was.

                              And is it not spin to suggest that when something happens for the first time in 59 tries that it’s the future of the game?

                              I’ll hang up and listen.
                              I said the interception wasn’t “that bad” since it pinned them inside the 5.

                              and when did I say they were the future of the game? I said they could win a SB when some said it would never happen.

                              and its hilarious you are trying this spin when all damn year you have been bashing Tomlin for not sticking with Fields because he is duel threat and more “athletic” than Russ.



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